Do Drunk Elves Sleep


Lost Omens Campaign Setting General Discussion


I know that in the core rulebook theres nothing about elves meditating to refresh themselves every day. yet in elves of golarion it states that elves only need 4 hours of meditation.

in my current game group we are using this rule, and this question is for those players/gms that use the meditation rule.

currently im playing an elf gunslinger and i have given the character a mild addiction to alcohol. i was wondering, if he gets ridiculous drunk, does he pass out like normal humanoids do?

i can see both sides of this. if you knock an elf below 0 hit points, he falls unconscious, not into a meditative state.

but at the same time one could argue that alcohol could give a sleep effect, although non magical.

either way i think itd be funny to either one, find an elf passed out drunk and people ask "is that even possible?"

or to have my elf, who is trying to act less elf like and more human like, keep trying to pass out drunk and gets frustrated because he cant seem to get to this "enlightened" state like humans can.


Elves of Golarion is obsolete. Elves no longer meditate. They sleep normally.


He can pass out if you want him to, and if your DM isn't a tool.


Elves of Golarion is a 3.5 book, not PF :)


All humanoids sleep per the Advanced Race Guide.


Ooh, I missed that. Good to know.

Also, best thread title in awhile.


I knoe that elves of golarion is 3.5 but we still ude it for cannon material, seeing as how the advanced race guide is not golarion specific. so we count it as elves do still meditate in golarion. they are aliens anyways. thats why i said for people who still use this rule.


Elves in the Pathfinder version of Golarion sleep. So it *was* canon at one point, but not anymore.

But I guess you did say if you use that rule...

Not all "being unconscious" is being asleep, but being asleep is being unconscious.

I think. Even if it's not true, it's a nice little platitude that solves the issues <_<


sleeping is not the same as passing out.
They will probably have a hangover after medition, and they will pass out like any other person.
I mean they do pass out at -1 HP or if at 0 ability score (except con) so there is precedence for that.


When we played 3.5, elves COULD sleep, but did not require it. Some chose to do so because they enjoyed dreaming.

That wasn't taken from any source I'm aware of, just a role playing conclusion we came to when one of our players wanted her elf to take a nap.

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Yup; elves not sleeping at all is a specific Forgotten Realms convention, and as such isn't open content.

Furthermore, I've always thought that elves not sleeping was a pretty silly idea, especially considering the fact that their society and maps of their houses and everything else implies that they do sleep normally, like humans.

Elves in Pathfinder sleep.


James Jacobs wrote:

Yup; elves not sleeping at all is a specific Forgotten Realms convention, and as such isn't open content.

Furthermore, I've always thought that elves not sleeping was a pretty silly idea, especially considering the fact that their society and maps of their houses and everything else implies that they do sleep normally, like humans.

Elves in Pathfinder sleep.

I'm pretty sure the idea of elves not sleeping goes back farther than Forgotten Realms. The 3.5 rules used Greyhawk as the "default" setting and elves didn't sleep in those.

Going farther back, I'm almost certain that elves in Tolkien's Middle Earth didn't sleep.

As to the OP... the passing out caused by drunkeness isn't sleep, it's basically like poisoning your brain. So I'd say that if (for example) drow poison works on elves, then so does alcohol.

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James Jacobs wrote:

Yup; elves not sleeping at all is a specific Forgotten Realms convention, and as such isn't open content.

Furthermore, I've always thought that elves not sleeping was a pretty silly idea, especially considering the fact that their society and maps of their houses and everything else implies that they do sleep normally, like humans.

Elves in Pathfinder sleep.

James,

Just because I am way too into precise truth. While the SRD does indeed contain no mention of Elves not sleeping. The 3.5 Player's Handbook does, so it was not a Forgotten Realms only thing. Still not part of open content either way.

That said, I always liked elves not sleeping, though I am very much in a small crowd among my friends on that score. I always felt it added to their otherworldly feel.

None of this is meant to contradict the main point of your message. :)

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To the OP, unconsciousness is not sleep. Therefore Elves, regardless of whether they sleep can still fall unconscious from alcohol.

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graywulfe wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

Yup; elves not sleeping at all is a specific Forgotten Realms convention, and as such isn't open content.

Furthermore, I've always thought that elves not sleeping was a pretty silly idea, especially considering the fact that their society and maps of their houses and everything else implies that they do sleep normally, like humans.

Elves in Pathfinder sleep.

James,

Just because I am way too into precise truth. While the SRD does indeed contain no mention of Elves not sleeping. The 3.5 Player's Handbook does, so it was not a Forgotten Realms only thing. Still not part of open content either way.

That said, I always liked elves not sleeping, though I am very much in a small crowd among my friends on that score. I always felt it added to their otherworldly feel.

None of this is meant to contradict the main point of your message. :)

In retrospect my use of the word truth above could be interpreted to mean that I was implying that James was lying. That was not my intention. I simply meant that he was not precisely correct in his statement that Elves not sleeping was a Forgotten Realms thing. I apologize to anyone who may have been insulted by my statement.


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Okay, I have to ask...

Does anyone else reading the thread title automatically think the line, "Do drunk elves dream of electric sheep?"


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+1 on the idea that elves can get drunk (alcohol is technically a poison), and therefore can pass out (poison-induced unconsciousness).

In my home campaign, elves only need to sleep for four hours to get the equivalent of an eight-hour rest for humans, etc. But no open-eyed meditation, though!

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