paizo.com Recent Posts in Whetstones on arrows?paizo.com Recent Posts in Whetstones on arrows?2017-06-25T08:29:00Z2017-06-25T08:29:00ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Cavallhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#932018-07-02T12:46:32Z2018-07-02T12:46:32Z<p>It would multiply on a crit. It would stack with the strength bonus of a composite bow. And once you got either a magic bow or magic arrow, the bonus would not stack as it is enhancement.</p>
<p>I allow it. So does my GM when I'm not running. And have my dwarf sharpen arrows while on watch with his pet, or when people are talking. It's a nice rolepaying trait.
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He's no archer but the bard is, and appreciates a nice gift. Dwarves show their love by crafting.</p>It would multiply on a crit. It would stack with the strength bonus of a composite bow. And once you got either a magic bow or magic arrow, the bonus would not stack as it is enhancement.
I allow it. So does my GM when I'm not running. And have my dwarf sharpen arrows while on watch with his pet, or when people are talking. It's a nice rolepaying trait.
He's no archer but the bard is, and appreciates a nice gift. Dwarves show their love by crafting.Cavall2018-07-02T12:46:32ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?LuckOliverhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#922018-07-02T08:38:12Z2018-07-02T08:34:35Z<p>Would this +1 damage bonus be efected by critical hits, on a sword or arrow? And if aplied to arrows would it stack with composite bows bonus damage?</p>Would this +1 damage bonus be efected by critical hits, on a sword or arrow? And if aplied to arrows would it stack with composite bows bonus damage?LuckOliver2018-07-02T08:34:35ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Cevahhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#912014-08-11T03:18:16Z2014-08-11T03:18:16Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Seraphimpunk wrote:</div><blockquote> its a 6 month rez, not the worst, but here's my take on why you shouldn't be allowed to sharpen ammunition. </blockquote><p>•raise thread•
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Seraphimpunk wrote:</div><blockquote><p> when crafting them, they'd be as sharp as the could be. they're new, its not like they're being re-used, or mass market manufactured by machines. they're individually crafted arrow heads for instance. </p>
<p>Since they're handmade, either the game would account for a craftsman who is already spending a day crafting arrows using the craft rules, to make them sharp and sharpen them himself. All arrow/bolt ammunition would already come with an inherent +1 untyped bonus to damage if that was possible. </blockquote><p>You are making an invalid assumption, namely the amount of time taken to craft the arrows.
<p>Per Craft rules, minimum DC to craft an arrow (not just the arrow head) is 12. If you have the least able crafter taking 10 to meet the DC, it works out to 11 minutes 40 seconds to make one arrow. [A better crafter takes less time.] Since the whetstone takes 15 minutes to apply, you are more than doubling the time to craft a sharpened arrow. That minimum crafter can make 41 arrows a day, or 18 sharpened arrows a day. A better crafter, making them at skill check of 20 makes 68 regular arrows or 21 sharpened arrows. The difference only gets worse, the better the crafter. [Skill check of 30: 102 regular vs. 24 sharpened.]</p>
<p>If you invest in the skills to make an arrow, then you can take the extra time. However, a shopkeeper is not going to take more than twice the time to make arrows just a little bit better, when for the same or less time, he can make twice the number of arrows and double (or triple or ...) his profit. This shopkeeper would also have to track which arrows were sharpened and which were not.</p>
<p>/cevah</p>Seraphimpunk wrote:its a 6 month rez, not the worst, but here's my take on why you shouldn't be allowed to sharpen ammunition.
*raise thread* Seraphimpunk wrote: when crafting them, they'd be as sharp as the could be. they're new, its not like they're being re-used, or mass market manufactured by machines. they're individually crafted arrow heads for instance.
Since they're handmade, either the game would account for a craftsman who is already spending a day crafting arrows using the craft...Cevah2014-08-11T03:18:16ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Matthew Downiehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#902014-01-09T11:12:36Z2014-01-09T11:12:36Z<p>Yes, if sharpening arrows (and shuriken) has a permanent effect and any random peasant, beggar or child, can sharpen about 50 a day, why would anyone with a gold piece to spare not buy all their arrows with +1 damage?</p>Yes, if sharpening arrows (and shuriken) has a permanent effect and any random peasant, beggar or child, can sharpen about 50 a day, why would anyone with a gold piece to spare not buy all their arrows with +1 damage?Matthew Downie2014-01-09T11:12:36ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Seraphimpunkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#892014-01-09T10:06:32Z2014-01-09T10:06:32Z<p>its a 6 month rez, not the worst, but here's my take on why you shouldn't be allowed to sharpen ammunition. </p>
<p>when crafting them, they'd be as sharp as the could be. they're new, its not like they're being re-used, or mass market manufactured by machines. they're individually crafted arrow heads for instance. </p>
<p>Since they're handmade, either the game would account for a craftsman who is already spending a day crafting arrows using the craft rules, to make them sharp and sharpen them himself. All arrow/bolt ammunition would already come with an inherent +1 untyped bonus to damage if that was possible. Or we can realize whetstones aren't intended for that, and can't be used on ammunition. Even at low levels, the enemies have plenty of downtime, and have access to the same arrows and whetstones. If enemies "sharpened" them all, players would cry foul. PCs would be taking more damage. But it would be insane _not_ to sharpen every arrow or bolt since its ammo, its a one time use buff on one time use ammo. Its not like once they sharpen them, they degrade over time, or the sharpening is only good for a day. The guy at the general store could pre-sharpen all his arrows before he sells them, so it wouldn't even take effort from adventurers to be more lethal. </p>
<p>Whetstones are already ridiculous: you sharpen a blade and its good until its taken one swing. arrows only ever get used once, they're ammunition ( which can be used as an improvised dagger yea. ) They have "whetstones" in world of warcraft, they're a nice minimal buff for blacksmiths, but they only work on blades as in bladed weapons, and they're a limited duration buff not a one time use buff. but you can't use them on arrows there either. </p>
<p>so rather than make every bladed piece of ammunition ( including shuriken ) sharpened, and change the base ranged piercing/slashing damage of the game, lets keep sharpening ammunition off the table. otherwise whats good for the goose is good for the gander, and statistically PCs will be getting shot at more than individual bad guys will. Hell, we don't want to see developers start placing sharpened spears in pit traps do we?</p>its a 6 month rez, not the worst, but here's my take on why you shouldn't be allowed to sharpen ammunition.
when crafting them, they'd be as sharp as the could be. they're new, its not like they're being re-used, or mass market manufactured by machines. they're individually crafted arrow heads for instance.
Since they're handmade, either the game would account for a craftsman who is already spending a day crafting arrows using the craft rules, to make them sharp and sharpen them himself....Seraphimpunk2014-01-09T10:06:32ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Talonhawkehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#882013-06-10T19:41:51Z2013-06-10T19:41:51Z<p>That was until recently how things were cleared from the FAQ list. More than likely it want answerd and a new thread clearly stating the question would be the best way to proceed.</p>That was until recently how things were cleared from the FAQ list. More than likely it want answerd and a new thread clearly stating the question would be the best way to proceed.Talonhawke2013-06-10T19:41:51ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Dexion1619https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#872013-06-10T07:28:39Z2013-06-10T07:28:39Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Avatar-1 wrote:</div><blockquote> Can anyone link where this topic was answered in the FAQ? </blockquote><p>Seriously.. I have to say that marking a thread as "Answered In FAQ" and not posting a link to WHERE it was answered in the FAQ just ticks me off. The FAQ is not all that small, or easy to search. If someone took the time to find this (as is implied by the "Answered in FAQ Tag"), then a simple link would be nice.Avatar-1 wrote:Can anyone link where this topic was answered in the FAQ?
Seriously.. I have to say that marking a thread as "Answered In FAQ" and not posting a link to WHERE it was answered in the FAQ just ticks me off. The FAQ is not all that small, or easy to search. If someone took the time to find this (as is implied by the "Answered in FAQ Tag"), then a simple link would be nice.Dexion16192013-06-10T07:28:39ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Rickmeisterhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#862013-06-10T07:28:03Z2013-06-10T07:28:03Z<p>I woudl say no, since I remember reading it was only for Slashing weapons. Don't remember where it was though.</p>
<p>And I would allow a character to have -one- sharpened weapon on his body, his iconic sword / dagger /...</p>
<p>If you want one REALLY sharp arrow, sure. But this is not RAW.</p>I woudl say no, since I remember reading it was only for Slashing weapons. Don't remember where it was though.
And I would allow a character to have -one- sharpened weapon on his body, his iconic sword / dagger /...
If you want one REALLY sharp arrow, sure. But this is not RAW.Rickmeister2013-06-10T07:28:03ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Ris Dnalor (alias of risdnalor)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#852013-06-10T06:42:54Z2013-06-10T06:42:54Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">gourry187 wrote:</div><blockquote> I say no as well but my reason from logic side is that arrows do piercing damage so they are not blades ... blades do slashing </blockquote><p>Your box is mighty small, step outside of it.
<p>A short sword does piercing damage as well. And it has a blade.</p>
<p>Sometimes it's about how the weapon is used instead of just how it is made.</p>gourry187 wrote:I say no as well but my reason from logic side is that arrows do piercing damage so they are not blades ... blades do slashing
Your box is mighty small, step outside of it. A short sword does piercing damage as well. And it has a blade.
Sometimes it's about how the weapon is used instead of just how it is made.Ris Dnalor (alias of risdnalor)2013-06-10T06:42:54ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Avatar-1https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#842013-06-09T23:19:03Z2013-06-09T23:19:03Z<p>Can anyone link where this topic was answered in the FAQ?</p>Can anyone link where this topic was answered in the FAQ?Avatar-12013-06-09T23:19:03ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?zylphryxhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#832012-08-27T14:38:00Z2012-08-27T14:38:00Z<p>Any which way this gets argued, the bottom line is it is a point of confusion and, while not a big deal for a home game (yes, I would allow it for a home game), it becomes problematic for organized play. PFS lives and dies by RAW, so a clarification for that front is really needed. </p>
<p>If you are posting in this thread and have not already marked the initial post for a FAQ candidate, please do so.</p>Any which way this gets argued, the bottom line is it is a point of confusion and, while not a big deal for a home game (yes, I would allow it for a home game), it becomes problematic for organized play. PFS lives and dies by RAW, so a clarification for that front is really needed.
If you are posting in this thread and have not already marked the initial post for a FAQ candidate, please do so.zylphryx2012-08-27T14:38:00ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Adamantine Dragon (alias of brassbaboon)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#822012-08-27T14:18:31Z2012-08-27T14:18:31Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Midnight_Angel wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Adamantine Dragon wrote:</div><blockquote>Of course if you apply this logically, then arrows that you find and reuse would take a -1 on their attack until you whetstoned them back up. Which would also be fine with me. </blockquote>Umm... whetstoning is about damage. Not attack. </blockquote><p>Right you are. Mental typo there. Thanks for clarifying. The suggestion still applies.Midnight_Angel wrote:Adamantine Dragon wrote:Of course if you apply this logically, then arrows that you find and reuse would take a -1 on their attack until you whetstoned them back up. Which would also be fine with me.
Umm... whetstoning is about damage. Not attack. Right you are. Mental typo there. Thanks for clarifying. The suggestion still applies.Adamantine Dragon (alias of brassbaboon)2012-08-27T14:18:31ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Adamantine Dragon (alias of brassbaboon)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#812012-08-27T14:17:19Z2012-08-27T14:17:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Talonhawke wrote:</div><blockquote> Only problem with that AD is that the blade of a sword is now some how not only less sharp thn the arrow but also magically doesn't blunt even if you never whetstone it. </blockquote><p>Not quite getting what you are saying. My suggestion is very simple, and only involves arrows (and perhaps crossbow bolts) and would not change whetstone use from RAW for any purpose. It's just a way to "explain" why whetstones don't improve arrows or bolts. That's all.
<p>I've got no desire to debate, defend or exhaustively explain it. It was a simple suggestion for a fast and plausible way for a GM to stick to RAW.</p>
<p>That's all.</p>Talonhawke wrote:Only problem with that AD is that the blade of a sword is now some how not only less sharp thn the arrow but also magically doesn't blunt even if you never whetstone it.
Not quite getting what you are saying. My suggestion is very simple, and only involves arrows (and perhaps crossbow bolts) and would not change whetstone use from RAW for any purpose. It's just a way to "explain" why whetstones don't improve arrows or bolts. That's all. I've got no desire to debate, defend...Adamantine Dragon (alias of brassbaboon)2012-08-27T14:17:19ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Midnight_Angelhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#802012-08-27T12:58:22Z2012-08-27T12:58:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Adamantine Dragon wrote:</div><blockquote>Of course if you apply this logically, then arrows that you find and reuse would take a -1 on their attack until you whetstoned them back up. Which would also be fine with me. </blockquote><p>Umm... whetstoning is about damage. Not attack.Adamantine Dragon wrote:Of course if you apply this logically, then arrows that you find and reuse would take a -1 on their attack until you whetstoned them back up. Which would also be fine with me.
Umm... whetstoning is about damage. Not attack.Midnight_Angel2012-08-27T12:58:22ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Talonhawkehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#792012-08-27T11:26:39Z2012-08-27T11:26:39Z<p>Only problem with that AD is that the blade of a sword is now some how not only less sharp thn the arrow but also magically doesn't blunt even if you never whetstone it.</p>Only problem with that AD is that the blade of a sword is now some how not only less sharp thn the arrow but also magically doesn't blunt even if you never whetstone it.Talonhawke2012-08-27T11:26:39ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Adamantine Dragon (alias of brassbaboon)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#782012-08-27T10:29:17Z2012-08-27T05:51:32Z<p>One way for a GM to settle this is to rule that arrows are already razor sharp and so whetstones don't improve them. Blades get dull and dented with use, but arrows typically are one-use items and are made as sharp as you can get them with a whetstone. That's actually pretty true in a real-world sense. If you buy a broad-bladed arrow, it's pretty much razor sharp already.</p>
<p>Of course if you apply this logically, then arrows that you find and reuse would take a -1 on their attack until you whetstoned them back up. Which would also be fine with me.</p>One way for a GM to settle this is to rule that arrows are already razor sharp and so whetstones don't improve them. Blades get dull and dented with use, but arrows typically are one-use items and are made as sharp as you can get them with a whetstone. That's actually pretty true in a real-world sense. If you buy a broad-bladed arrow, it's pretty much razor sharp already.
Of course if you apply this logically, then arrows that you find and reuse would take a -1 on their attack until you...Adamantine Dragon (alias of brassbaboon)2012-08-27T05:51:32ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?DraeykeSmite93https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#772012-08-27T05:26:41Z2012-08-27T05:26:41Z<p>Wow. This is weird. Um, real world physics and game mechanics. Wow. This is a bizarre argument. So what exactly is a chef's steel? It's a long whetstone. It can sharpen chef's knives, butcher's knives and even your salad fork. And I believe that after fifteen minutes of work you can have perfectly sharpened ammunition (shuriken, crossbow bolts, arrows, or even a scorpion whip) as per the ammunition count listed in the equipment tables. I've only seen razor sharp broadheads and the not-for-killing target arrows at sporting goods stores. The arrows of Pathfinder, which are based on the real world arrows in common use in the year 1205a.d. (and 983a.d. and 756b.c. etcetera) CAN ALL BE FREAKIN' SHARPENED!!!! Geeze. And you can keep them in your quiver without losing the +1 damage advantage. Does anybody know of a new 1st level character who doesn't have the rich parents trait that can afford a composite longbow(+1str)? I've never seen one.</p>Wow. This is weird. Um, real world physics and game mechanics. Wow. This is a bizarre argument. So what exactly is a chef's steel? It's a long whetstone. It can sharpen chef's knives, butcher's knives and even your salad fork. And I believe that after fifteen minutes of work you can have perfectly sharpened ammunition (shuriken, crossbow bolts, arrows, or even a scorpion whip) as per the ammunition count listed in the equipment tables. I've only seen razor sharp broadheads and the...DraeykeSmite932012-08-27T05:26:41ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?MacFetus (alias of McFetus)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#762014-01-09T12:36:31Z2012-08-26T11:05:40Z<p>The only thing this thread accomplishes is to tell me who's game to avoid playing in.</p>The only thing this thread accomplishes is to tell me who's game to avoid playing in.MacFetus (alias of McFetus)2012-08-26T11:05:40ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?stringburkahttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#752012-08-24T23:28:32Z2012-08-24T23:28:32Z<p>Arrows, and anything else, can be used as an improvised weapon.
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<div class="messageboard-quotee">PRD wrote:</div><blockquote>Improvised Weapons: Sometimes objects not crafted to be weapons nonetheless see use in combat. Because such objects are not designed for this use, any creature that uses an improvised weapon in combat is considered to be nonproficient with it and takes a –4 penalty on attack rolls made with that object. To determine the size category and appropriate damage for an improvised weapon, compare its relative size and damage potential to the weapon list to find a reasonable match. An improvised weapon scores a threat on a natural roll of 20 and deals double damage on a critical hit. An improvised thrown weapon has a range increment of 10 feet.</blockquote><p>Now, there are two basic stances one could take from this.
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1. Improvised weapons are weapons. Heck, it's literally in their name! It refers to "weapon" over and over in the description, and gives them characteristics that assume they are weapons (size, damage, nonproficiency penalties).
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2. Improvised weapons are not weapons. It is noted in the description that these are "not crafted to be weapons", hence they should not be regarded as weapons but as something else that may be used to make attacks and that just has an unfortunate name.</p>
<p>Either interpretation has issues.</p>
<p>The first interpretation means that you can indeed sharpen arrows (assuming their tip is seen as a blade), but far more confusing, it means that nearly any object can be used with Quick Draw, despite Quick Draw specifically having this line: "Alchemical items, potions, scrolls, and wands cannot be drawn quickly using this feat". So you could draw a an elixir of cure light wounds (as an improvised weapon) but not a potion of cure light wounds. This of course makes no sense.</p>
<p>The second interpretation carries a whole LOT of problems; many basic rules won't work at all on improvised weapons that you think would.
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For example, you would gain NO strength modifier on damage with improvised weapons:
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"Strength Bonus: When you hit with a melee or thrown weapon, including a sling, add your Strength modifier to the damage result."</p>
<p>I think it's fair to assume that improvised weapons should be treated as weapons unless otherwise noted, and simply assume that when the rules don't take this into account (such as wetstone and quickdraw) we'll have to make a judgement call based on balance, logic, and if any, show of intent.</p>Arrows, and anything else, can be used as an improvised weapon.
PRD wrote:Improvised Weapons: Sometimes objects not crafted to be weapons nonetheless see use in combat. Because such objects are not designed for this use, any creature that uses an improvised weapon in combat is considered to be nonproficient with it and takes a –4 penalty on attack rolls made with that object. To determine the size category and appropriate damage for an improvised weapon, compare its relative size and damage...stringburka2012-08-24T23:28:32ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?dinketryhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#742012-08-27T15:52:38Z2012-08-24T16:25:25Z<p>Here's my take on this (surprisingly) fire-starting issue...</p>
<p>Whetstones work on blades because they increase the hone of the blade, thus providing a +1 to damage. This +1 is only applicable to the first time the weapon is used after the blade is sharpened.</p>
<p>Arrows are stored in a quiver when not in use. Point down. Usually crammed together. I think that extra hone to the "blade" of an arrow would be damaged by the cramped storage of the arrowheads on top of one another, jostling about in a quiver.</p>
<p>A quiver with an extradimensional space (a la an efficient quiver) might be able to hold arrows that would hold their extra damage bonus after whetstone use. I would also rule that any arrow that was honed and then kept out (maybe notched in a bow ready to be fired) also could be treated as described by the whetstone.</p>
<p>Otherwise, I would try to advise a player to invest in a composite bow in order to get extra damage.</p>
<p>-Dink</p>Here's my take on this (surprisingly) fire-starting issue...
Whetstones work on blades because they increase the hone of the blade, thus providing a +1 to damage. This +1 is only applicable to the first time the weapon is used after the blade is sharpened.
Arrows are stored in a quiver when not in use. Point down. Usually crammed together. I think that extra hone to the "blade" of an arrow would be damaged by the cramped storage of the arrowheads on top of one another, jostling about in a...dinketry2012-08-24T16:25:25ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Foghammerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#732017-06-25T08:29:00Z2012-08-24T00:19:05Z<p>Ammunition is listed under weapons. It is in the same list as reach weapons and double weapons.</p>
<p>If those qualify as weapons, then the ammunition for any given projectile launcher qualifies as a weapon. They are lumped together in the same RAW that you are citing. There are special rules for making ammunition masterwork and for enhancing it because making a single disposable weapon cost the same as a non-disposable weapon is insane. It's going to break when it's used.</p>
<p>We're just repeating ourselves, now.</p>
<p>I've clicked the FAQ button. I suggest everyone else do the same.</p>Ammunition is listed under weapons. It is in the same list as reach weapons and double weapons.
If those qualify as weapons, then the ammunition for any given projectile launcher qualifies as a weapon. They are lumped together in the same RAW that you are citing. There are special rules for making ammunition masterwork and for enhancing it because making a single disposable weapon cost the same as a non-disposable weapon is insane. It's going to break when it's used.
We're just repeating...Foghammer2012-08-24T00:19:05ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Digitalelfhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#722012-08-27T12:55:23Z2012-08-23T21:50:01Z<p>This is yet one more reason I prefer 2nd edition...</p>
<p>On the equipment list, the bow itself lists no damage. It's the arrows that have the damage listed (which also opened things up for different types of arrows that did different amounts of damage - which is much more realistic IMO)...</p>
<p>This was also true for crossbows, slings, and darts...</p>
<p>A good majority of the RAW in Pathfinder are just rules imported directly from 3rd edition, and 3rd edition did away with a lot of these "minor" rules just to simplify and streamline the game (e.g. unfortunately it's much easier to say that your character simply has 25 arrows instead of saying that he has 10 sheaf arrow and 15 flight arrows and remembering what arrow does what amount of damage)...</p>
<p>And (IMO) the game has suffered from this over simplification of the rules; and it is arguments such as this one (logic vs. RAW) that highlight this aspect the most...</p>
<p>YMMV and all that...</p>This is yet one more reason I prefer 2nd edition...
On the equipment list, the bow itself lists no damage. It's the arrows that have the damage listed (which also opened things up for different types of arrows that did different amounts of damage - which is much more realistic IMO)...
This was also true for crossbows, slings, and darts...
A good majority of the RAW in Pathfinder are just rules imported directly from 3rd edition, and 3rd edition did away with a lot of these "minor" rules...Digitalelf2012-08-23T21:50:01ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Adamantine Dragon (alias of brassbaboon)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#712012-08-23T21:17:25Z2012-08-23T21:17:25Z<p>Several ways to adjudicate this either way. I always try to us game balance. Since I believe it doesn't unbalance the game, I would allow it. But it would take a looong time to sharpen a score or more arrows.</p>Several ways to adjudicate this either way. I always try to us game balance. Since I believe it doesn't unbalance the game, I would allow it. But it would take a looong time to sharpen a score or more arrows.Adamantine Dragon (alias of brassbaboon)2012-08-23T21:17:25ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Malag (alias of Adam Mataja)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#702012-08-23T20:27:57Z2012-08-23T20:27:57Z<p>That's true. I can imagine every player already buying whetstone for few coppers and claiming he has sharpened arrows already. It's a bit cheap tactic, especially in PFS.</p>That's true. I can imagine every player already buying whetstone for few coppers and claiming he has sharpened arrows already. It's a bit cheap tactic, especially in PFS.Malag (alias of Adam Mataja)2012-08-23T20:27:57ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: Whetstones on arrows?Hjolmaerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opxb&page=2?Whetstones-on-arrows#692012-08-23T20:19:08Z2012-08-23T20:19:08Z<p>Yeah, makes sense. Not familiar with PFS, so I had no idea how such disputes were handled. Now I'll know if I ever find a PFS game.</p>Yeah, makes sense. Not familiar with PFS, so I had no idea how such disputes were handled. Now I'll know if I ever find a PFS game.Hjolmaer2012-08-23T20:19:08Z