paizo.com Recent Posts in Stonelord Paladin Help and Ideaspaizo.com Recent Posts in Stonelord Paladin Help and Ideas2012-11-05T00:13:27Z2012-11-05T00:13:27ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasUmbranushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#372012-11-04T20:10:11Z2012-11-04T20:10:11Z<p>As the stonelord and the variant channeling both change channel energy I would have thought hat they are not compatible.</p>As the stonelord and the variant channeling both change channel energy I would have thought hat they are not compatible.Umbranus2012-11-04T20:10:11ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasMuserhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#362012-11-04T18:06:50Z2012-11-04T18:06:50Z<p>There's no action listed for that so we have to assume it's a free action. Your GM's mileage may vary.</p>
<p>Bullrushing does not need a weapon and indeed can't be done with a weapon, since it's a standard and not an attack action unless you pick Quick Bullrush or do it through a charge(debatable).</p>
<p>I got a stonelord paladin with a dwarven longaxe that I really would like to play one day, but he's for PFS, so some longer feat trees are out of the question, unfortunately.</p>There's no action listed for that so we have to assume it's a free action. Your GM's mileage may vary.
Bullrushing does not need a weapon and indeed can't be done with a weapon, since it's a standard and not an attack action unless you pick Quick Bullrush or do it through a charge(debatable).
I got a stonelord paladin with a dwarven longaxe that I really would like to play one day, but he's for PFS, so some longer feat trees are out of the question, unfortunately.Muser2012-11-04T18:06:50ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasTrynhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#352012-11-04T13:38:25Z2012-11-04T13:38:25Z<p>I think the Variant Earth Channeling is a good choise for Such a Charakter. Moving next to the caster/ranged, lay down difficult terrain, no f••cking "5ft. Step & cast/shoot" anymore :D
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Also it allows you to close narrow corridors much more easy. take a position in it, earth shatter, defense stance, wait for the enemy melees to close in :D</p>
<p>Also for a Polearm Stonelord Impr. Bull Rush is an intressting Idea. If a enemy closing in, bull rush him with you (spiked) Gauntler and put him back into yours polearm reach :D</p>
<p>P.S.: What action is it to loose a hand from a 2H Weapon and what to re-grip it?</p>I think the Variant Earth Channeling is a good choise for Such a Charakter. Moving next to the caster/ranged, lay down difficult terrain, no f**cking "5ft. Step & cast/shoot" anymore :D
Also it allows you to close narrow corridors much more easy. take a position in it, earth shatter, defense stance, wait for the enemy melees to close in :D
Also for a Polearm Stonelord Impr. Bull Rush is an intressting Idea. If a enemy closing in, bull rush him with you (spiked) Gauntler and put him back into...Tryn2012-11-04T13:38:25ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasSlacker2010https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#342012-08-24T15:28:58Z2012-08-24T15:28:58Z<p>Was looking for tank ideas, when I came across this thread. I do like the bodyguard and In Harm's Way feats. Is their something farther down the line? Some way to take the attack vs your ac? Seams taking Dmg reguardless of your AC is a fast track to bad things.</p>Was looking for tank ideas, when I came across this thread. I do like the bodyguard and In Harm's Way feats. Is their something farther down the line? Some way to take the attack vs your ac? Seams taking Dmg reguardless of your AC is a fast track to bad things.Slacker20102012-08-24T15:28:58ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasBalrick Granitefist (alias of ub3r_n3rd)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#332012-08-23T19:13:16Z2012-08-23T19:13:16Z<p>I'm seriously thinking about taking that one too, it should make a stonelord a great tank in regards to AC AND saving throws against spells. </p>
<p>Another couple of feats that I'm taking are Lunge for the extra 5 ft of reach (15 ft reach w/ Dorn-Dergar) and Combat Reflexes. I have a pretty high DEX so I'll get 4 AoOs per round, good boost to AC, good boost to Reflex saves, and a bit better initiative bonus of course.</p>I'm seriously thinking about taking that one too, it should make a stonelord a great tank in regards to AC AND saving throws against spells.
Another couple of feats that I'm taking are Lunge for the extra 5 ft of reach (15 ft reach w/ Dorn-Dergar) and Combat Reflexes. I have a pretty high DEX so I'll get 4 AoOs per round, good boost to AC, good boost to Reflex saves, and a bit better initiative bonus of course.Balrick Granitefist (alias of ub3r_n3rd)2012-08-23T19:13:16ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasMichael Sayre (Design Manager)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#322012-08-23T19:13:11Z2012-08-23T19:13:11Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Jackissocool wrote:</div><blockquote> What about the Steel Soul feat? It seems like a no-brainer. </blockquote><p>Steel Soul is good, but you do have a pretty tight feat selection, especially if you're still considering the TWF tree. Make sure the +2 bump is worth it over the course of play.Jackissocool wrote:What about the Steel Soul feat? It seems like a no-brainer.
Steel Soul is good, but you do have a pretty tight feat selection, especially if you're still considering the TWF tree. Make sure the +2 bump is worth it over the course of play.Michael Sayre (Design Manager)2012-08-23T19:13:11ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasJackissocoolhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#312012-08-23T19:03:37Z2012-08-23T19:03:37Z<p>What about the Steel Soul feat? It seems like a no-brainer.</p>What about the Steel Soul feat? It seems like a no-brainer.Jackissocool2012-08-23T19:03:37ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasBalrick Granitefist (alias of ub3r_n3rd)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#302012-08-23T18:07:02Z2012-08-23T18:07:02Z<p>I like FF as well because then you don't worry about the penalties for Power Attack with your first swing, giving you a better chance to hit is always nice.</p>
<p>I've got another character in a home-brew who I was thinking about doing the bull-rush stuff with (all the way up to awesome blow - with plans to use enlarge to get it), but the problem I see with it is at higher levels you are facing things with such extreme CMD, which includes extra legs and size, that bull-rushing may be really hard to do, then you also run into creatures that fly and you can't bull-rush or trip so I've been re-thinking anything that deals with Combat Maneuvers all together. The main reason I wanted to do bull-rushing was for flavor as I can imagine a very large barbarian charging into combat and tossing aside everyone while deep into his rage.</p>
<p>Antagonize used to make it so everyone who failed had to engage you in melee, now if they have a ranged weapon or spells they can just attack you from where they are standing. Some said it used to be way over-powered and cheesy, which I can see if the wizard has to run to his death at your sword-point.</p>I like FF as well because then you don't worry about the penalties for Power Attack with your first swing, giving you a better chance to hit is always nice.
I've got another character in a home-brew who I was thinking about doing the bull-rush stuff with (all the way up to awesome blow - with plans to use enlarge to get it), but the problem I see with it is at higher levels you are facing things with such extreme CMD, which includes extra legs and size, that bull-rushing may be really hard...Balrick Granitefist (alias of ub3r_n3rd)2012-08-23T18:07:02ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasJackissocoolhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#292012-08-23T17:36:16Z2012-08-23T17:36:16Z<p>So no cleave, or at least probably no cleave. Furious focus is always a good choice, so I'll take that. I'll also take improved bullrush, and maybe greater bull rush and quick bull rush later on. Greater could be really good, because when an enemy gets adjacent, I bull rush them away, into reach of my longaxe, and possibly back out again, provoking an AoO.
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I was considering antagonize. How is it different now?</p>So no cleave, or at least probably no cleave. Furious focus is always a good choice, so I'll take that. I'll also take improved bullrush, and maybe greater bull rush and quick bull rush later on. Greater could be really good, because when an enemy gets adjacent, I bull rush them away, into reach of my longaxe, and possibly back out again, provoking an AoO.
I was considering antagonize. How is it different now?Jackissocool2012-08-23T17:36:16ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasBalrick Granitefist (alias of ub3r_n3rd)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#282012-08-23T16:46:42Z2012-08-23T16:46:42Z<p>I agree that though Antagonize sounds like it might be a cool thing to do, it's very situational. I won't be taking it in my game because I'm going to be playing in the Carrion Crown AP in September and mindless undead won't be affected by it to come attack me.</p>
<p>As far as cleave goes it's another of those situational feats. It's great for taking out a lot of mooks/minions/fodder, so it's really good for lower levels (but gets worse over time as you level), but my thinking is that if you can hit the bigger guys harder and have them focus on you, that is the way to go. The well-placed fireball or other AOE spell from your friends should take the little guys out faster and you can concentrate on absorbing the attention of the one's that actually hit hard(er).</p>
<p>Cleave is better for fighters who can swap out their combat feats at levels 4/8/12/16/20 to upgrade into things that are stronger against the bigger baddies.</p>
<p>I'm currently still debating on whether to grab the TWF/Shield Bashing stuff for my character later on or a couple of feats that up my defense more, while I have solidly decided on using the Dorn-Dergar weapon.</p>I agree that though Antagonize sounds like it might be a cool thing to do, it's very situational. I won't be taking it in my game because I'm going to be playing in the Carrion Crown AP in September and mindless undead won't be affected by it to come attack me.
As far as cleave goes it's another of those situational feats. It's great for taking out a lot of mooks/minions/fodder, so it's really good for lower levels (but gets worse over time as you level), but my thinking is that if you can...Balrick Granitefist (alias of ub3r_n3rd)2012-08-23T16:46:42ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and Ideasblackbloodtrollhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#272012-08-23T11:05:20Z2012-08-23T11:05:20Z<p>Errata'd Antagonize is weak.</p>Errata'd Antagonize is weak.blackbloodtroll2012-08-23T11:05:20ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasAsteldian Caliskanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#262012-08-23T09:47:06Z2012-08-23T09:47:06Z<p>Take the Feat Antagonize and the Trait that makes Intimidate a class skill for you and a bonus +1 to it (this avoids needing too high a cha). The Antagonize Feat will allow you to do your tanky stuff without moving as you bully the enemy to come to you</p>Take the Feat Antagonize and the Trait that makes Intimidate a class skill for you and a bonus +1 to it (this avoids needing too high a cha). The Antagonize Feat will allow you to do your tanky stuff without moving as you bully the enemy to come to youAsteldian Caliskan2012-08-23T09:47:06ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasJackissocoolhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#252012-08-23T01:04:35Z2012-08-23T01:04:35Z<p>I think I'll go with bravery. Any answers to my cleave queries form before?</p>I think I'll go with bravery. Any answers to my cleave queries form before?Jackissocool2012-08-23T01:04:35ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasBalrick Granitefist (alias of ub3r_n3rd)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#242012-08-22T22:56:47Z2012-08-22T22:56:47Z<p>For my build, I'm going with protection. It's a matter of personal preference. I don't think any are the "best," so go with what would help you out with your build.</p>For my build, I'm going with protection. It's a matter of personal preference. I don't think any are the "best," so go with what would help you out with your build.Balrick Granitefist (alias of ub3r_n3rd)2012-08-22T22:56:47ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasJackissocoolhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#232012-08-22T22:50:46Z2012-08-22T22:50:46Z<p>So back to variant channeling! I like the ability to make difficult terrain with Earth, it gives me a use for when I don't have my elemental with me, and is probably the only good one for harm. But the heal is useless, because my elemental already has DR/-. My other choices that I like are Protection, Law, and Bravery. Of these four, which is best?</p>So back to variant channeling! I like the ability to make difficult terrain with Earth, it gives me a use for when I don't have my elemental with me, and is probably the only good one for harm. But the heal is useless, because my elemental already has DR/-. My other choices that I like are Protection, Law, and Bravery. Of these four, which is best?Jackissocool2012-08-22T22:50:46ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasBalrick Granitefist (alias of ub3r_n3rd)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#222012-08-22T22:34:50Z2012-08-22T22:34:50Z<p>Yup just buy the party some CLW wands if you want to contribute to healing. Otherwise the fact that you are taking the hits = healing of the party instead of them getting killed.</p>Yup just buy the party some CLW wands if you want to contribute to healing. Otherwise the fact that you are taking the hits = healing of the party instead of them getting killed.Balrick Granitefist (alias of ub3r_n3rd)2012-08-22T22:34:50ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasJackissocoolhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#212012-08-22T22:28:32Z2012-08-22T22:28:32Z<p>Alright, I suppose you're right. I'll avoid the LoH stuff. We've got a bard or two, so we should be fine.</p>Alright, I suppose you're right. I'll avoid the LoH stuff. We've got a bard or two, so we should be fine.Jackissocool2012-08-22T22:28:32ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasBalrick Granitefist (alias of ub3r_n3rd)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#202012-08-22T22:07:56Z2012-08-22T22:07:56Z<p>Honestly I'd not even dip into the extra LOH feats or anything of the kind to up your healing. You said it yourself that you are there to take the hits. You'll be rather feat starved as it is because you will want to take things to boost your defense and allow you to keep the enemies on you rather than your party. Don't worry about the healing stuff, leave that up to the others to take care of. If you were a normal paladin, then go for added stuff to aid in healing, but as this particular archetype you are absolutely not geared to do it. Again, play to your characters strengths otherwise you will gimp yourself in the end and make a character that tries to do too many things and isn't able to do what he's supposed to very well.</p>Honestly I'd not even dip into the extra LOH feats or anything of the kind to up your healing. You said it yourself that you are there to take the hits. You'll be rather feat starved as it is because you will want to take things to boost your defense and allow you to keep the enemies on you rather than your party. Don't worry about the healing stuff, leave that up to the others to take care of. If you were a normal paladin, then go for added stuff to aid in healing, but as this particular...Balrick Granitefist (alias of ub3r_n3rd)2012-08-22T22:07:56ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasCyderGnomehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#192012-08-22T22:03:34Z2012-08-22T22:03:34Z<p>I like how with the "Earth" version of Variant Channeling you can throw up a 30' radius of difficult terrain at a moment's notice. Real nice when you need to do some crowd control and keep the bad guys bogged down.</p>I like how with the "Earth" version of Variant Channeling you can throw up a 30' radius of difficult terrain at a moment's notice. Real nice when you need to do some crowd control and keep the bad guys bogged down.CyderGnome2012-08-22T22:03:34ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasJackissocoolhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#182012-08-22T21:28:37Z2012-08-22T21:28:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Balrick Granitefist wrote:</div><blockquote><p> If you are more interested in healing, then this particular archetype is not the one you want to go with it's that simple. You know he gives up all his spells and he's more of a stalwart defender with a bit of paladin splashed in for flavor. This archetype is for tanking and being the party meatshield. Don't try to do more than that with it or you'll end up unhappy. </p>
<p>Work with his strengths, make yourself nearly unkillable with your feats, traits, and gear. If you are the one taking the hits then you don't need to worry about healing others, just buy some CLW wands (and better as you level up), hand them to the guys who can use them, make yourself the one who gets hit all the time, and then have the others heal you when they need to, this will make it so that you don't need to worry about "splitting healing duties" because you will be the one getting hit/healed most often. </blockquote><p>Trust me, healing is not going to be my build focus in any way. I am a talk first and foremost. My duty is to stand there and shrug off hits while smashing any who dare close with me. But, I am not adverse to spending a feat or two on lay on hands. And since I get Channel Energy for my earth friends, I am interested to know what alternative choice works best.Balrick Granitefist wrote:If you are more interested in healing, then this particular archetype is not the one you want to go with it's that simple. You know he gives up all his spells and he's more of a stalwart defender with a bit of paladin splashed in for flavor. This archetype is for tanking and being the party meatshield. Don't try to do more than that with it or you'll end up unhappy.
Work with his strengths, make yourself nearly unkillable with your feats, traits, and gear. If you...Jackissocool2012-08-22T21:28:37ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasGobo Hordehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#172012-08-22T21:15:01Z2012-08-22T21:15:01Z<p>every time I think of stonelord, I think...
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Stone plate! Stone tower shield! bolder helmet made of stone! Stone Warhammer! tack on as many mundane armour enhancements you can! You become a walking fortress! :p</p>every time I think of stonelord, I think...
Stone plate! Stone tower shield! bolder helmet made of stone! Stone Warhammer! tack on as many mundane armour enhancements you can! You become a walking fortress! :pGobo Horde2012-08-22T21:15:01ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasBalrick Granitefist (alias of ub3r_n3rd)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#162012-08-22T20:58:35Z2012-08-22T20:58:35Z<p>If you are more interested in healing, then this particular archetype is not the one you want to go with it's that simple. You know he gives up all his spells and he's more of a stalwart defender with a bit of paladin splashed in for flavor. This archetype is for tanking and being the party meatshield. Don't try to do more than that with it or you'll end up unhappy. </p>
<p>Work with his strengths, make yourself nearly unkillable with your feats, traits, and gear. If you are the one taking the hits then you don't need to worry about healing others, just buy some CLW wands (and better as you level up), hand them to the guys who can use them, make yourself the one who gets hit all the time, and then have the others heal you when they need to, this will make it so that you don't need to worry about "splitting healing duties" because you will be the one getting hit/healed most often.</p>If you are more interested in healing, then this particular archetype is not the one you want to go with it's that simple. You know he gives up all his spells and he's more of a stalwart defender with a bit of paladin splashed in for flavor. This archetype is for tanking and being the party meatshield. Don't try to do more than that with it or you'll end up unhappy.
Work with his strengths, make yourself nearly unkillable with your feats, traits, and gear. If you are the one taking the hits...Balrick Granitefist (alias of ub3r_n3rd)2012-08-22T20:58:35ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasJackissocoolhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#152012-08-22T20:43:00Z2012-08-22T20:43:00Z<p>Also, variant channel seems like a good idea for this build. My options are probably Forge, Earth, Law, Bravery, Strength, Battle, and Protection. Since this is basically just for my elemental and any earth types my allies might summon, and maybe me if I can swing it with my DM, what would be best? Also keep in mind I'm more interested in heal. My charisma is 10 or 12, so I won't be using it to damage much due to low DC.</p>Also, variant channel seems like a good idea for this build. My options are probably Forge, Earth, Law, Bravery, Strength, Battle, and Protection. Since this is basically just for my elemental and any earth types my allies might summon, and maybe me if I can swing it with my DM, what would be best? Also keep in mind I'm more interested in heal. My charisma is 10 or 12, so I won't be using it to damage much due to low DC.Jackissocool2012-08-22T20:43:00ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasJackissocoolhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#142012-08-22T20:38:30Z2012-08-22T20:38:30Z<p>A lot of these are ideas that I have had as well. Dwarven boulder helmet, cleave tree, fatigue mercy. It's good to see that these are viable choices. My question on the cleave tree is this: I won't be moving much, due to defensive stance. I view cleave as something to do after a move action. Am I wrong? Cleave through is certainly not a choice because of defensive stance.</p>
<p>Also, CLW wand won't work for me because I don't get spells at all. It could work for one of the bards, though. </p>
<p>I've got a crossbow for range. I won't be putting feats into it. Is a throwing weapon a better choice?</p>
<p>Dorn dergar isn't necessary because of the boulder helmet.</p>A lot of these are ideas that I have had as well. Dwarven boulder helmet, cleave tree, fatigue mercy. It's good to see that these are viable choices. My question on the cleave tree is this: I won't be moving much, due to defensive stance. I view cleave as something to do after a move action. Am I wrong? Cleave through is certainly not a choice because of defensive stance.
Also, CLW wand won't work for me because I don't get spells at all. It could work for one of the bards, though.
I've got...Jackissocool2012-08-22T20:38:30ZRe: Forums: Advice: Stonelord Paladin Help and IdeasJavaedhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2opsz?Stonelord-Paladin-Help-and-Ideas#132012-08-22T19:53:56Z2012-08-22T19:53:56Z<p>Dwarven Dorn Dergar is a nice weapon to go with, as you can spend a move action to change the length of the weapon between melee & reach. If you're worried about your AC you can also grab an Animated Shield for those boss battles =). Shoot, carry two!</p>Dwarven Dorn Dergar is a nice weapon to go with, as you can spend a move action to change the length of the weapon between melee & reach. If you're worried about your AC you can also grab an Animated Shield for those boss battles =). Shoot, carry two!Javaed2012-08-22T19:53:56Z