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You are just calling a weapon with existing stats something else.
the only difference is how you see it in your head. Where is the harm?
Where's the harm?EDIT: What Walter said. We've been over this discussion, heavily, following the Great Pig Incident of GenCon 2011. I suggest a messageboard search for "pig" and "reskin."
It's a loop! Hahaha
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You are just calling a weapon with existing stats something else.
the only difference is how you see it in your head. Where is the harm?
There are those who solely would want to do this for purposes of role-playing and flavor. I get that. Unfortunately, there are also those who would want to do this to gain an in-game, mechanical benefit. As a PFS GM may not have ever seen his players or their PCs before they sit down at his table, he has no way to be able to differentiate between the flavorful roleplayer with his "rapier" and the cheese-monkey.
That's why the rule is restrictive.
And, now, I'm out, too. :-)
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You are just calling a weapon with existing stats something else.
the only difference is how you see it in your head. Where is the harm?
Then by your logic, why have any weapon stats at all? Just take the best stats you can think of and then call it whatever you want.
The reason you can’t call a kama a rapier, is because the book specifically created a rules subset for each item. If, in your head, you want to use a rapier, then you gotta figure out how to get your monk to use a rapier with his flurry of blows. If its not possible in this rules set, then do something different.
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1. "Pig confered 0 mechanical benefits" - False
Mounts that are viable for usage within the adventure were available. Choosing a pig over one of the legal options, such as a wolf or camel conferred no mechanical advantage. Only the pony results in a mission failure.
2. "Unique idea"? - That's your opinion
Choosing to ride Charlottes pig is certainly not the norm
3. "Threw a fit halfway through a convention"? - That's not very nice to say. Especially since its not true. Also it doesn't make sense.
I have no nice opinion of somebody who destroys a character concept mid-convention. One that multiple other DMs have had no issue with. Had the DM treated the pig the same as any of the legal mounts other than horse or pony the character concept could have been left intact without upsetting anyone.
4. "Show up with my PFS legal". - Why would it be noteworthy if you showed up with a PFS legal character to a PFS game?
The demonstration is: there are plenty of mount options available to small characters that do not auto-fail this mission. Having one more does not change the game in any way.
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1. "Pig confered 0 mechanical benefits" - FalseMounts that are viable for usage within the adventure were available. Choosing a pig over one of the legal options, such as a wolf or camel conferred no mechanical advantage. Only the pony results in a mission failure.
2. "Unique idea"? - That's your opinionChoosing to ride Charlottes pig is certainly not the norm
3. "Threw a fit halfway through a convention"? - That's not very nice to say. Especially since its not true. Also it doesn't make sense.I have no nice opinion of somebody who destroys a character concept mid-convention. One that multiple other DMs have had no issue with. Had the DM treated the pig the same as any of the legal mounts other than horse or pony the character concept could have been left intact without upsetting anyone.
4. "Show up with my PFS legal". - Why would it be noteworthy if you showed up with a PFS legal character to a PFS game?The demonstration is: there are plenty of mount options available to small characters that do not auto-fail this mission. Having one more does not change the game in any way.
Why are we rehashing the old issue here?
It’s an old issue, and was only referenced so that the person could see all the vitriol that happened from that thread, and show why the FAQ entry was written in a fairly conservative way.
The GM in question is a fantastic GM who does his best to uphold the ideals and integrity of the campaign and organized play in general. He saw an issue that he felt was bending the rules, and he called the player on it. It doesn’t matter what other GM’s did or did not allow.
If you are in a work place, and 4 coworkers (either through negligence (purposefully allowing the breaking of the rule) or ignorance (not aware of the rule) make a mistake on a contract document, and you notice the mistake, is it ok to ignore it too?
Yes, this is a game, and not life or death or finances as contracts often are.
But it is a game with rules. And if as a GM we can’t be expected to do our best to uphold a rule as we understand them, then what’s the point of having rules in the first place?
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I really hate the idea that the 'no reskinning' rules are killing the imagination that's so fundamental to pen and paper roleplaying games in the first place.
Here's an example:
So, I got my partner to play Pathfinder... yes!
Problem is, she wants to play a rogue with magical skills. Rogue as written doesn't have much going that magical way, but the ninja has lots of supernatural stuff. So she takes ninja, but we reskin it as 'magical rogue'.
Now here's the problem. It's the Inner Sea. She wants to use a rapier and a shortsword, not a katana and a wakizashi. Fair enough! But the ninja doesn't get those weapons in proficiencies, they get the katana and the wakizashi proficiencies. That's no problem. We reskin her katana and wakizashi to be 'custom-built rapier and shortsword' No rules have been broken, no mechanical benefit has been gained and the Magical Rogue with her Customised Weaponry (not a ninja with Tien steel) is doing great in game.
If I bring her to a standard PFS table, is this new player going to get shouted down by rules lawyers demanding we follow RAW and nothing else? If so, PFS is going to look incredibly anal and we're going to lose potential imaginative players. So sod that.
If players are not changing the rules, it's all good. You can have magically transmuted snake eyes, but you don't get special magical vision. You can have a fearsome scar, but you don't get an automatic +2 to intimidate. You can wield your fathers broken greatsword using the rules for a shortsword and not have to follow rules for a Broken Greatsword (please see rules for broken equipment on page XX)
This game is about imagination, not desperately paging through the index to tell someone they can't be creative.
I can not beleive I am back in this...... the pigs..... the pigs are goin to get me........
Let's say i am playing with that character.
We are in the middle of combat and lo-and-behold her "Rapier" gets sundered...
Well that's ok my character has an extra (And for the record I actually DO have a character with an extra MW rapier in a haversack, please don't ask)
So I pull out the handy dandy rapier and toss it to her.
Her "Um, I can't use this..."
Me "Ah, you were just useing one, was that from like an heirloom trait or something?"
Her "well no, you see it wasnt a rapier it was a katana..."
Me "I'm sorry, what?"
Judge "Can we move this allong please?"
Me "god damn pigs got me again......"
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So, an oni spawn tiefling can look like a singed tengu right? Still medium, or is the "tieflings and other races" expressly prohibited in PFS?
I can see the small tieflings side of the coin, but no reason the tiefling with tiefling stat block can't be another medium sized humanoid race with no benifits other than cosmetic...
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So, an oni spawn tiefling can look like a singed tengu right? Still medium, or is the "tieflings and other races" expressly prohibited in PFS?
I can see the small tieflings side of the coin, but no reason the tiefling with tiefling stat block can't be another medium sized humanoid race with no benifits other than cosmetic...
The "Being another race with no mechanical benefits" is exactly what the reskinning is prohibiting.
You can re-skin a small cat to be a puma, bobcat, lynx, cheetah, or leopard, but not a dog or differently statted wolf.
A tiefling can be descended of oni, devils, demons, rakshasa, etc, but cannot be reskinned to be a humanoid race. They are outsiders. They also can't be reskinned to look like an aasimar, ifrit, oread, etc.
EDIT: If you're really wanting a singed "tengu" do a rakshasa-spawn with the corvid features. Or make judicious use of the oni-spawn's SLA of Alter Self.
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No, there is a sidebar in blood of angles and blood of fiends.It expressly says that they don't have to be human. Yes, they can't be other extraplanar outsiders, but yes they can be orc, strix, halfing, or dwarf.
I hunted down that sidebar, and you are indeed correct. Previous statement redacted. Since it's purely cosmetic (as stated in the sidebar), I don't see why your Tengu parents can't have an abominable little offspring.
Luckily, no one can stop me from reskinning my character in my mind. I may tell everyone at the table that he's riding a wolf and carrying a katana, but in my head he's really riding a pig and carrying a khopesh. Oh, and he's a robot too.
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My robot is also a ninja-pirate, and rides a dinosaur. ... And shoots lasers.
On an almost-related note, isn't "pig-dog" (schweinhund) an insult in German?
Yes. Yes it is.
On a semi-related note, could one use a hat of disguise to appear as a robot? Or put one on their dog to make it appear as a pig? If so, would it just be the DC of disguising oneself as another race?
I'm now imagining everyone getting hats of disguise and riding their "pigs" into battle.
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My robot is also a ninja-pirate, and rides a dinosaur. ... And shoots lasers.
On an almost-related note, isn't "pig-dog" (schweinhund) an insult in German?
Yes. Yes it is.
On a semi-related note, could one use a hat of disguise to appear as a robot? Or put one on their dog to make it appear as a pig? If so, would it just be the DC of disguising oneself as another race?
I'm now imagining everyone getting hats of disguise and riding their "pigs" into battle.
Forget that. Ride Drendle Drang into battle. Even if your mount dies, you win...
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Forget that. Ride Drendle Drang into battle. Even if your mount dies, you win...My robot is also a ninja-pirate, and rides a dinosaur. ... And shoots lasers.
On an almost-related note, isn't "pig-dog" (schweinhund) an insult in German?
Yes. Yes it is.
On a semi-related note, could one use a hat of disguise to appear as a robot? Or put one on their dog to make it appear as a pig? If so, would it just be the DC of disguising oneself as another race?
I'm now imagining everyone getting hats of disguise and riding their "pigs" into battle.
Heheh... I dunno, I'd be tempted to make it Osprey...
My robot is also a ninja-pirate, and rides a dinosaur. ... And shoots lasers.
On an almost-related note, isn't "pig-dog" (schweinhund) an insult in German?
Yes. Yes it is.
On a semi-related note, could one use a hat of disguise to appear as a robot? Or put one on their dog to make it appear as a pig? If so, would it just be the DC of disguising oneself as another race?
I'm now imagining everyone getting hats of disguise and riding their "pigs" into battle.
RAW you can't disguise yourself as a robot using a hat of disguise (or the spell), unless it is the same creature type as the character. I think you could disguise a dog as a pig (using the hat), since both are of the animal type so that should work. I would use the modifier for disguised as another race. Also, there is no DC to beat while trying to disguise yourself. Your disguise result is the dc (opposed by perception) people need to beat to notice you are disguised.
You can't use the hat to disguise your dog as a pig because there is no "Activate this magical hat to disguise yourself as a pig" trick. I believe they also clarified that in PFS ACs cannot use items which require activation -or- hats.
Ah, I was not aware of that, it would have been funny to see a group of people riding around on pigs.
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You can't use the hat to disguise your dog as a pig because there is no "Activate this magical hat to disguise yourself as a pig" trick. I believe they also clarified that in PFS ACs cannot use items which require activation -or- hats.
I was really just attempting to be funny. Apparently I have failed in this and am actually being taken serious.
On a more serious note, I'm now totally going to buy a silly little party hat for my character's heavy warhorse and strap it on.
EDIT: I have NO intention of trying to use the hat of disguise for cheese, except perhaps using it to disguise as the scion of humanity aasimar, just for grins and giggles.
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Animals cannae use hats, so not in PFS. You could use a hat of Disguise to look like a robot if you were a robot covered in human flesh.
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On a more serious note, I'm now totally going to buy a silly little party hat for my character's heavy warhorse and strap it on.
Get him one of these hats, and he can *totally* pass for a pig.
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On a more serious note, I'm now totally going to buy a silly little party hat for my character's heavy warhorse and strap it on.Get him one of these hats, and he can *totally* pass for a pig.
Done. "Pig hat for horse" now listed on chronicle sheet. I figure 10gp is reasonable?
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Wee-e-e-ell, you could, but ... (wait for it...) ... That's a horse of a different colour!
Ba-dum-bum!;)
a different color is ok .. but don't even think about putting a horn on it and trying to tell me it's a unicorn.. that's badwrongfun and i don't allow those types of shenanigans at my table.
shakes paw at the W
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Wee-e-e-ell, you could, but ... (wait for it...) ... That's a horse of a different colour!
Ba-dum-bum!;)
a different color is ok .. but don't even think about putting a horn on it and trying to tell me it's a unicorn.. that's badwrongfun and i don't allow those types of shenanigans at my table.
shakes paw at the W
Hmm... Pig hat, or fake horn... Decisions, decisions.