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Okay. In order to get the reroll, we need the character folio. A print copy, not a printout of the PDF.
Questions.
1. Does the character have to the one written on the folio, or does its mere existence at the table justify its use? I ask because I use Hero Lab, and I am not alone, so this is important.
2. If the character doesn't have to be written on it, what, specifically, do I need? Can I just dump the sheets and tuck the folder/cover thingie into my binder, and whip that out when I need my reroll? Or do I need the whole thing? (And how bulky is it? I haven't seen one in person yet.)
If I can just hold on to the cover itself and get a reroll each session, I'll be delighted to plop down the ten bucks for my own print copy. Even if I have to keep the whole thing together, I'll likely just 3-hole-punch the lot of it and stuff it in the back of my binder. But after the amount of money I've put in to Hero Lab--to say nothing of how much I adore fiddling with it--there's no way I'm actually going to use a hand-written sheet like this, regardless of bells and whistles.
(Which isn't a criticism of the product. It's just not my personal cup of tea. YMMV etc.)
In conclusion, I know this is nitpicky; I'm asking because (as someone pointed out elsethread) GMs might try to enforce different rules, so I want to know what the intent is.
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(And how bulky is it? I haven't seen one in person yet.)
I have seen these in person at my FLGS. They're not bulky at all. Same thin covers as all of their perfect- and staple- bound products. I don't think you'd be too burdened, actually, bringing the whole thing with you.
Instead of punching it, though, consider first one of those plastic page sleeves. It may be about the right size for that.
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As I understand it, the idea with the free re-roll is to reward players who visibly support Paizo by wearing or using a qualifying shirt or PC folio. As in letting others see you using the product. I imagne having the folio out even if it is not for the PC you are using for that game would work. But leaving it tucked in the back of a binder or backpack wouldn't. Just like with a shirt hidden in a backpack. The rules say it must be worn.
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As I understand it, the idea with the free re-roll is to reward players who visibly support Paizo by wearing or using a qualifying shirt or PC folio. As in letting others see you using the product. I imagne having the folio out even if it is not for the PC you are using for that game would work. But leaving it tucked in the back of a binder or backpack wouldn't. Just like with a shirt hidden in a backpack. The rules say it must be worn.
I'm just a little glad that they aren't doing the Munchkin thing.
- T-shirt reroll? Check.
- PC Folio reroll? Check!
- Paizo d20 reroll? Check!!
- Pathfinder Society Status Cheat-sheet Bookmark reroll? Check!!!
- WizKids-brand Pathfinder Society Organized Play Munchkin Crossover Pre-Painted Pathfinder Battles Miniature reroll? Check!!!!
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Also, Matthew, it will be just one re-roll, from either a shirt or the folio, not one from each.
Yeah, got that. Which is why it's "Some Other Universe" saying it. ;)
Edit: Also why it contains a couple of non-existent products. The d20 exists, but doesn't grant a reroll. The bookmark and the mini don't exist.
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Also, Matthew, it will be just one re-roll, from either a shirt or the folio, not one from each.Yeah, got that. Which is why it's "Some Other Universe" saying it. ;)
Edit: Also why it contains a couple of non-existent products. The d20 exists, but doesn't grant a reroll. The bookmark and the mini don't exist.
Though the d20 probably should allow a reroll since the have a reputation.
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Page 28: Changed Shirt Reroll title to Free Reroll title. Added the following text to that section: “If a player is using a physical copy of the Pathfinder RPG Player Character Folio, they receive a free reroll as if granted by a shirt. No player may receive more than one free reroll per session, even if wearing a shirt and using a folio.”It says using. Beyond containing a slick, new character sheet, it also works as a folder. It also contains some very handy information. Do we really need to have an official ruling on exactly how a player must "use" the folio to get a reroll? Has the lawyering really descended to this level?
Now that GMs are obligated to follow the clarifications of Paizo team members here on the boards, asking for specific clarification is no longer rules lawyering. It's become a way of making sure everyone is on the same page.
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Now that GMs are obligated to follow the clarifications of Paizo team members here on the boards, asking for specific clarification is no longer rules lawyering. It's become a way of making sure everyone is on the same page.
Just remember that we are not required to follow the boards, just uphold any ruling by the paizo staff. Players are still required to bring those rulings to our attention.
As for your question, there is currently table variation on the shirts. I expect the same for the folios.
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Though the d20 probably should allow a reroll since the have a reputation.Also, Matthew, it will be just one re-roll, from either a shirt or the folio, not one from each.Yeah, got that. Which is why it's "Some Other Universe" saying it. ;)
Edit: Also why it contains a couple of non-existent products. The d20 exists, but doesn't grant a reroll. The bookmark and the mini don't exist.
My Paizo D20 betrays me every change it has. *glare*
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Now that GMs are obligated to follow the clarifications of Paizo team members here on the boards, asking for specific clarification is no longer rules lawyering. It's become a way of making sure everyone is on the same page.Just remember that we are not required to follow the boards, just uphold any ruling by the paizo staff. Players are still required to bring those rulings to our attention.
Oh, fear not. I'm on it. ;p
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Why is it that a printed out, watermarked folio doesn't count as a physical copy?
As has been said, it probably isn't in color which isn't as eye-catching. We want players to see it on a table and wonder what it is, possibly walk up and want to look at it, leading to a possible sale in the future. Printed out pages don't draw that same attention.
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Why is it that a printed out, watermarked folio doesn't count as a physical copy?As has been said, it probably isn't in color which isn't as eye-catching. We want players to see it on a table and wonder what it is, possibly walk up and want to look at it, leading to a possible sale in the future. Printed out pages don't draw that same attention.
Fair Enough.
Now if I may make a suggestion, when the Goblin Plushies come out, they'd be eye catching enough for me to buy to get a re-roll. [Honest I'm not just trying to find a reason to play with a doll...]
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Why is it that a printed out, watermarked folio doesn't count as a physical copy?As has been said, it probably isn't in color which isn't as eye-catching. We want players to see it on a table and wonder what it is, possibly walk up and want to look at it, leading to a possible sale in the future. Printed out pages don't draw that same attention.Fair Enough.
Now if I may make a suggestion, when the Goblin Plushies come out, they'd be eye catching enough for me to buy to get a re-roll. [Honest I'm not just trying to find a reason to play with a doll...]
OH MY GOD YES.
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OH MY GOD YES.Why is it that a printed out, watermarked folio doesn't count as a physical copy?As has been said, it probably isn't in color which isn't as eye-catching. We want players to see it on a table and wonder what it is, possibly walk up and want to look at it, leading to a possible sale in the future. Printed out pages don't draw that same attention.Fair Enough.
Now if I may make a suggestion, when the Goblin Plushies come out, they'd be eye catching enough for me to buy to get a re-roll. [Honest I'm not just trying to find a reason to play with a doll...]
"It's not a doll. It's an Action Figure!"
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I think Mike stated that it didn't have to be for the character you were playing...just that you had to have it.
Also, I don't care if it's a doll, I'm SO bringing a Goblin Plushie with me to Game Days. All BBEGs in all scenarios are now size colossal++ Goblins. You get a a free auto-crit if you squee in unison and on pitch with me.
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I think Mike stated that it didn't have to be for the character you were playing...just that you had to have it.
Also, I don't care if it's a doll, I'm SO bringing a Goblin Plushie with me to Game Days. All BBEGs in all scenarios are now size colossal++ Goblins. You get a a free auto-crit if you squee in unison and on pitch with me.
For me it wouldn't be Squeeing but rather doing the Beavis and Butthead "Fire!" bit :).
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From the 4.2 guide: Game Masters are also invited to wear Pathfinder Society Organized Play shirts, but gain no additional benefits other than supporting Pathfinder.
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Ah, missed that. I thought it used to be we could toss out a free re-roll.
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I believe that GM's have never been able to gain the benefits of the re-roll, however its been an unwritten rule that if they choose they can allow a character to use the GM's re-roll. I could be wrong, since I've never had a shirt before, but I know a lot of GM's have talked about it, and I've seen them do it.
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I believe that GM's have never been able to gain the benefits of the re-roll, however its been an unwritten rule that if they choose they can allow a character to use the GM's re-roll. I could be wrong, since I've never had a shirt before, but I know a lot of GM's have talked about it, and I've seen them do it.
I've seen this as well, and I think it is a good addition to the game. Sometimes a player has a spell of really rotten luck, and the GM saying, "You can use my shirt reroll" has gone a long way toward keeping the player happy. It's not even that the benefit is that great (often the player will flub the re-roll also), but the fact that the GM even makes the gesture helps reinforce the cooperative nature of the game and helps prevent some antagonism that might otherwise develop from a grumpy player.
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I like the idea as well and I would think 99% of the GMs would do the same. My wild guess is that the line I quoted above is in the guide to prevent that 1% of GMs who want to use his shirt reroll to make one of the monsters reroll that crit confirmation roll or the like to make it harder for players.
That said, I would only give MY shirt reroll to a player if they did not already have a way to get a free reroll. No 2 free rolls for you!
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Now if I may make a suggestion, when the Goblin Plushies come out, they'd be eye catching enough for me to buy to get a re-roll. [Honest I'm not just trying to find a reason to play with a doll...]
I don't believe a bunch of plushies sitting on the table during PFS games at game shops and conventions would really help attract adult players. Or younger players for that matter, since I'd have to explain to parents why a group of adults have stuffed toys on the table. It would attract attention and curiosity but honestly I don't think it would necessarily be a positive thing.
To state it more bluntly: The day I have to carry a stuffed goblin toy to a PFS game to get an in-game advantage would be the day I quit PFS. The plushies are a fun thing that I know a lot of people will like (including my kids!), but they don't have a place on the game table.
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Now if I may make a suggestion, when the Goblin Plushies come out, they'd be eye catching enough for me to buy to get a re-roll. [Honest I'm not just trying to find a reason to play with a doll...]I don't believe a bunch of plushies sitting on the table during PFS games at game shops and conventions would really help attract adult players. Or younger players for that matter, since I'd have to explain to parents why a group of adults have stuffed toys on the table. It would attract attention and curiosity but honestly I don't think it would necessarily be a positive thing.
To state it more bluntly: The day I have to carry a stuffed goblin toy to a PFS game to get an in-game advantage would be the day I quit PFS. The plushies are a fun thing that I know a lot of people will like (including my kids!), but they don't have a place on the game table.
Tie up Narl to hush him up
In the cauldron, then we sup.When the fire builds up high
"For the plushies!" goblins cry!
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Now, I have the reputation of being a stickler of a GM. And even I "donate" my shirt reroll to the table.
If I'm GMing, and somebody at the table is being even sticklier than I, here's my proof. I could, if necessary, take the shirt off, let the player wear it, and then he'd be good for a shirt re-roll. Anybody really want to see a 200-lb 5'7" guy strip to the pasty-white waist and hand somebody else his shirt.
Didn't think so.
So, let's just say I hypothetically did that, and somebody can take the re-roll.
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I only do this at table where nobody, or only one person, has a Pathfinder / faction shirt.
I also urge players to look through their old Chronicles and see if they have any boos that might come in useful. PCs who've been through the First Steps trilogy often have a re-roll they forget about.
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I could, if necessary, take the shirt off, let the player wear it, and then he'd be good for a shirt re-roll. Anybody really want to see a 200-lb 5'7" guy strip to the pasty-white waist and hand somebody else his shirt.
I work in healthcare and I go to conventions ... I've seen worse .. way worse.. like boil your eyeballs worse ... so meh :D
