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Hmm. This thread looks interesting.

I'll be back later to troll for revolutionary socialism, that is, if the thread is still active when I get back.

Vive le Galt!

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Andrew R wrote:
Hardly, getting an education and job experience can get you a lot farther than "why bother, i'll get in the welfare line". No there is no conspiracy to keep women and minorities from going to college or getting training for a decent job. Of course i would hope you know better.

Those are necessary conditions to improving one's station, sure, but nobody is saying "why bother, i'll get in the welfare line" before having the (appearance of) opportunities to improve their position disappear. You're again mistaking depression/disenfrachisement for a moral failing. "A man may take to drink because he feels himself to be a failure, and then fail all the more completely because he drinks," as Orwell noted.

In the case of education, do you understand why someone would be reluctant to go massively into debt (relative to their income) to go to school, given the prevalence of unemployment even in college graduates?

In the case of women and minorities, again, there's no conspiracy. Nobody is claiming that there is! You can have systemic inequality come about in the real world just by having enough bigots to make things more difficult, and a culture that makes it acceptable for them to act on their bigotry. Nobody put sexism and racism there; people merely find it convenient to continue it or inconvenient to take steps to mitigate it.


Well, I assumed he was claiming a conspiracy, when he said:

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Create a "them vs. me" mentality in all but one segment of society and convince those not on top that they can never succeed because "the man" will keep them down

Someone must be doing the "creating".

Which is what I found funny.

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thejeff wrote:

Well, I assumed he was claiming a conspiracy, when he said:

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Create a "them vs. me" mentality in all but one segment of society and convince those not on top that they can never succeed because "the man" will keep them down

Someone must be doing the "creating".

Which is what I found funny.

Be fair, everyone here is doing that. Nobody is actually saying a conspiracy is doing these things, bit rather that a hypothetical conspiracy would do them, as a framing device for listing causes of poverty and oppression.


Our current social structure cannot survive the connection of the masses through the internet.

It is increasingly difficult to control information.

Have you guys seen the changes in polls among people under 20 these days?

I'm a pretty liberally minded dude, but today's high-school students and college students make me look right wing at times.

1/3rd of Swedish youth are now identifying as bisexual, and that number is becoming pretty consistent across other countries. (I should mention that I believe bisexual to be the natural human sexuality, despite being straight myself, so I see more bisexuals as a good indication of more "social freedom")

As the baby boomer generation dies out, we're going to see a rapid acceleration of progressive and liberal thinking.

An anti-tradition revolution that will be global and unstoppable due to the internet.

The world we die in will look nothing like the world we were born into.

The human psyche is about to evolve.


Fleshgrinder wrote:

Our current social structure cannot survive the connection of the masses through the internet.

1/3rd of Swedish youth are now identifying as bisexual ...

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We must ban the internet for the masses, and only allow tightly controlled
use for banks and the military.

Plus, we must form a secret police that will hunt out illegal Ad-Hoc
networks, and 'make examples' of people who attempt to make information free.

I can see no other way.

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Luckily, the banning of the internet just leads to the creation of an unternet like in China.

We are increasingly difficult to oppress, and we didn't need any weapons to achieve it.


Fleshgrinder wrote:

Luckily, the banning of the internet just leads to the creation of an unternet like in China.

We are increasingly difficult to oppress, and we didn't need any weapons to achieve it.

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Right, this is why we need Police Death Squads.

They will hunt out illegal Ad-Hoc networks, and do their duty for the
upper-class(es) -- who are their masters.

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( somebody should make a board game about that )

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They did.


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Ban criminals from voting.

Then make more things criminal.


A Man In Black wrote:
It's not caused by a conspiracy, no. It's caused by essentially short-sighted business thinking...

See also: Hanlon's razor.


All should simply bow down before my might and not worry about such silly things I shall give each and everyone of you exactly what you deserve.

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A Man In Black wrote:
Andrew R wrote:
Hardly, getting an education and job experience can get you a lot farther than "why bother, i'll get in the welfare line". No there is no conspiracy to keep women and minorities from going to college or getting training for a decent job. Of course i would hope you know better.

Those are necessary conditions to improving one's station, sure, but nobody is saying "why bother, i'll get in the welfare line" before having the (appearance of) opportunities to improve their position disappear. You're again mistaking depression/disenfrachisement for a moral failing. "A man may take to drink because he feels himself to be a failure, and then fail all the more completely because he drinks," as Orwell noted.

In the case of education, do you understand why someone would be reluctant to go massively into debt (relative to their income) to go to school, given the prevalence of unemployment even in college graduates?

In the case of women and minorities, again, there's no conspiracy. Nobody is claiming that there is! You can have systemic inequality come about in the real world just by having enough bigots to make things more difficult, and a culture that makes it acceptable for them to act on their bigotry. Nobody put sexism and racism there; people merely find it convenient to continue it or inconvenient to take steps to mitigate it.

Tech schools and apprenticeships for skilled trades are not nearly so expensive or hopeless. Military service can get school money easy enough. Yes i see MANY in my region popping out kids and going on welfare almost right at 18. Many laugh that they do not HAVE to work.

You don't think that many think there is a conspiracy? You apparently do not hear the words of as many womens lib and "community activists" as i do. And as many of the bigots are on their side of the fence, falsely blaming their "oppressor" as an excuse to not try. And our culture applauds that

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Andrew R wrote:
Tech schools and apprenticeships for skilled trades are not nearly so expensive or hopeless. Military service can get school money easy enough.

Tech schools still run to five digits for a two-year program, and are only an option if you can both afford that and support yourself while doing it. (Before anyone chimes in with "Well, I managed work and school!", that's great, but not everyone is going to be able to.) Apprenticeship programs have been on the decline for a lone time; this is part of the whole decline of on-the-job training. Plus, neither of those are an option unless you live within reach of one.

Military service is an option in the US, but not everyone is cut out for it.

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dem dang ol' poors, pumping out kids

Remember what we were saying about "Us versus them" and making it a moral failing to be poor?

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You don't think that many think there is a conspiracy? You apparently do not hear the words of as many womens lib and "community activists" as i do. And as many of the bigots are on their side of the fence, falsely blaming their "oppressor" as an excuse to not try. And our culture applauds that

No, it's not a conspiracy. Additionally, this is crazy nonsense.

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A Man In Black wrote:
Andrew R wrote:
Tech schools and apprenticeships for skilled trades are not nearly so expensive or hopeless. Military service can get school money easy enough.

Tech schools still run to five digits for a two-year program, and are only an option if you can both afford that and support yourself while doing it. (Before anyone chimes in with "Well, I managed work and school!", that's great, but not everyone is going to be able to.) Apprenticeship programs have been on the decline for a lone time; this is part of the whole decline of on-the-job training. Plus, neither of those are an option unless you live within reach of one.

Military service is an option in the US, but not everyone is cut out for it.

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dem dang ol' poors, pumping out kids

Remember what we were saying about "Us versus them" and making it a moral failing to be poor?

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You don't think that many think there is a conspiracy? You apparently do not hear the words of as many womens lib and "community activists" as i do. And as many of the bigots are on their side of the fence, falsely blaming their "oppressor" as an excuse to not try. And our culture applauds that
No, it's not a conspiracy. Additionally, this is crazy nonsense.

how dare i want personal responsibility to come before unlimited lifelong welfare. And as long as they rob my paycheck to cover it it IS my concern. You do not live among the poor urban folks do you? Or do you just buy into the loser syndrome and tell them it isn't their fault they make dumb choices

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Personal responsibility right into an early grave.


Hey, look: a rehash of the "urban myth" thread from last month. I'll pass this time. I feel that we answered the question of it it happens in the affirmative, then argued until an impasse about if such a system is morally more acceptable than the alternative.

Except to say this: any person, anywhere in the industrialized free world, can achieve economic success through hard work, careful planning, moral living, and self-discipline.


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Andrew R wrote:
how dare i want personal responsibility to come before unlimited lifelong welfare. And as long as they rob my paycheck to cover it it IS my concern. You do not live among the poor urban folks do you? Or do you just buy into the loser syndrome and tell them it isn't their fault they make dumb choices

Wouldn't a superior option be working toward a society where we can afford permanent welfare for everyone?

We have this problem where we're getting more technologically advanced yet still working 40 hours a week.

Aren't we building the machines to make the work easier and shorter?

Then, get this, we invent assembly lines and people actually FIGHT AGAINST the automation of manufacturing...

Our technology level is 2012, but we're using a work week and schedules designed when? A hundred years ago.

And, just an idea, but if there's 10% unemployment, why don't the rest of us work 10% less and just spread the existing work out?

See, I may be crazy, but maybe the entire point of all this was to eventually not have to work or have responsibility.

To be a little poetic for a moment, just because we got kicked out of paradise doesn't mean we're not allowed to try and build one ourselves.

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Andrew R wrote:
how dare i want personal responsibility to come before unlimited lifelong welfare.

Spread ideologies that claim that poverty or misfortune are caused by the moral failures of the impoverished.

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And as long as they rob my paycheck to cover it it IS my concern.

Create a "them vs. me" mentality in all but one segment of society and convince those not on top that they can never succeed because "the man" will keep them down

Quote:
Or do you just buy into the loser syndrome and tell them it isn't their fault they make dumb choices

Spread ideologies that claim that poverty or misfortune are caused by the moral failures of the impoverished.

DM Barcas wrote:
Except to say this: any person, anywhere in the industrialized free world, can achieve economic success through hard work, careful planning, moral living, and self-discipline

Spread ideologies that claim that poverty or misfortune are caused by the moral failures of the impoverished.


There have been a number of credible studies and theorists (start with Cohen in the 50s, then Cloward and Ohlin for the academic foundation, and on to more modern academics such as Elijah Anderson) that explore the idea of the poor urban subculture. Cohen argued that by failing to live up to the "middle class measuring rod" caused youths to reject the accompanying morality and social norms. That was in the 50s. Imagine another four generations of folks with that culturally-transmitted rejection of middle-class values and morality.

Self-control (see Hirschi and Gottfredson for the primary theorists) has long been proven as the most salient factor in criminality. Even strain theorists argue that low self-control (being the more salient proximate cause of criminal behavior) is ultimately caused by strain (usually economic).


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DM Barcas wrote:

Hey, look: a rehash of the "urban myth" thread from last month. I'll pass this time. I feel that we answered the question of it it happens in the affirmative, then argued until an impasse about if such a system is morally more acceptable than the alternative.

Except to say this: any person, anywhere in the industrialized free world, can achieve economic success through hard work, careful planning, moral living, and self-discipline.

Define "economic success". Economic mobility in most of the industrialized free world, especially the US, has dropped over the last 40 years or so. The single greatest predictor of your economic status is the economic status of your parents.

Or more simply, perhaps anyone can, although those who start near the finish line have a much better chance, but everyone can't. The way our society is set up, we need an underclass.

Or to go back to the original style of this thread:
More perniciously, spread a myth that anyone can make it in this society. That way, when someone doesn't it's their own fault and there's no need to help them out.


DM Barcas wrote:

There have been a number of credible studies and theorists (start with Cohen in the 50s, then Cloward and Ohlin for the academic foundation, and on to more modern academics such as Elijah Anderson) that explore the idea of the poor urban subculture. Cohen argued that by failing to live up to the "middle class measuring rod" caused youths to reject the accompanying morality and social norms. That was in the 50s. Imagine another four generations of folks with that culturally-transmitted rejection of middle-class values and morality.

Self-control (see Hirschi and Gottfredson for the primary theorists) has long been proven as the most salient factor in criminality. Even strain theorists argue that low self-control (being the more salient proximate cause of criminal behavior) is ultimately caused by strain (usually economic).

So you're saying that anyone can make it if they've got the right personal traits, but poor people due to their economic condition and potentially the "culture of poverty" are less likely to have the right personal traits?

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DM Barcas wrote:

There have been a number of credible studies and theorists (start with Cohen in the 50s, then Cloward and Ohlin for the academic foundation, and on to more modern academics such as Elijah Anderson) that explore the idea of the poor urban subculture. Cohen argued that by failing to live up to the "middle class measuring rod" caused youths to reject the accompanying morality and social norms. That was in the 50s. Imagine another four generations of folks with that culturally-transmitted rejection of middle-class values and morality.

Self-control (see Hirschi and Gottfredson for the primary theorists) has long been proven as the most salient factor in criminality. Even strain theorists argue that low self-control (being the more salient proximate cause of criminal behavior) is ultimately caused by strain (usually economic).

But criminals and craddle to grave welfare recipients are just the good innocent folks that cannot help what society has done to them. We are evil for wanting anything more than for them to take the money.

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A Man In Black wrote:
Andrew R wrote:
how dare i want personal responsibility to come before unlimited lifelong welfare.

Spread ideologies that claim that poverty or misfortune are caused by the moral failures of the impoverished.

Quote:
And as long as they rob my paycheck to cover it it IS my concern.

Create a "them vs. me" mentality in all but one segment of society and convince those not on top that they can never succeed because "the man" will keep them down

Quote:
Or do you just buy into the loser syndrome and tell them it isn't their fault they make dumb choices

Spread ideologies that claim that poverty or misfortune are caused by the moral failures of the impoverished.

DM Barcas wrote:
Except to say this: any person, anywhere in the industrialized free world, can achieve economic success through hard work, careful planning, moral living, and self-discipline
Spread ideologies that claim that poverty or misfortune are caused by the moral failures of the impoverished.

You should spend some quality time with your morally superior friends.

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thejeff wrote:
DM Barcas wrote:

Hey, look: a rehash of the "urban myth" thread from last month. I'll pass this time. I feel that we answered the question of it it happens in the affirmative, then argued until an impasse about if such a system is morally more acceptable than the alternative.

Except to say this: any person, anywhere in the industrialized free world, can achieve economic success through hard work, careful planning, moral living, and self-discipline.

Define "economic success". Economic mobility in most of the industrialized free world, especially the US, has dropped over the last 40 years or so. The single greatest predictor of your economic status is the economic status of your parents.

Or more simply, perhaps anyone can, although those who start near the finish line have a much better chance, but everyone can't. The way our society is set up, we need an underclass.

Or to go back to the original style of this thread:
More perniciously, spread a myth that anyone can make it in this society. That way, when someone doesn't it's their own fault and there's no need to help them out.

"help" and lifelong leeching are not the same.

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DM Barcas wrote:
Self-control (see Hirschi and Gottfredson for the primary theorists) has long been proven as the most salient factor in criminality. Even strain theorists argue that low self-control (being the more salient proximate cause of criminal behavior) is ultimately caused by strain (usually economic).

So where are all the psychologists claiming that telling people to have better self-control helps anything? Saying "If people had better self-control, they'd be more successful" is no more relevant or useful than saying "If my bull had t$&+, it'd be a cow." Especially when you yourself are saying that there are social pressures (which could be mitigated!) involved.

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A Man In Black wrote:
DM Barcas wrote:
Self-control (see Hirschi and Gottfredson for the primary theorists) has long been proven as the most salient factor in criminality. Even strain theorists argue that low self-control (being the more salient proximate cause of criminal behavior) is ultimately caused by strain (usually economic).
So where are all the psychologists claiming that telling people to have better self-control helps anything? Saying "If people had better self-control, they'd be more successful" is no more relevant or useful than saying "If my bull had t#&#, it'd be a cow." Especially when you yourself are saying that there are social pressures (which could be mitigated!) involved.

So better they have none?

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Andrew R wrote:
So better they have none?

No, but if you really want to mitigate poverty, shouting "Have more self-control!" and "Pull yourself up by the bootstraps!" at people is useless (and can be counterproductive to boot).

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A Man In Black wrote:
Andrew R wrote:
So better they have none?
No, but if you really want to mitigate poverty, shouting "Have more self-control!" and "Pull yourself up by the bootstraps!" at people is useless (and can be counterproductive to boot).

So is having no expectations and allowing a culture of welfare and crime to breed

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Andrew R wrote:
So is having no expectations and allowing a culture of welfare and crime to breed

This casual association of people on welfare and criminals is another version of "Poor people deserve to be poor."

It's somewhat depressing to see people espousing the sentiments that perpetuate in a thread that's supposed to call out these sentiments.


Andrew R wrote:
A Man In Black wrote:
Andrew R wrote:
So better they have none?
No, but if you really want to mitigate poverty, shouting "Have more self-control!" and "Pull yourself up by the bootstraps!" at people is useless (and can be counterproductive to boot).
So is having no expectations and allowing a culture of welfare and crime to breed

I was once on welfare.

I don't have a criminal record.

Crime rates are quite low these days. The mass majority of poor people are not criminals, they're just poor.


I hate the poor. We really should just eat them.


Fleshgrinder wrote:


I was once on welfare.

I don't have a criminal record.

Ditto.

Although I'm not sure what "welfare" really means these days other than a system of poorly administered social safety net programs. There is no "welfare", AFAIK, though at various points I have been on WIC, foodstamps, unemployment. But then where do you draw the line between "welfare" and any other sort of social assistance. I've lived in housing complexes where rent was subsidized by the city (low income housing initiative).

Funny enough I have a few friends who HAVE laundry list criminal records. They're staunch republicans.


ShinHakkaider wrote:

So why don't you good moral folk just KILL THEM ALL. They're a drain on society and you obviously wish that they weren't around. So just kill them all. and since their children are tainted by association just kill them too. Have your police and army just roll up in those neighorhoods and start shooting and bombing until they run out of ammo.

You'll get rid of a lot of the dark folk that way too I guess.

Really? I still think eating them is more efficient. Waste not, want not...


Man, I know it's the touch of death to say this but...way the mods have been lately this thread is just waiting for the axe to drop.


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A Man In Black wrote:
Andrew R wrote:
So better they have none?
No, but if you really want to mitigate poverty, shouting "Have more self-control!" and "Pull yourself up by the bootstraps!" at people is useless (and can be counterproductive to boot).

But it's the easiest thing to do since you know he's not inclined to help those degenerates.

I think people are much more comfortable shouting from the cheap seats.


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Create an economic system that rewards wealth incumbancy.

If you work your butt off as a machinist, you know, someone that actually makes something you can touch with your hand, we'll tax that at 30%.

If you just sit on your ass, invest your money and let it do all the work, we'll tax that at 15%.

Wealth redistribution is class warfare. Republicans just don't want you to realize they're already doing it.

Sweden's taxes are twice as high as ours. But last year, they had triple the growth. Lower taxes do not automatically mean higher growth.


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Bread, circuses and fear, preferably fear of something external.

Circuses = sports, movies, TV, most of the internet, video games of all sorts, grand events that the masses can feel that they are participatory in some fashion (Olympics, Super Bowl, World Series, ad nauseam).

Fear = the Red Menace, McArthyisms, WMDs in [insert country of choice here], ecological mayhem, religiously-derived conflicts, encourage mayhem and atrocities elsewhere to make the situation at home look that much better. Creation of massive agencies that enforce the reduction of personal liberties and responsibilities. Enforce in all but name a two-party political system that the Founding Fathers *all* warned against permitting to happen. Suborn journalistic integrity to the bottom line, influence peddling and farming fear for ratings. Tsk tsk at those who are caught up in "moral scandals" that are not uncommon.

:P


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If you are going to write posts like this, it would be helpful if you
included links to your references. :)

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DM Barcas wrote:
There have been a number of credible studies and theorists (start with Cohen in the 50s, then Cloward and Ohlin for the academic foundation, and on to more modern academics such as Elijah Anderson) that explore the idea of the poor urban subculture.

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Oh, poor urban subcultures are not just an idea, they are real. We
need to keep these people living in the dirt and growing food for the
rest of us.

The last thing we want is for them to "advance" up the social ladder.

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Still unlocked? Excellent!

I'll be back later.

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In before the lock yippie.


Grand Magus wrote:

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If you are going to write posts like this, it would be helpful if you
included links to your references. :)

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DM Barcas wrote:
There have been a number of credible studies and theorists (start with Cohen in the 50s, then Cloward and Ohlin for the academic foundation, and on to more modern academics such as Elijah Anderson) that explore the idea of the poor urban subculture.

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Oh, poor urban subcultures are not just an idea, they are real. We
need to keep these people living in the dirt and growing food for the
rest of us.

The last thing we want is for them to "advance" up the social ladder.

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Yeah, cuz then we'll end up with jobs Americans won't do...oh, wait...


Okay. Let's begin!

Grand Magus wrote:

1. Make public education compulsory, and then make it inferior.

We do not want to teach the lower classes how to reason & problem
solve, and obviously NO FINANCIAL education. Also, train them to sit
for long periods memorizing information that they will regurgitate when
commanded.

2. Make quality education very expensive; those lower classes are
poor, like we want them.

2a. If some smarty-pants do make it to college, we load them up with
HUGE debt. So much debt, that they will spend the rest of their lives
paying us usury.

3. Set up rinky-dink education places like * Tech Institue. And dangle
high paying technology jobs as the carrot. Now the trick here is to
charge high fees, and then teach them useless stuff. Plus, drive them
towards automotive fields while the oil supply depletes, making their
skills useless in a post-oil world!

4. To keep them occupied we can invent games that drain their
minds and their pocket books. Some people will actually pay you money
again and again if you just re-release your game with a new version
number and some new art.

5. As far as media goes, put them on a "social network" to “mine”
their activities to keep tabs on them.

Yeah, those are all pretty good methods.

The thing about public education that always sticks in my craw, though, is, yeah sure, they don't teach the lower classes to reason and problem solve, but it's not like the unwashed masses were learning those things before there was public education, either.


ArgentumLupus wrote:
6. Make suicide a social, religious, and legal crime, so that people who are too undereducated and poor to emigrate or improve their lot (which is everyone, see step 2) must live in misery. If too many people off themselves, then your exploitable base begins to shrink.

Hmm. This one's okay, I guess, but really, miserable people are going to off themselves and they won't really care if it's a crime. In my experiences, the hoi polloi just keep holding on, way after life has lost any thrill (usually around 17).

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7. Encourage a society where being "smart" is a bad thing. (politicians telling tech experts to "lay off the technobable" when explaining in lay mans terms) Especially encourage this among children, so that the "over achievers" (AKA: normal students to the rest of the world) are bullied, beat up, and in general ostracized. They will either conform, or suffer from disabling mental problems.

Toughen up, kid.

8. Claim that "Education makes you Liberal". I can only imagine that great minds we have lost from that sentence alone.

Education didn't make me a liberal. Oh, wait, I went to public school...


A Man In Black wrote:

Get them to vote against their interests.

Offload the cost of job training from the employer to the would-be employee.

Deflation.

Spread ideologies that claim that poverty or misfortune are caused by the moral failures of the impoverished.

Spread ideologies that claim that expressing unhappiness with the status quo are caused by moral failings instead of material causes.

Yup, uh huh, these are good...

You forgot to number them, though.


yellowdingo wrote:

I know how to tear down economies that enslave and oppress its 'lower classes'. You remove the poorest from the economy - so that the burden of the untouchable labour falls on those of higher status - this causes outrage and social conflict and the system falls in on itself.

You basically provide every woman from a third world nation where they are oppressed and treated as less than equal free citizenship, their own home and land - so they can grow their own food as a bear minimum survival method, a years supply of food rations, a year's free education. This removes women from the population growth of said regimes causing the men who remain to turn on the few women who remain with even more hostility and mistreatment encouraging them all to flee to the land of opportunity where they can be free of oppression.

I know how to tear down a Democracy and prove it to be a Tyranny. You provide every citizen the right (and obligation) to represent themselves - so a parliament needs to be built to seat every citizen. Government employees need to be replaced with every one putting in an hour a week as a government employee an equal to remove the culture of inequality of Authority.

These are terrible ways to oppress the stinking billions, Citizen Dingo. You're in the wrong thread.


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meatrace wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:

I know how to tear down economies that enslave and oppress its 'lower classes'. You remove the poorest from the economy - so that the burden of the untouchable labour falls on those of higher status - this causes outrage and social conflict and the system falls in on itself.

I think someone once wrote a song that describes this plan

That is a very good song, Citizen Meatrace.


yellowdingo wrote:

Given I've shown you how to tear down an economy that treats people based on some economic caste system -

Means of Oppression
* The Treatment of Women as Second Class citizens is a means of oppression or the poor.
* Pay people the least for the most physically and emotionally destructive labors.
* Force People into an Urban lifestyle that takes away their right to support themselves without conforming to a money based economy controlled by the fewest possible people.

Much better.


Andrew R wrote:

Set up unending generational welfare system to encourage a lack of effort and destroy work ethic. Ensure said welfare can easily purchase unhealthy foods to keep the poor obese and sluggish in body and mind.

Create a "them vs. me" mentality in all but one segment of society and convince those not on top that they can never succeed because "the man" will keep them down

Yup, these work, too.

We can succeed and overthrow the man through international proletarian socialist revolution! Yes we can!

Vive le Galt!


Oh, wait a minute: there's a new politroll thread under the sun!

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