Question for GMs who include sex in their games


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thejeff wrote:
Lorden wrote:
thejeff wrote:

I dunno, I don't really have any problems with sex in D&D or even bringing in STDs, but the whole giving a mechanical benefit for sex rubs me the wrong way.

It could be fun to play in world where magic (or at least some magic) is Tantric based, but as a generic thing, it just doesn't work for me. If players get a buff for it, they'll seek it out for the mechanical buff and deal with the consequences mechanically.

Rather than being embarrassed to ask for a cure, I imagine player weighing the potential costs of a cure disease against the buff from stopping by the brothel on the way to the dungeon.

Takes it so far out of character. Even in the classic sword and sorcery fiction, the wenching was the reward for risking your life, not something you did beforehand to improve your chances.

the thing is with the people im playing with, if sex is just an imaginary thing, and there isnt a real benefit to it, then it loses its appeal for the game. again, we dont RP so much, only when more or less it has to be done. we like the tactics, problem solving, mathematical and mechanical aspects of the game more.

it can be designed so that they players DONT want to stop by the brothel on their way to the dungeon every time, maybe the benefits wouldnt matter to them in a dungeon. maybe they get better prices on things in some places. maybe, just simply having sex doesnt guarantee you get that benefit, maybe you have to roll to see what you got from having sex. some good, some bad. maybe one day you get more strength cause you laid a super hottie, maybe you screwed an old hag and now have some kind of trait that makes people like you better cause they thought that was super funny.

possibly the PCs might only get an STD once in a blue moon from one town, and always get one from another (of course they wouldnt know this info, but through constant sex can track results and figure it out)

figure out what wouldnt work, and simply change it, find another way that could

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good point, i guess im thinking along the lines that at the table, they would give him s$+$ about it for real. at least thats how these guys are. they would bust his balls for coming down with something during the game, and if it meant that it created an unnecessary complication for the entire party somehow (meaning maybe the party couldnt take care of the problem themselves and had to seek out help) then i know these guys wouldnt be able to keep their mouths shut.

dont know, just thinking out loud.


Adamantine Dragon wrote:

I get that sex is an important part of real life, and the sexual activity (or lack thereof) has benefits or detriments to human health and behavior.

But our games tend to treat sex very casually. Meaning that every now and then a character will express an interest in a romantic dalliance with an NPC. My male witch is an addictive personality, he's addicted to drugs, alcohol, gambling, adrenaline and, yes, sex. In our last session he attempted to develop a romantic relationship with an NPC but failed. His reaction was to hire a couple of prostitutes for the night. The GM had him roll a fortitude check in the morning which he apparently passed since nothing horrible happened to him.

My 4e ranger is a bit of a cad and enjoys a bit of extracurricular activity on occasion. While on a mission in a strictly dragonborn area he managed to bed a dragonborn female. The GM ruled that he had "lizard-burn" in the morning, which the group thought was hilarious.

But mechanics around it? Man, statting that all up and putting it on paper would take most of the fun out of role playing it.

it just might, i dont know. im just gonna explore the mine before i declare it abandoned :-)


Women weaken legs!


There is the diagonse disease spell in ultimate magic. If you cast that on your partner you provide them with a service and don't get a disease.


Aoann wrote:

But its like "cute human of the opposite sex walks by"

ok, I hump it!
I don't think much would embarrass these guys. we just don't usually go into details. usually its followed by "ok fine, moving right along - one hour later"

A guy in my game (who I've gamed with for 25 years or so) actually wanted me to describe the genitals of a prostitute that his monk wanted to have sex with. It just floored me that a guy in his 40s was serious about something like that. I refrained from pointing out that maybe that's the reason he'd only had one date/hook up in his entire life for fear of hurting the feelings of the guy in our group who's never had a date in his life. But at least that guy doesn't require something as juvenile and puerile as that.

There. I may have said something offensive. Can't find a darn to give about it, either.


Andrea1 wrote:
Urizen wrote:

But I admit that I do want dilute my thoughts with brain bleach for ever thinking of a Twi'lek and a Gamorrean having conjugal relations in the first place. I can only imagine that Twi'lek courtesan remarking to her Gamorrean Ned Beatty to squeal like a pig in Deliverance style fashion.

<shudders, rocks back and forth in a corner>

Amusing, but I doubt that Twi'leks are compatible with other races and are kept on as dancers and 'Molls' (Woman who hangs onto the arm of a gang lord). Unless lore says other wise

For the sake of curiosity (following your remark), I did reference the Star Wars wiki (Wookieepedia). Under the Society & Culture subheader, prostitution is mentioned.


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Urizen wrote:
Andrea1 wrote:
Urizen wrote:

But I admit that I do want dilute my thoughts with brain bleach for ever thinking of a Twi'lek and a Gamorrean having conjugal relations in the first place. I can only imagine that Twi'lek courtesan remarking to her Gamorrean Ned Beatty to squeal like a pig in Deliverance style fashion.

<shudders, rocks back and forth in a corner>

Amusing, but I doubt that Twi'leks are compatible with other races and are kept on as dancers and 'Molls' (Woman who hangs onto the arm of a gang lord). Unless lore says other wise
For the sake of curiosity (following your remark), I did reference the Star Wars wiki (Wookieepedia). Under the Society & Culture subheader, prostitution is mentioned.

And we know they have pornography--haven't you seen the holiday special?


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Lorden wrote:
prostitution has been around for ever. to not have SOMETHING in the games that the PCs can explore, at least to me, seems kinda unrealistic. maybe the PCs dont take advantage of it every game, maybe almost never. but by providing the resources surrounding this, to me, just keeps things interesting and fun to see where things end up. Provided the environment is right for it.

I have included sex in my games plenty of times, and it can be an interesting plot device. However, graphic depictions of sex are something I admittedly shy away from. Instead, most of it is fade-to-black sort of things. Noting the relationships of the PCs with NPCs and so forth. Sometimes sexual violence is alluded to with more mature players, which if used correctly can add to certain stories (but should be used sparingly).

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but remember, im still new to this and maybe what im talking about just wont translate into the game as well as i imagine it would.

The best advice I could give is don't overdo it. Alluding to something, infrequently, can be a good way to test the waters. Including a flirtatious NPC can see if your PCs are interested in starting a romance with one of the characters in the story. Most of all, don't make sex the point. Sex can lead to things happening, such as NPCs growing attached to the PCs, relatives trying to coax the PCs into settling down and marrying proper, and so forth. Often, romances between capable individuals might even blend in with the main adventure instead of a side-adventure (a romantic partner might make for a great cohort for example).

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id like to present situations like in real life. getting an STD is going to be embarrassing, so if i can create that for the players, and see how they are going to handle it, i think would be cool. maybe one guy doesnt care what people think of him, simply tells a spellcaster whats going on and gets it taken care of when it rears its ugly head. maybe they hide it, ultimately to the detriment of the group which causes problems for everyone until the group finally finds out whats going on.

Oh please, please, I beg you, do not overuse the STD trope. Hell, I'd almost recommend sweeping it under the rug (no pun intended) entirely. STDs rarely add anything to the game, and while annoying to serious dangers in reality, most people really don't care to hear about how Robert the Red got his name from that rash and not from his hair.

If you must include STDs, then I'd consider making it more fantastic. For example, if one of the brothel ladies turns up a while later as a zombie, haven fallen to the weight of plague-zombie fever, then the party PC might begin to wonder if he should get checked out. If you want to introduce dangerous elements of sleeping with strange people, then I'd recommend doing it in a way that's a little more haunted rather than rash-like. A dryad who becomes too attached, a succubus who toys with the PCs, a vampire who has taken a liking to a PC, or a powerful jealous rival are way more interesting than getting crabs.

Remember, it's Dungeons & Dragons, not Harpies & Herpes. :P

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maybe a player gets raped by a succubus, winds up getting something. or introduce a brothel in a town that receives a lot of visitors, and they murder the guests to steal their wealth along with giving them a deadly STD just in case one gets away, he will eventually succumb to the deadly disease and thus be unable to pass along vital information about the true nature of that house.

First off, you might want to go easy on the "getting raped by a succubus" deal. Rape is something that is a touchy subject, and is enough of a major factor in a character's history that I would make good and sure that the player was fine with such things beforehand. That being said, I doubt succubi would rape folks. Most of them have charms and are pretty darn good at getting people to at least think they want it. Using succubi in such brutish manners is also really cheapening the majesty of them as villains as well. They can be a ton of fun, and very devious and frightening, but being rape-monsters kills a lot of their mystique.

Also, I seriously think you're a bit too fixated on this STD thing...

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i dunno, i like options. and i think presenting PCs with out of nowhere complications to see how they handle it would be fun.

i guess a question is, if your PC were to come down with some kind of STD that may have some kind of embarrassing side effects, would you tell the group? or would you try to handle it on your own?

Again, way too fixated on STDs here. Why is that? You say you like options, but you keep on with the STDs. There are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more things that the inclusion of sexual encounters or at least attractions can add to the game without it becoming a game of Pork & Pray.

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if there were a good enough buff that lasted maybe a full day (kinda like in real life you would be a little happier that day from being stimulated the night before) that PCs would actually take advantage of?

Endure Elements lasts 24 hours and allows you to do it in the rain, snow, sleet, or shine. Enlarge/Reduce Person can be made permanent. Prestidigitation can be used to clean and flavor anything. A resetting grease trap more or less nullifies size penalties when defending in a grapple. Unseen servant lasts hours per level. Animate dead has been used by at least one famous Pathfinder NPC for purposes that people wish were more unusual. Alter self on a ring or similar can make your familiar turn into a human. Beast Shape I-III lasts hours when it's a druid, and some people are into that sort of thing. Planar Binding beats the hell out of the internet for meeting sexy singles. Lay on hands could be figurative. Bardic Performance doesn't require singing and dancing. Animate rope and web are spells no wizard should be without. Simulacrum can make a copy of anything or anyone (including yourself) that obeys your commands (no matter what they be). I'm pretty sure there is some use for true strike if women's magazines are to be believed. Haste can be useful for the final stretch, just avoid friction burns. Locate object might be useful if you were drunk that night. Invisibility has a long duration and might be fun. Spider climb for the adventurous. Contrary to expectations, tongues is not for this. Water breathing is for the adventurous or the damn skilled. Bestow curse might have strange uses for making people too-sensitive. Hold person/monster should always be consensual. Invisibility sphere for when you just can't wait...

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maybe its time to check myself into a clinic.

Presumably for STDs. They seem to be floating everywhere...


Thefurmonger wrote:

Yes, look for the 3.5 Book of Erotic Fantasy.

Do not look at the pictures, they are not well done.

It has all the rules you are after, prestige classes, spells, equipment....

I will say it is NOT a good book, it is NOT a helpful book at all (IMHO) and it is NOT a book I own or would ever want to use in a game.

but if your heart is set on this sort of thing, thats the book for you.

That's a pretty strong opinion for a book you don't own...

I own it. I haven't used it much in-game, but it was a gift(from me) for my wife when we got married.

I haven't thoroughly poured through it, but at a glance it has pretty much what you're looking for, in a decent classy way. Believe me, there are books out there WAY worse. There's one called "Nymphology" that's nothing more than a book of d*ck and fart jokes.


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DM: So your having relations with the bar wench, when suddenly . .

Make a fortitude save . . Fail? Oh well the bar wench is disappointed.


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The things I like most about the Book of Erotic Fantasy, is that it takes the time to talk about all the thing associated with sex, not just the act itself. It goes into great detail telling how humanoid races view relationships, what they look for in a mate, and how they likely interact with other races. Also, pregnancy rates and possibility of conception between humanoid races. This is handy info, and not just "Eww boobs!" awkward.


You guys are lucky sex can happen somewhat "normally" in your campaigns.

I usually have to interject the following sentence into my sessions:
"You know, if you keep murdering the hooker when you're done, eventually someone's going to send someone after you."

You don't even want to know about the time they were in the underworld and they found an angel chained to a rock.


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This thread has precious little mention of the most useful roleplaying element of sex.

Offspring!

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My own experience is that if your players aren't going out of their way to include romance & sex in their roleplaying, then introducing rules for it as the GM is generally not going to encourage them and may make people uncomfortable.


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One of my current PCs is the offspring of one of my earlier PCs and an NPC.


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VRMH wrote:

This thread has precious little mention of the most useful roleplaying element of sex.

Offspring!

My younger brother played a Charismatic bard who through a series of unfortunately violent events ended up with a kyton in his possession. The kytons were fighting the party on behalf of a BBEG in a room that was much like a meat storage room (lots of hooks on chains). Well the party overpowered the kytons and gibbed them (like literally smashed them into tiny miniscule bits), but they lacked any means to deal with their regeneration, so they kept forming back together like the T1000.

Anyway, the party ended up just capturing the regenerating kytons after the battle was over. Quite beaten, the kytons surrendered, since their boss was defeated and they had no clear way back to the infernal planes. The bard took a strange liking to one of them, and an odd romance ensued, with the bard tempting the kyton out of her usual sadism. It was clear a budding romance was occurring between the two, but it never got as far as a fade-to-black moment.

However, my brother has requested the option to play a half-fiend or similar character who is either the son/daughter or descendant of his bard and the kyton from that game; which I have more or less pre-approved.


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I always said no to sex in RPG's till I saw the D&D episode of NBC's Community. Annie really brought me around to the idea...

You tube video Link

Safe for work, but you might get caught laughing to loudly.

-MD


This will probably be the only thread I'll ever be able to pull this out, so...If you're looking for a 'good' time try the 1 on 1 adventure #6.66, The Pleasure Prison of the B'thuvian Demon Whore from Expeditious Retreat Press.

Krunk, the pre-generated character for the adventure has 18s in all of his ability scores; futhermore, he has a +4 studly bonus to charisma provided by the legendary loincloth of Dhavar-K'tlar, which also provides a +6 armor bonus.

Alayshia, the B'thuvian demon whore, resides on the plane of Naughty with her entourage of succubi and chocolate golems.


Lakesidefantasy wrote:

This will probably be the only thread I'll ever be able to pull this out, so...If you're looking for a 'good' time try the 1 on 1 adventure #6.66, The Pleasure Prison of the B'thuvian Demon Whore from Expeditious Retreat Press.

Krunk, the pre-generated character for the adventure has 18s in all of his ability scores; futhermore, he has a +4 studly bonus to charisma provided by the legendary loincloth of Dhavar-K'tlar, which also provides a +6 armor bonus.

Alayshia, the B'thuvian demon whore, resides on the plane of Naughty with her entourage of succubi and chocolate golems.

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so long as it doesnt become this i wouldnt see a problem
awkward moment


Ashiel wrote:
Lakesidefantasy wrote:

This will probably be the only thread I'll ever be able to pull this out, so...If you're looking for a 'good' time try the 1 on 1 adventure #6.66, The Pleasure Prison of the B'thuvian Demon Whore from Expeditious Retreat Press.

Krunk, the pre-generated character for the adventure has 18s in all of his ability scores; futhermore, he has a +4 studly bonus to charisma provided by the legendary loincloth of Dhavar-K'tlar, which also provides a +6 armor bonus.

Alayshia, the B'thuvian demon whore, resides on the plane of Naughty with her entourage of succubi and chocolate golems.

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I'll second that.


Buddah668 wrote:
Ashiel wrote:
Lakesidefantasy wrote:

This will probably be the only thread I'll ever be able to pull this out, so...If you're looking for a 'good' time try the 1 on 1 adventure #6.66, The Pleasure Prison of the B'thuvian Demon Whore from Expeditious Retreat Press.

Krunk, the pre-generated character for the adventure has 18s in all of his ability scores; futhermore, he has a +4 studly bonus to charisma provided by the legendary loincloth of Dhavar-K'tlar, which also provides a +6 armor bonus.

Alayshia, the B'thuvian demon whore, resides on the plane of Naughty with her entourage of succubi and chocolate golems.

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I'll second that.

Thirded. Personally though, I think the Test of Fetters, Goats and Lard in the CoC adventure Sex Slaves of Yog-Sothoth was more extreme.

Muad'Dib wrote:

I always said no to sex in RPG's till I saw the D&D episode of NBC's Community. Annie really brought me around to the idea...

You tube video Link

Safe for work, but you might get caught laughing to loudly.

-MD

Truly, I have not the words.

Shadow Lodge

Lakesidefantasy wrote:
If you're looking for a 'good' time try the 1 on 1 adventure #6.66, The Pleasure Prison of the B'thuvian Demon Whore from Expeditious Retreat Press.

I believe it was updated to Pathfinder in the One-on-One Compendium.


I have a sex score for each PC in THAT kind of game. It = best ability modifier +2 for every skill you have 5 ranks in. (the idea being that virtually every skill with a bit of thought can be an enhacement to sex.) Each part rolls d20, hilarity ensues.


It's been my experience that STD's — mostly of the fantastic sort — are usually the GM's tool to "handle" the one player in every group who wants to play the carousing bard or the slutty sorcerer (almost always played by a guy!) and needs to learn that not every barmaid or captain of the guard is a target for his or her seduction, no matter how high the charisma bonus is.

(See "Gamers 2: Dorkness Rising" for an example of said bard.)

I had one player in a game group who played a "pretty half-orc." Don't ask me how a half-orc could be pretty. Anyway, the GM made sure that the town clerk he seduced got pregnant, and that the cuckolded husband came looking for answers.


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TheBigBlueFrog wrote:

It's been my experience that STD's — mostly of the fantastic sort — are usually the GM's tool to "handle" the one player in every group who wants to play the carousing bard or the slutty sorcerer (almost always played by a guy!) and needs to learn that not every barmaid or captain of the guard is a target for his or her seduction, no matter how high the charisma bonus is.

(See "Gamers 2: Dorkness Rising" for an example of said bard.)

I had one player in a game group who played a "pretty half-orc." Don't ask me how a half-orc could be pretty. Anyway, the GM made sure that the town clerk he seduced got pregnant, and that the cuckolded husband came looking for answers.

I had a similar issue where I was the seducing one.

Luckily I was NE, so when the husband came calling I just murdered him, payed an evil cleric to abort the fetus and ran away into the night.


I think our GM just scared the guy, and then it turned out that the husband and the clerk were running a scam. It was funny to see him squirm.

I've read through the Book of Erotic Fantasy and the Book of Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. There's also one called Sisters of Rapture. Like someone said, they're more about readability than playability. I think Sisters of Rapture even had a followup volume.

The Book of Unlawful Carnal Knowledge By Azamor is the crunchiest of the three sources. It has very little art, and lots of random generation tables. It includes sections on simple skill checks, extra sex-related skills, feats and spells, prestige classes, pregnancy & birth, STDs, magic items, monsters and two javascript based cut-n-paste generators. One is for prostitutes and the other one generates periodicals with names like "Lusty Lizardfolk Lingerie."


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TheBigBlueFrog wrote:

I think our GM just scared the guy, and then it turned out that the husband and the clerk were running a scam. It was funny to see him squirm.

I've read through the Book of Erotic Fantasy and the Book of Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. There's also one called Sisters of Rapture. Like someone said, they're more about readability than playability. I think Sisters of Rapture even had a followup volume.

The Book of Unlawful Carnal Knowledge By Azamor is the crunchiest of the three sources. It has very little art, and lots of random generation tables. It includes sections on simple skill checks, extra sex-related skills, feats and spells, prestige classes, pregnancy & birth, STDs, magic items, monsters and two javascript based cut-n-paste generators. One is for prostitutes and the other one generates periodicals with names like "Lusty Lizardfolk Lingerie."

The Lusty Argonian Maid?


More like "Succulent Kobold Strongholds."

Silver Crusade

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I've come to the sad conclusion that sex is no reliable replacement for dice when it comes to seeing if actions succeed or not. Too many sharp bits on the table during typical play as well.

Silver Crusade

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Buddah668 wrote:
Ashiel wrote:
Lakesidefantasy wrote:

This will probably be the only thread I'll ever be able to pull this out, so...If you're looking for a 'good' time try the 1 on 1 adventure #6.66, The Pleasure Prison of the B'thuvian Demon Whore from Expeditious Retreat Press.

Krunk, the pre-generated character for the adventure has 18s in all of his ability scores; futhermore, he has a +4 studly bonus to charisma provided by the legendary loincloth of Dhavar-K'tlar, which also provides a +6 armor bonus.

Alayshia, the B'thuvian demon whore, resides on the plane of Naughty with her entourage of succubi and chocolate golems.

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I'll second that.

Just to restore some faith in humanity, it's a "Defictionalized" product from that Fear of Girls Youtube video from years back. I'm guessing it's written in character since the GM from that video has the writer's credit.

...that video got really awkward at points. Like the Community scene times a large number. It's his face when he twists that shirt...

Umbral Reaver wrote:
The Lusty Argonian Maid?

Elder Scrolls genetics and reproduction rules are weird. Tracing lineage has go to be a nightmare at times in that setting.


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I would second the concern of rape in a DnD game, having seen it end poorly in a game. One player I saw ran in tears because her rogue was raped by the party paladin who was dominated by the part wizard. Rape just really makes things awkward.

Honestly, since your players are clearly not interested in the RP aspect of sex beyond "I seduce the bar wench!", I see no point in trying to force a mechanical benefit from it. It's the same reason why you don't regain health from eating. Just another ruleset that isn't very necessary.

Muad'Dib wrote:

I always said no to sex in RPG's till I saw the D&D episode of NBC's Community. Annie really brought me around to the idea...

You tube video Link

Safe for work, but you might get caught laughing to loudly.

-MD

No words... should have sent a poet XD

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Ashiel wrote:
Lakesidefantasy wrote:

This will probably be the only thread I'll ever be able to pull this out, so...If you're looking for a 'good' time try the 1 on 1 adventure #6.66, The Pleasure Prison of the B'thuvian Demon Whore from Expeditious Retreat Press.

Krunk, the pre-generated character for the adventure has 18s in all of his ability scores; futhermore, he has a +4 studly bonus to charisma provided by the legendary loincloth of Dhavar-K'tlar, which also provides a +6 armor bonus.

Alayshia, the B'thuvian demon whore, resides on the plane of Naughty with her entourage of succubi and chocolate golems.

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As Mikaze says, it is taken from those video's and it is done in a amusing way. The video's are funny as well, especially the second set where they get some girls to play with them.


Odraude wrote:

I would second the concern of rape in a DnD game, having seen it end poorly in a game. One player I saw ran in tears because her rogue was raped by the party paladin who was dominated by the part wizard. Rape just really makes things awkward.

Honestly, since your players are clearly not interested in the RP aspect of sex beyond "I seduce the bar wench!", I see no point in trying to force a mechanical benefit from it. It's the same reason why you don't regain health from eating. Just another ruleset that isn't very necessary.

Muad'Dib wrote:

I always said no to sex in RPG's till I saw the D&D episode of NBC's Community. Annie really brought me around to the idea...

You tube video Link

Safe for work, but you might get caught laughing to loudly.

-MD

No words... should have sent a poet XD

Depends on the players.

An old DM of mine wanted to run an entire campaign in his version of the underworld.

The campaign began with all our characters being raped and murdered and it ended up being one of the most memorable campaigns we ever did.

I ended up being a lord of hell and the guy who raped my character was gifted to me upon his death.

I used necromantic and healing magic to wall paper my throne room in his flesh... his still living flesh, attached to his still working brain, and he could feel EVERYTHING. I installed his working mouth in my throne as an ashtray.


TOZ wrote:
There is also the Encyclopaedia Arcane, Nymphology: Blue Magic from Mongoose Publishing.

+1 Blue Magic has some pretty funny (and sracastic) comments about magic in games in general and is well worth the read.


How did my light hearted link to Annie showcasing her role playing abilities end up in a thread about rape?


Muad'Dib wrote:

How did my light hearted link to Annie showcasing her role playing abilities end up in a thread about rape?

Oh nothing at all. Was just commenting on the OP saying "maybe a player gets raped by a succubus..." part. I just also liked your video and kept it as one post...


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To the OP since we seem to have gotten a bit off topic.

Again, not trying to judge you or your players, but you seem to be forcing an issue here.

The way I'm reading things, your players seem to be a bit more ROLL play oriented and a bit less ROLE play oriented. You seem to be interested in introducing sex into the campaign for yet another way to provide your players a numerical buff for their characters and/or a way to give one of your players crap.

Honestly, there's about a million and 1 ways to add buffs to characters other than through the act of sex, and if you really need more excuses to give a guy crap, explore better scenarios if you can't find a good way to put a player in an awkward position that his buddies are going to laugh at him about. Just remember, a 1 rolled on a D20 is all the DM needs to scar his players for life (note I didn't say "characters"). :)

If you feel your players are receptive to someone catching an STD and spending a gaming night trying to fix it, then by all means play out the scenario...I can't imagine it'd be hard for a gaming group interested in this kind of story to find one of them to be the unwilling victim...there's very little need to look up or research rules on bonuses and penalties for STD's if this is the basis for your night's adventures. Stand them in a whore house, flaunt the most naughty and hot things of interest in front of them: one of the PC's will take the bait, and your adventure begins. No need for tables of rolls and the draw of battle buffs.

If, however, it IS a sideline thing which, in your campaign and group, breaks down to nothing more than a benefit/determent system (this is what it sounds like reading your posts), I'm questioning the real need to bring this into the game.

Let me put it this way? Why Sex and STDs? Why not a buff from eating good food at a tavern or a determent for food poisoning? Why not a buff for visiting the town priest and praying to their gods, or a determent for being tricked into praying to the wrong gods? What is it about "Sex" and "STDs" is drawing you to that plot mechanism for your bonuses and penalties?

If the answer, as it sounds like in your posts, is you want one of your players characters to catch an STD so the party will give him real life crap about it, I'll give you the advice to get a bit more creative.

A Pissed Magician + Charm Person + Women's Lengere/Clothing + A VERY public place will get you the same thing without introducing an entirely new rule set to your campaign.


It's possible to work things into a character's story without getting into too much detail. One character I played was an elven bard who joined the adventuring party because he had a few too many jealous husbands looking to inflict some retribution.


Ahhhh... that Demon Whore adventure sounds sooo interesting. Such a shame that I'm poor and too cheap to buy it... ;(

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I just ran into this little gem and thought of this discussion.

I personally shy away from sex in a game. As a player and as a GM I make it clear that when the occasion arises it is best left to imagination.

The character I am planning for Skull and Shackles is going to be setting aside a small amount of treasure to have three to five wenches constantly hired to stay in his cabin or follow him around. I don't plan on actually doing any erotic role playing with them, but it will be pretty clear what they are for.


CalebTGordan wrote:

I just ran into this little gem and thought of this discussion.

I personally shy away from sex in a game. As a player and as a GM I make it clear that when the occasion arises it is best left to imagination.

The character I am planning for Skull and Shackles is going to be setting aside a small amount of treasure to have three to five wenches constantly hired to stay in his cabin or follow him around. I don't plan on actually doing any erotic role playing with them, but it will be pretty clear what they are for.

Oh wow. I think that's the second most sexist RPG document I've seen after FATAL.

Liberty's Edge

BoEF does have some good stuff in there, but it really should have been more of a DMG type book rather than a splat book. Some spells and items are good though.

And doesnt every group use leadership to bring their sex partner along on adventures?

Scarab Sages

FATAL is awful and offensive to the point where I don't even get any pleasure out of mocking it.


Coridan wrote:
And doesnt every group use leadership to bring their sex partner along on adventures?

I use Leadership almost always to get my character a harem.

Silver Crusade

Lorden wrote:

are there any books out there which include things like this?

Yes there is.

The subject is not treated well by anyone. All the 3rd Party books about sex is really lampooning the subject. The Book of Erotic Fantasy is the only book that treats it half-ways decent. The Majority of Rules for Fornicating Under the Command of the King are lampooned and treated with such silliness that you'll wonder if the writers love dancing around the bush. The reason why sex is treated this way is because it's such a taboo in our culture, but our culture puts it on display because it sells products.

There is much confusion on the subject in American culture that really no body in the Industry can treat it with 100% seriousness. It's best to read books written for twelve year olds on the birds and the bees. They are the only books that cover the reproductive act of our species with any seriousness. With a little statistics on human beings -- like how long the female is fertile and the little details on how many babies of what sex is born -- you can figure out your own rules on how long a woman is in estrus, the percentage of fertility, and other details.

The Netbook for AD&D for the subject is really the best information you can get anywhere, and it's downloadable from the Net for free.


Fleshgrinder wrote:
LazarX wrote:
doc the grey wrote:

Other thing you may want to remember is that Lycanthropy is presented as sexually transmittable in a lot of myth. Nothing like having your barbarian wake up a few nights after a trip to the brothel surrounded by the corpses of his new found victims.

Edit: also mummy rot. I hope this one doesn't require much explanation.

I'm going to Brain Bleach this entire thread.
See, I read the same post and was about to start drawing a picture of a werewolf, a mummy, a swing, a tutu... never mind.

Oh Fleshginder, you beautiful mind you, i want to take you into my home and kiss you, and never ever let you leave again... ;P


While I haven't run into sex in my games (& admittedly haven't read the entire thread), I do remember seeing a kickstarter that got funded for "The Book of Passion" which seems like it'd be another third-party book that'd be about what you're looking for. I'm not sure about it's current status of completion, but it might be something to look up / keep an eye on.


Generally I avoid it. Sex is a topic where you probably don't understand your players PoVs, and worse, people tend to have strong opinions about it. I'm not discussing sex with my RPG buddies, so I don't know if someone is into loose sex, or into one or more kinks, or whatever, and frankly I have no desire to know what their sexual interests are, and they (presumably) have no desire to know what my sexual interests are.

We're all guys in my group at the moment (sadly), so that gets awkward right there, with a male PC wanting to RP sleeping with a female NPC who is run by a male GM. I figure (if we had female players) talking too much about sex would repel female gamers, some of whom have probably been hit on creepily "in game" (eg it's in-character, so the harasser claims that this is "okay" even though it's not).

I don't think D&D is the right time of game for sex-based buffs anyway. You want something with narrative tools, like Fate or Mutants & Masterminds, for that.

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