The character creation system isn't in question I don't think. All the players would have used the same generation system. The question is...
now what?
Have you had a conversation with the other players to find out what the problem is?
IF not, then we are just typing to see out own words.
Find out what the problem is specifically and then deal with it.
I think it is very likely that the rolling system was more generous than 4d6 drop the lowest. The chance of rolling a 55 point buy using that rolling system is about 0.2%, yes that decimal is in the right place.Are you sure? Those odds are way better than I thought. Those are a bit below the odds of rolling two 20s in a row--quite unlikely, but still possible. Or is it three 20s? I don't understand probability. Either way, it's happened.
Yes, it is very similar to rolling two natural 20's in a row. It certainly does happen, but this is a tricky comparison since it has inherent confirmation bias (you remember that time you rolled 2x 20's a lot more than all the times you didn't).
Now consider that the OP has said that someone else rolled even higher stats. Again, it isn't impossible but it is very unlikely that they are using a standard 4d6 drop the lowest.
I simulated the rolls (generating ~1.5M stat arrays) because it very easy for me to make mistakes when calculating statistics like this directly.
@ Kalantra
It seems to me that the problem is the stats, not the build. I don't think making a new build will help unless you generate a more reasonable set of stats. IMO you could stick with the monk, but everyone should either reroll using the standard method or use point buy or array.
Is every other character getting savaged while the DM can't lay an NPC's finger on your character? If so, I can see how that would be frustrating. It makes it look like your PC isn't shouldering his share of the damage burden.I don't think the second part of that really makes sense. If you're being attacked, it means the enemies are essentially wasting their actions which benefits everyone else, and if they don't hit you it also benefits everyone else because it means there are more heals to go around for everyone else.
Then look at it this way. If you're playing a character who's always getting beat up and another character gets into the same scrapes but never suffers a scratch are you thinking, "Thank goodness he was there to waste the enemy's time and isn't taking up healing resources I need," or are you kind of resentful that you're constantly getting trashed while he just skates on by? I suspect the latter is a lot more likely.
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All of this "do what you want" advice is great if you are living in a vacuum. You're not. So even though doing what you want is fun for you, and you say the GM does not mind, expect him to start minding a lot when everyone else starts meeting with him in person, sending him emails, and giving him phone calls to complain.
Depending on what sort of GM he is, expect to have "the talk," or to simply find yourself on the street.
See, the game is about cooperation and mutual fun. Yes, you are a free individual who should have the right to do whatever you want to maximize your fun. IN THEORY. In practice, you do not function alone. Put it another way. I could decide tomorrow that "fun" for me involves shooting everyone I meet in the foot. But I suspect the police, society, doctors, the other people, the other people's families, and several psychiatrists would have something negative to say about my "fun."
Selfish people on the boards give selfish advice. Because you can do so anonymously when it's somebody else's friendships and game on the line. And because foolish minds try to "prove" foolish points. But there's no wisdom in such advice.
Change your character. It's just a game.
The most insane discrepancy is in the other group I run:
Sheela H the Mary-Sue Martial Artist
Str 16, Int 16, Wis 16, Dex 18, Con 16, Chr 17 (dual talent)
Chuffy the would-be Goblin Pathfinder
Str 7, Int 5, Wis 5, Dex 15, Con 6, Chr 3
Both players love their characters. Both do mannerisms, accents, and role-play their stats perfectly. The Chuffster is pretty damn useless at everything he does, but that's part of his charm.
Different strokes for different folks. And a good reason why I'll never use point buy.
A thing that I've noticed in this thread... people keep noting the excessively high stat array, but they ignore the part about lv.5 and a +str/wis item. That makes the stat array more like
Ignore, or didn't notice, because I just didn't notice since the stat array is posted seperately from that information. Honestly I wish people would clearly post what is going on in the OP rather than give important information out piece meal.
That array doesn't sound too unreasonable and I could see it being more common with the multiple rerolls Kalantra's DM was allowing. Now I wonder what the chances are that you'd get a 22 point array...
@Anlerran
You can do the same thing in point buy and there is the advantage that if a person cares about the power level of their character they can choose their preference. In a die rolling scheme I may want a weak character and roll a strong one or (more commonly) want a strong character and roll a weak one.
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I talked with the party today and they felt it was unfair because of my build being too good. In order to settle the matter I decided to play a wizard. I will have to build my monk with a different group of people. I just haven't ever played a monk so I figured I would give it a try since I rolled so well.
You play with retards.
Get a new group. OR you can educate them on how to build better than lax/suboptimal builds.I agree that some folks can "break" a game by over optimizing but... Being to well built that your party says you have to go?
They do realize that by you succeeding, they do as well?
Playing a wizard probably won't make them happy. They won't settle for less than a full-time healer/buffer from you.
+1 You're saying what I'm thinking.You play with retards.
Ditto from me Bltzkrg.
@Kalantra You made a good character. You shouldn't have to change your character because they feel it is too good. If you posted the full build we could probably help you tone it down while still keeping it's flavor. But it is your choice. Either way best of luck.
The most insane discrepancy is in the other group I run:
Sheela H the Mary-Sue Martial Artist
Str 16, Int 16, Wis 16, Dex 18, Con 16, Chr 17 (dual talent)
Chuffy the would-be Goblin Pathfinder
Str 7, Int 5, Wis 5, Dex 15, Con 6, Chr 3
Both players love their characters. Both do mannerisms, accents, and role-play their stats perfectly. The Chuffster is pretty damn useless at everything he does, but that's part of his charm.
Different strokes for different folks. And a good reason why I'll never use point buy.
I don't get why that's a good reason. Could I build a mage that only prepares defensive spells and still join your group because of the "charm" of my character? If someone wants to make a bad character don't let rolls decide that for them.
@OP Anyways, what's the point of having ac that high?
I've had players with builds like this. I didn't resent the builds; what I resented was the player's attitude, and that they always demanded attention and nitpicked every turn, as well as the fact they lorded their apparent invulnerability over everyone else. Do you do this? If you are a nice person, and are acting in a courteous fashion, most players don't care.
If you are being kind, then look at the other theories. I'm not saying this because I assume you're a mean player, but some people are and nobody tells it to their face, and instead focus their irritation on other facets, like an astronomical ac.
I talked with the party today and they felt it was unfair because of my build being too good. In order to settle the matter I decided to play a wizard. I will have to build my monk with a different group of people. I just haven't ever played a monk so I figured I would give it a try since I rolled so well.
Why in the world would switching to a Wizard be preffered? Is the team melee heavy? If so, I can see them being a little jealous of your AC and high stats, but switching to a Wizard just leaves room to go even more power-crazy. I've seen caster builds that can basically nuke the BBEG in a turn or two, as long as he's level appropriate.
OK after seeing a build like this.
We really need to know what the rest of the party consists of to be helpful.
This thread seems strangely familiar...