Alright I am making a level 5 character for a campaign and I wanna make sure I'm doing this right. Because from my understanding it looks correct.
Human fighter/barbarian
Lv 1 fighter - two weapon warrior
Lv 1 feat: Two weapon fighting
Bonus feat: two weapon defense
Race feat: exotic prof ( bastard sword)
Lv 2 barbarian - Titan mauler
Class feature
-rage
-big game hunter
Lv 3 barbarian - titan mauler
Lv feat: dodge
Class feature
-jotun grip: allows wielded to wield a 2h'd weapon in one hand with a -2 on attack rolls
-rage power
Ok so here is wear I'm slightly confused and excited for the possibility
My feat allows me to one hand a medium sized bastard sword. But when I use a large one i have to 2h hand it and with jotun grip I can 1h it again. Do I just suffer from the -2 from jotun grip or do I suffer a total of -4 because it is Large bastard sword that I can normally wield one handed with no problem?
You suffer a -4 total. The first -2 is from it being large size. This doesnt change. The second -2 is from taking a 2handed weapon and using it with Jotungrip. You will suffer another -4 for Two-Weapon Fighting. This will become a total of a -8penalty.
- Gauss
But if I am using a handaxe. Medium sized light weapon I should only suffer a -6/-6 correct? Or a -6/-4?
You can not use 2-handed weapons for larger creatures are at all.
Jotungrip does not bypass that.
Jotungrip (Ex): At 2nd level, a titan mauler may choose to wield a two-handed weapon in one hand with a –2 penalty on attack rolls while doing so. The weapon must be appropriately sized for her, and it is treated as one-handed when determining the effect of Power Attack, Strength bonus to damage, and the like. This ability replaces uncanny dodge.
The ability only allows you to wield a 2-handed medium sized weapon as a one-handed weapon. That is why a lot of people don't really care for the archetype.
edit:I see you have exotic proficiency.
edit2:The weapon is still not the right size for you though. I hate debating myself. :)
Then you only suffer a -6/-2.
Large Bastard Sword: -2 for improperly sized weapon, -2 for Jotungrip, -2 for TWF with a light offhand weapon.
Light offhand weapon: -2 for TWF with a light offhand weapon. No other penalties.
- Gauss
Hmmm Concerro is right, I forgot about the 'appropriately sized for her' line is. While the RAI is probably to prevent someone from combining it with the Titan Mauler ability Massive Weapons it actually prevents you from doing exactly what you are doing.
- Gauss
I deleted my other post because I realized it was misleading. If you could do it then it would be -6/-2, but since the weapon is not the right size you can't use it with Jotungrip. As many times as I have pointed that out to others I should have remembered it.
Nooooo! Well I honestly don't know if the extra damage would be worth the -6 to afk rolls. I guess normal size bastard it is then.
Why a bastard sword at all? Why not stick to a Greatsword using Jotungrip?
- Gauss
You cannot do that Bloodlust. You can increase the size of a weapon but each increase also increases the relative size to you (light, one-handed, two-handed). If it increases it to 'greater than two-handed' it cannot be done.
With that said: you CAN use a Large Bastard Sword 2-handed (@ a -2penalty) IF you have the Exotic Proficiency Bastard Sword. But, you will be unable to use the Large Bastard Sword 1-handed.
Also: The Titan Mauler ability Massive Weapons is supposed to grant the ability to break this limitation. However, it does not actually do so.
- Gauss
Nooooo! Well I honestly don't know if the extra damage would be worth the -6 to afk rolls. I guess normal size bastard it is then.
It won't be. Actually anything beyond the -2 is most likely going to kill your DPR. Unless the bastard sword is purely for concept I would not use that either.
Well I was gonna go Titan mauler and use a large bastard sword. But I was thinking now just straight two weapon warrior archetype. But I'm debating the titan Mahler build with a Greatsword vs straight two weapon warrior. What to do!?
That -2 to hit does not seem like much, but it can have a big affect on DPR. If you go titan mauler and TWF you still end up with -4/-2. If the goal is to do damage then the TWF archetype is the best way to go. Actually a high crit weapon like the kukri does even more damage despite it's low base damage.
Doubling up on kukris gives the most damage. The weapon master archetype does more damage than the TWF archetype, and the core fighter.
The falcata and cestus is also not a bad combination. You can used the falcata 2-handed for the first attack, and then go into TWF mode with the cestus once you can get full round attacks in.
Massive weapons only gets to a maximum penalty of 2 doesn't it, so effectively wasting trap sense after level 6 ?
In best case it can get you a large bastard sword to wield 2 handed without penalty at level 6 for 2d8 damage, slightly better than a greatsword, at the cost of a feat. at it's base roughly equivalent to weapon specizlization but getting better with size increase. I guess that might be an aceptable exchange for trap sense still, I 'd probably change it in for a feat anytime.
jotun Grip is a near useless ability as written, not stacking in anyway with massive weapons and giving a -2 penalty to hit if using it for a little DPR increase on low AC targets, possibly..
How am I supposed to take advantage of jotun grip if it has to be appropriately sized? From what I am seeing only a Greatsword or other 2h weapons only. It sucks massive weapons and jotun grip don't work together. Where it seems it should.
How am I supposed to take advantage of jotun grip if it has to be appropriately sized? From what I am seeing only a Greatsword or other 2h weapons only. It sucks massive weapons and jotun grip don't work together. Where it seems it should.
Yeah, the Titan Mauler is a huge case of "Not what it says on the tin". It's supposed to be this archetype where you're amazing at fighting giants and other creatures, and you can swing truly massive weapons around. But instead it's better at fighting human-sized creatures and the biggest weapon you can use is a Huge sized dagger (and when have you ever seen one of those?), which is worse than a Medium sized greatsword.
Yea but you can't jotun grip the large sized bastard sword even with the ewp. Which is very lame. IMO there should be an errata on this. Allowing you to use weapons that are too big as long as you can wield them with the jotun grip class feature.