Then again look at gun violence in gun free zones in america and cities like chicago and NY compared to areas that guns are common and no big deal.
Again, across states. So yes, we did look at those. The correlation remained.
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But humans never have committed violence or ever will again without guns!!!!
A strawman? And here I was worried we'd be up against people with facts at their disposal.
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and look at how well that worksThen again look at gun violence in gun free zones in america and cities like chicago and NY compared to areas that guns are common and no big deal.Perhaps you should consider your cause and effect are reversed. NY and chicago did not decide to try to become gun free zones at random.
1) You are using this line of reasoning to suggest that gun bans increase crime when this is patently not the case. The high crime rates were there well before the gun ban, and the gun bans seem to drop crime a bit.
2) The local bans cannot be compared to a nationwide ban. Nothing prevents a gun from moving from the suburbs into Chicago or even from Atlanta to Chicago.
Yep the fact that removing one tool will not stop humans from killing
Binary thinking is horrible thinking. If it "only" results in 15,000 deaths instead of 30,000 i'm fine with that.
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and look at how well that worksThen again look at gun violence in gun free zones in america and cities like chicago and NY compared to areas that guns are common and no big deal.Perhaps you should consider your cause and effect are reversed. NY and chicago did not decide to try to become gun free zones at random.
1) You are using this line of reasoning to suggest that gun bans increase crime when this is patently not the case. The high crime rates were there well before the gun ban, and the gun bans seem to drop crime a bit.
2) The local bans cannot be compared to a nationwide ban. Nothing prevents a gun from moving from the suburbs into Chicago or even from Atlanta to Chicago.
Yep the fact that removing one tool will not stop humans from killing
Binary thinking is horrible thinking. If it "only" results in 15,000 deaths instead of 30,000 i'm fine with that.
If repealing freedom of speech or forcing religion would reduce deaths (even only maybe as gun control is a maybe) would you be in favor of that?
Yep the fact that removing one tool will not stop humans from killingBut humans never have committed violence or ever will again without guns!!!!A strawman? And here I was worried we'd be up against people with facts at their disposal.
We're not trying to stop humans from killing. We're trying to stop them from killing so many people.
Got any more impotent rhetoric to throw around?
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If repealing freedom of speech or forcing religion would reduce deaths (even only maybe as gun control is a maybe) would you be in favor of that?
Restricting firearms ownership doesn't curtail any meaningful freedoms. This is why many countries with comparatively strict gun control laws consistently rank higher than the United States on multiple freedom indices.
But, y'know, RAH RAH MERKA and all that.
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If repealing freedom of speech or forcing religion would reduce deaths (even only maybe as gun control is a maybe) would you be in favor of that?Restricting firearms ownership doesn't curtail any meaningful freedoms. This is why many countries with comparatively strict gun control laws consistently rank higher than the United States on multiple freedom indices.
But, y'know, RAH RAH MERKA and all that.
This is all lost on people like you. why do you not move to one of these utopias instead of trying to tear down the america that many of us love? We won't even try to stop you
So, the one in Las Vegas, they first killed two cops, then they killed someone who tried to stop them. The third victim was a concealed carry permit holder, who tried to stop them because he was armed. Their spree ended when the woman first killed her husband, than herself (the murders were a married couple).
Is "a good guy with a gun" really the best solution we can come up with? Because that seems to be of limited effectiveness. In fact, what ended this spree was the "bad guy with a gun".
For 2014, there have so far been 4,814 deaths due to gun violence, with an additional 8,513 injured.
Of the 18,000+ incidents:
646 have been home invasions
400 have been defensive
134 of them in Chicago, that is 2.78% of them. Chicago is 0.86% of the US population. (Good thing that the US doesn't have that rate, or there would be about 15,500 dead from gun violence.)
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This is all lost on people like you. why do you not move to one of these utopias instead of trying to tear down the america that many of us love? We won't even try to stop you
Because, happily, I have just as much claim to this country as you do. And, frankly, I've probably worked harder to make it into the country I love than you have.
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