I'm interested.
I have the concept of a Norse drunken brawler Monk that uses armor, so loses Monk AC bonus, fast movement, and Fluury of blows. Maybe take the VoP that people are nagging about, but I don't have UM (or any PF book I just use PRD), so I don't know what it does.
Any other information about the campaign concept?
Style of game, or any particular AP?
I just want to try a summoner broodmaster halfling really really badly with as many little "friends" as possible that look like stuffed animals. She's meant to be very childlike and innocent so no weapons or offensive spells for her. Merely sweetness, innocence, and a pack of rabid teddy bears.
*sigh* sadly you're not allowing UM as of yet. :(
I can do maps over maptools and paste the results rather quickly as I've been doing for my CoT game.
What about a Vow of Poverty Halfling Grappling Monk?
Big fan of the Ashardalon series and would be happy to start at level 1 or higher depending on what others are into.
It's a summoner that at lvl 2 adn beyond can split its eidolon into a bunch of smaller eidolons. Unfortuantely it also splits its skills, feats, and evolutions among them as well. Combine that with the fact that they don't heal naturally it can be a pain to keep them up.
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Interested in a game as well,
I got two ideas. First is a middle-aged or old Human or dwarf former town guard that goes through a mid life crisis and figures he needs to do something special before he dies. This one will be a fighter with the negatives from being older.
The second Idea will be a fallen pally that lost himself in the city night life and coming up on recent events is trying to repent from his life of sin and get back in the order. The race will probably be human but would like at least 2 levels so I could do second in rogue. Now he’s trying to do whatever it takes to get back in his gods good graces.
Let me know what you think Kenderkin or if you need me to add more to my concepts.
KenderKin - spent a few minutes throwing something together. I know you said no detailed concepts yet, but hey I was bored :P
Let me know if you like it and the other concepts you get enough to want to see anything more.
Strength: 8 -1
Dexterity: 18 +4
Constitution: 14 +2
Intelligence: 10 +0
Wisdom: 16 +3
Charisma: 12 +1
AC Bonus (Ex): add Wisdom bonus to AC and CMD.
Flurry of Blows (Ex)
Unarmed Strike: 1d4 damage
Monk Bonus Feat: Improved Grapple: no AoO when performing grapple. +2 on checks to grapple and CMD to resist grapple.
Stunning Fist (Ex)
Vow of Poverty
Feat: Agile Maneuvers: add Dex bonus to BAB and Size to determine CMB
Favored Class: Monk – add 1 to CMD when resisting grapple and +1/2 to number of stunning attacks per day
Trait: Equality for All (Andoran): +2 trait to CMB and CMD when facing opponents at least two sizes larger (p30 of Halflings of Golarion)
KenderKin - spent a few minutes throwing something together. I know you said no detailed concepts yet, but hey I was bored :P
Let me know if you like it and the other concepts you get enough to want to see anything more.
** spoiler omitted **
We should all make halflings or gnomes.
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This could be a lot of fun. I have a couple of ideas.
One, is a female suli-jann (Qadira book) aristocrat. Pretty, vacuous and the source of all trouble for the group. I've always wanted a good reason to use the trait - Keleshite Princess, and this may be the game for it.
Two, is an orc adept. One who foolishly challenged his clan's shaman and was left for dead. Making the best of a horrible situation, he limps along in a world of adventurers where his skills are always subpar to the task at hand. I would take the Adept Channel feat from Orcs of Golarion for this concept.
I also always liked the idea of a monk/pally. The VoP fits pretty well. I may even be able to swing it as gnome or halfling, to use Tark's suggestion.
Just slapped myself because I realized that I wasn't really getting into the proper de-optimizing spirit. Therefore I propose that my grappler also does the following:
1) Takes an extra hit to Strength down to 6 (hey, he's poor, not like he needs to carry much)
2) Takes Vow of Peace
3) Takes Vow of Fasting - which means no potions for him
4) Takes Vow of Chains - has shackles on wrists and legs (-1 to attack and AC, reduces movement by 10ft)
5) My 'item of value' is 50ft of hemp rope
@KenderKin - it's got me thinking that Level 1 probably isn't best. If we bump it up to Level 3 then our de-optimized concepts can probably be a little bit better defined. eg. Tark's eidolon can be split up at that stage.
So....CE scary little girl?
My latest idea that intrigued me was an Efreeti Cleric of Fire, with the Fire domain, of course, and their second domain being Ash or Smoke, depending on whether or not they were the type of character that showed at the beginning ("where there's smoke, there's Fire!") or generally ended things ("In my wake I leave ash in the name of the Holy Conflagration")
Development would largely depend on the group and the circumstances.
Hrm.. working with the Halfling or Gnome theme:
The aforementioned cleric could be a Gnome with an unhealthy fascination with fire-- but then again, gnomes and the bleaching...
Or a Halfling Order of the Dragon Cavalier (riding a Wolf), that was happy to find a group of adventurers of similar stature, and decided that they were a fine bunch to travel with.
Hrm.. that Cavalier might be too solid.. How about a halfling Paladin/Ninja? (sneaky in the name of Good!)
Absolutely LOVE the scary little girl.
1) Takes an extra hit to Strength down to 6 (hey, he's poor, not like he needs to carry much)
2) Takes Vow of Peace
3) Takes Vow of Fasting - which means no potions for him
4) Takes Vow of Chains - has shackles on wrists and legs (-1 to attack and AC, reduces movement by 10ft)
5) My 'item of value' is 50ft of hemp rope
6) Stack on the Monk of the Lotus archetype
That gives me a small size monk with a Str penalty, no gear, chains on his legs, inability to drink potions, can't take aggressive actions unless attacked, swapping Stunning Fist for Touch of Serenity.
Tactics would be to grapple, then pin, then tie up with rope. Aim to adventure without any ability to deal damage at all.
@TarkXT - I concur with Memori, little girl with rabid teddy bears is cool.
I think my monk would stay a monk from 1 thru 20, just picking up extra feats, etc to help him grapple.
At second level he has a speed of 10ft, and doesn't get his Ki pool yet (that kicks in at 3rd) - so there isn't much he can do apart from follow people around begging them to attack him so he can tie them up.
I have wanted to play a gnome character that like to making constructs. Like little mechanical birds. He would more than likely be a little crazy. The name is MiddlesBe McDougal.
Got an idea for a low DEX & CHA cavalier of the Order of the Cockatrice... would be from a human barbaric culture originally and wields a bastard sword [MW or magic depending on start level] but with the broken quality - his signature weapon... "The Ugly Edge".
At the start of play he'll have just lost his previous steed [tourney or battle gone wrong] and thus all the benefits it provides...
Know these unoptimizers are equipment or follower based tho...
Hrmm.. less power more creativity..
For Progression, the Cleric of Fire would alternate between Cleric and a Wizard of the Fire school, wanting to take Elemental Body I as soon as possible.
Or for contrast, the Cavalier was too solid a concept..
An elemental blooded Sorcerer(Fire) that suddenly finds himself an Oracle of waves. Turn it around, and you have an Oracle of Waves that is beginning to learn that his heritage is not from the ocean as he thought...
Wizard/Rogue
or just Rogue but take the feat that lets a person take magic crafting feats.
In the past I have always been told no by all the DMs. They tell me I can play an NPC Expert on my own time.
He is more or less a toy maker than starts making toys that have special powers.
Well I just need some build guidelines to get started.
Black Dow
I like the ugly edge.....Maybe a dogslicer?
What about a Hobgoblin Cavalier? ;)
Build guidelines!
Ok 25 point buy......
Post the full build as an alias, and then describe to me how unoptimized the character is.
Please try to refrain from stats under 10, unless race takes you down to an 8....but at least try!
Please stay away from the rich parents trait (it smells like optimization!)
It's not my fault daddy is rich! We come from a very long line of fabulously wealthy people who are also incredibly good looking. Why, daddy was just telling me how beautiful I am this very morning. You're just bitter because you're poor and don't know how good it is to be rich. If your family weren't so lazy, simple and plain, then perhaps you would be good enough to have money, too.
Standard wealth (no blowing it all on one purchase, unless it is an unoptimized purchase).....
Oh my god! That is so unfair! That dress perfectly matches my eyes. I had to have it! I know it's more than my allowance, but just look at it!
Build guidelines!
Please stay away from the rich parents trait (it smells like optimization!)
It's not my fault daddy is rich! We come from a very long line of fabulously wealthy people who are also incredibly good looking. Why, daddy was just telling me how beautiful I am this very morning. You're just bitter because you're poor and don't know how good it is to be rich. If your family weren't so lazy, simple and plain, then perhaps you would be good enough to have money, too.
Standard wealth (no blowing it all on one purchase, unless it is an unoptimized purchase).....Oh my god! That is so unfair! That dress perfectly matches my eyes. I had to have it! I know it's more than my allowance, but just look at it!
Sorry for the interruption but...
LOL! This is some great stuff! She looks like a fun character! This one would be absolute fun to run along side with! ;)
:D
Okie dokie. Will have my young lady up sometime friday at latest.
You could do that with Arshea, and work the "Physical Beauty" Area of Concern, probably better than Shelyn. :D
I've always wanted to play a mystic theurge which is already pretty unoptimized.
My one thought was to do an Oracle/Sorcerer/Mystic Theurge, it helps with the casting stat but delays even longer when you start as a mystic theurge,maybe with a race like Duergar (+2 Constitution, +2 Wisdom, –4 Charisma) or goblin (–2 Strength, +4 Dexterity, –2 Charisma)
Better yet maybe something like an Orc Mystic Theurge (+4 Strength, –2 Intelligence, –2 Wisdom, –2 Charisma ) Druid/Bard maybe? Pretty much any combo takes a hit
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You could do that with Arshea, and work the "Physical Beauty" Area of Concern, probably better than Shelyn. :D
Ooh, I wasn't aware of this deity. I think I would like to go with paladin of Arshea in place of aristocrat. There won't be any real changes. She will have a delicate longsword befitting a young lady of class and means as well as her heavy steel shield. The shield will, of course, have a mirror built into the upper portion of the inside to help her maintain her perfectly coiffed hair and to admire her fair complexion while the lower portion will contain the basket to hold, Buttons, her pomeranian guard dog.
I'm keeping the gown, slippers and trunk.
Apologies KenderKin am having to bow out of consideration here - just when I thought the decks were cleared in RL I've had a bunch of marking dumped on me [we're in uni exam mode here in the UK :(]
Will keep an eye on things as Mark and Drayen are fellow players who I'm having a blast with in other pbp games.
Thanks for the consideration tho'
Cheers
Gary
I'm out of this as well. While the ideas are good, I feel the focus on 'unoptimized' is making some go out of their way in the competition for spots.
I liked the idea of an "all small" party save for the pretty girl, but this is not quite what I was looking for.. I'll be reading from time to time, though.
*Presents Self*
So, not sure how such a creation would be 'retro fitted' into your game.
The current game for the character appears to have folded, more's the pity.
Awaiting comments etc. *Bows*
Xane, not certain if it is better to build a different character than try to retrofit this one.....
I will leave it up to you!
*Nods* So, you're starting at First level, right?
I have an idea for 'assuaging' Xane's Giant adjustment, if you will bare with my explanation?
Your opening comment was to,
"Is there a character you have wanted to try that everyone else says bad things about and tells you it is a bad idea?"
=)
*Bows* Much cheers to you and yours.
*Smiles* No, I can have Xane still be her large and Bodacious self, keep the 'Giant' and maybe start simple with Fighter. =)
Also, I have just lost my home computer to a crash, so connectivity for me will be an issue for the near future. I understand about slowing things down, so until I can get a machine back up and running, I don't mind being on the 'back burner'.
*Bows*