The Knight: Merging the Fighter and the Cavalier


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As far as I'm concerned, there's enough overlap between the Fighter and the Cavalier, that it should be possible to merge the two classes into a single class. Especially seeing as both classes are heavily-armored warriors with access to all Martial Weapons. The only major difference between the two classes is a matter of focus: the Cavalier is focused on mounted combat and "seizing aggro", while the Fighter is more of a general fighting machine and weapons master.

Since the Fighter has access to Bonus Feats, how difficult could it be to replace some of those with the appropriate-level Cavalier class ability? Or perhaps turn those abilities into Feats?


Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber

why don't you try a write up then we can help to refine it. It's your idea, so why don't you do some of the leg work.


Honestly... I don't see the need.

Like you said, the fighter gets the bonuses to heavy armor... they get the ride class skill... they get all the weapon a knight needs...

Unless you see the 'seizing Aggro' as INTEGRAL to the 'knight' concept... I'd say just use the Fighter.

Plate mail + sword/shield/lance... = knight.

At MOST I would say try to work up some kind of archtype for a few riding bonuses.. but I'm pretty sure all the Feats they get let them focus however they want ANYway...


The cavalier IS the knight. Knights generally rode on horseback. Knights had codes like the cavalier has a code.

You can easily build a knight with a fighter class ... but the cavalier class is specifically tailored to be a knight.


"Knight" is a honorific, to be given for service or for swearing fealty to a lord or a cause. I would restrict any class with the word "Knight" in it to a prestige class, Like the Hell Knights or Eagle Knights. Being called a Knight should be something the players work for, not just get at first level.


ArgentumLupus wrote:
"Knight" is a honorific, to be given for service or for swearing fealty to a lord or a cause. I would restrict any class with the word "Knight" in it to a prestige class, Like the Hell Knights or Eagle Knights. Being called a Knight should be something the players work for, not just get at first level.

I dunno, not every player starts out at level one as a bright-eyed young lad/lass ready to explore the world. Some of them can already be grizzled veterans. I know in the Eberron campaign setting almost every player has some kind of history in the Last War; the only difference between PCs and common soldiers is their luck and skill, and who's to say one of them hadn't been knighted from a 1st level warrior to then switch into ranks of fighter or cavalier?

Grand Lodge

Cavaliers are knights.


Puna'chong wrote:
ArgentumLupus wrote:
"Knight" is a honorific, to be given for service or for swearing fealty to a lord or a cause. I would restrict any class with the word "Knight" in it to a prestige class, Like the Hell Knights or Eagle Knights. Being called a Knight should be something the players work for, not just get at first level.
I dunno, not every player starts out at level one as a bright-eyed young lad/lass ready to explore the world. Some of them can already be grizzled veterans. I know in the Eberron campaign setting almost every player has some kind of history in the Last War; the only difference between PCs and common soldiers is their luck and skill, and who's to say one of them hadn't been knighted from a 1st level warrior to then switch into ranks of fighter or cavalier?

The player should still work for it. Even if s/he's already Knighted at first level, then they need to put some work into a back story to make it happen. Either way, make them earn their supp... I mean, Knighting.


Thorkull wrote:
Cavaliers are knights.

So is Sir Patrick Stewert and Sir Ian McKellen. :)


Well now I know my next two character concepts.


Cavalier comes from the French word Chevalier, which translates into English as: Knight.


lonewolf23k wrote:
Since the Fighter has access to Bonus Feats, how difficult could it be to replace some of those with the appropriate-level Cavalier class ability? Or perhaps turn those abilities into Feats?

Everything else aside, this pretty much covers it. Let the fighter trade his Bonus Feats for appropriate-level Cavalier abilities. He loses out on the versatility of Fighters getting all the feats (all of them!) but gets the Cavalier's "paint a bullseye on my forehead" tanking abilities and other tricks while keeping the Fighter's Bravery, Weapon and Armor Training, etc. Problem solved. =)

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