[Hero Lab] Version 6.18 of the Pathfinder files for Hero Lab is now available! Advanced Race Guide!


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Silver Crusade Lone Wolf Development

A new update of the Pathfinder files for Hero Lab is now available. This update adds content from the Advanced Race Guide in the new Advanced Race Guide package, available for $9.99.

For those of you with the Campaign Setting #8 package, Lost Kingdoms has been added as a free update of that package. For those of you who don't have that yet, it's available for $4.99. It currently contains Giants Revisited and Lost Kingdoms, and at least one other book from the campaign setting line will be added to it, as more books are published.

This update also adds player content from Pathfinder #57, and includes a few bug fixes.

If you're not familiar with Hero Lab, please head over to the Hero Lab page of our website. There, you can download Hero Lab in demo mode and give it a try. The only things you won't be able to do in demo mode are save and print (although you can see the print preview), so that you can give the program a thorough test before you decide to purchase it.

Another way to try out Hero Lab is with our Hero Lab for the Pathfinder Beginner Box program. This contains all the material from the Pathfinder Beginner Box, and allows you to save and print the characters you create.

Liberty's Edge

Does it support the custom race building rules?

Silver Crusade Lone Wolf Development

Suzaku wrote:
Does it support the custom race building rules?

Yes.

Sovereign Court

Awesome, I love Hero Lab and was waiting for the ARG package to be released. Excellend job!


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Thank you!


Darnit, I just purchased a laptop charger, and now I can't purchase this ;_;


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Wow, that was fast!

I love you guys. <sob> I love Hero Lab!

Thanks mucho.

Grand Lodge

Having looked at the custom race building rules and the ARG itself on Hero labs and the book... Hero Labs/Lone Wolf has outdone it again!! I am impressed and grateful!

Thanks!!

Shadow Lodge

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Thanks. One nitpick - the description of the Campaign Settings on the "purchase data packages" needs some minor tweaking. Campaign Setting #8 doesn't mention "Lost Kingdoms", and the Campaign Settings bundle talks about "all five campaign settings", which is slightly confusing.

I'll probably be buying ARG & CS8 soon. If, as I anticipate, I also end up purchasing the Bestiary package, I'll probably just throw in the two other $4.99 packages I'm missing so I'll have everything (at least until the next package comes along ...)


YES!

Grand Lodge

JohnF wrote:


Thanks. One nitpick - the description of the Campaign Settings on the "purchase data packages" needs some minor tweaking. Campaign Setting #8 doesn't mention "Lost Kingdoms", and the Campaign Settings bundle talks about "all five campaign settings", which is slightly confusing.

I'll probably be buying ARG & CS8 soon. If, as I anticipate, I also end up purchasing the Bestiary package, I'll probably just throw in the two other $4.99 packages I'm missing so I'll have everything (at least until the next package comes along ...)

they usually let you know what package a new supplement is coming out in so that if you remember it, it is not TOO confusing :)

They will fill the package in fairly soon though I am sure so there will be less :)

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

Boo-yah!

Liberty's Edge

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Regarding the custom race building: Is there a way to save a custom race into the database once you've created it, or do you have to re-build a custom race every time a character wants it?

I realize you can go into the editor and build one that way, but that's a little more advanced than the easy drop-down method implemented in the main Hero Lab.

Dark Archive

Reckless wrote:

Regarding the custom race building: Is there a way to save a custom race into the database once you've created it, or do you have to re-build a custom race every time a character wants it?

I realize you can go into the editor and build one that way, but that's a little more advanced than the easy drop-down method implemented in the main Hero Lab.

That's what i am looking for as well, I haven't played around to much but that would be a awesome feature.

I guess you could save it as a portfolio and save it as "Stinky Elf" and just use a copy of it whenever you want to use your custom race.

Silver Crusade Lone Wolf Development

Reckless wrote:

Regarding the custom race building: Is there a way to save a custom race into the database once you've created it, or do you have to re-build a custom race every time a character wants it?

I realize you can go into the editor and build one that way, but that's a little more advanced than the easy drop-down method implemented in the main Hero Lab.

I'm afraid there isn't (other than bigkilla's work-around of saving a portfolio that contains only the race). If you want to use a race many times, you can create it in the editor (Tools menu...Launch Editor), so that it's always available as a race.


So for those that have messed around with it, how easy is it to create a new race, like Dragonborn for example? Simple enough to figure out?

Silver Crusade

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Thanks, Wolflair!

Liberty's Edge

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King Stag wrote:
So for those that have messed around with it, how easy is it to create a new race, like Dragonborn for example? Simple enough to figure out?

Very easy, really, you just choose Basic, Advanced, or Monstrous custom race and then select each feature from there on drop-downs. Hero Lab adds up the points and keeps you from selecting illegal features based on type and prerequisites.


The custom race building is super-easy; nice job!

Liberty's Edge

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Mathias Gehl wrote:
Reckless wrote:

Regarding the custom race building: Is there a way to save a custom race into the database once you've created it, or do you have to re-build a custom race every time a character wants it?

I realize you can go into the editor and build one that way, but that's a little more advanced than the easy drop-down method implemented in the main Hero Lab.

I'm afraid there isn't (other than bigkilla's work-around of saving a portfolio that contains only the race). If you want to use a race many times, you can create it in the editor (Tools menu...Launch Editor), so that it's always available as a race.

Yeah, the editor would work, but requires a bit more Hero Lab mastery than I currently possess. I guess I will create my races using Bigkilla's suggestion, with the addition of a "Race_(insert race name here)" name so they're easier to find.

Thanks for the quick reply.

Sczarni

So, for those of us keeping score at home, what would it currently cost to buy "The Whole Kielbasa", i.e. all of the HeroLab Pathfinder packages all at once?

Silver Crusade

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Trinite wrote:
So, for those of us keeping score at home, what would it currently cost to buy "The Whole Kielbasa", i.e. all of the HeroLab Pathfinder packages all at once?

"The Whole Kielbasa"? You want Parówkowa, Polska, Krakowska or Serdelowa? Because you know, the price varies...

Shadow Lodge

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Trinite wrote:
So, for those of us keeping score at home, what would it currently cost to buy "The Whole Kielbasa", i.e. all of the HeroLab Pathfinder packages all at once?

I believe I've currently spent $120 on the setup. I'm $50 away from a full set, and I'll definitely be buying the Advanced Race Guide. If I also decide to pick up the Bestiary bundle I'll throw in the extra $10 for the two other options I'm missing.

Then all I'll have to do is wait for more packages to be released, or for an Android version (if I haven't already bought an extra license pack).

Lone Wolf Development

Trinite wrote:
So, for those of us keeping score at home, what would it currently cost to buy "The Whole Kielbasa", i.e. all of the HeroLab Pathfinder packages all at once?

You'll find a complete run-down of all the available Pathfinder add-ons for Hero Lab on our website at the URL below (the ARG hasn't been added yet):

http://www.wolflair.com/index.php?context=hero_lab&page=pathfinder_rpg_ packages

Please note that these are all add-ons. The initial product purchase ($29.99) would include the core Pathfinder files, covering the core rulebook, assorted other player-focused material, and lots of miscellaneous GM content. For example, it includes all PFS content, APs, GMG, etc.

If all you want is the hardcover books for use as a player, the cost is significantly less than if you want *everything* as a GM. So take a look at the available add-ons and determine exactly what you'd be desiring to purchase. Then you can come up with an accurate number to match. :)

Hope this helps...

Sczarni

I appreciate your "buy what you actually want to use" approach, but if there was some sort of discount on the Mega Package, I'd be sorely tempted to go for it!

Lone Wolf Development

Trinite wrote:
I appreciate your "buy what you actually want to use" approach, but if there was some sort of discount on the Mega Package, I'd be sorely tempted to go for it!

Our current purchasing system doesn't make that possible for us to setup. We're planning a rewrite of all that stuff later this year or early next, at which point we'll be able to add that type of capability. But not at the moment. :(


There is a minor discount if you buy the Bestiaries in a single package compared to separately. Is this also true if you buy each setting package individually or as a package? If so, then there is already a discount. I would like to see a discount if someone wants to buy the whole thing at once. The only problem I can see is that many of us have been paying all along and would feel a little gypped if we didn't see something special. Personally, I wouldn't but I do know that several people would be up in arms.

Lone Wolf Development

Bob_Loblaw wrote:
There is a minor discount if you buy the Bestiaries in a single package compared to separately. Is this also true if you buy each setting package individually or as a package? If so, then there is already a discount. I would like to see a discount if someone wants to buy the whole thing at once. The only problem I can see is that many of us have been paying all along and would feel a little gypped if we didn't see something special. Personally, I wouldn't but I do know that several people would be up in arms.

The discount for buying all the Bestiaries at once is about 15%. There are two bundles of Campaign Setting and Players Companion add-ons, which I think provide a 20% discount. But that's it right now.

I believe the limit of our current system is a maximum of 5 things being bundled into a single unit.

The issue of people feeling gypped is a definite concern for us. The reaction is a bit surprising to me, since physical products go on sale all the time at stores, often after people have bought them for full price, and nobody blinks an eye. Heck, it's standard practice for many goods to be first sold at full price and then permanently discounted awhile later, with nobody complaining. But if you do it for an electronic product, some people get all up in arms about it. We'll need to figure that out when the time comes, but it's not an option yet (for technical reasons), so it's not something we've seriously considered at this point.

Shadow Lodge

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Well, I'm not losing any sleep over it. It would be nice if there were an option to get, say, $5 store credit when you eventually bundle add-ons 6-10 into a 5-for-the-price-of-4 package. Whether this option should be made available to anyone who had bought all five items separately, or only to people who had bought the entire product line, or to people who had not only bought everything but had bought a subscription package, or ... is far too complicated for me to think about; I've got portfolios to generate :-)

P.S. Are you guys going to be at Pacificon?


What would be really nice is if the campaign/companion bundles were linked thematically and not chronologically. The Race bundles and Region bundles make sense. I'm not wild about most of the Campaign setting bundles because they'll have 1 or 2 books I want and 3 or 4 I could not care less about. Putting the "Classic X Revisited" products together make sense, as does putting "Lost X of Golarion" books or campaign regions (Tian Xia themed books or Inner Sea region books) in the same bundle, even if it meant having more than one bundle to choose from (keep the current chronological bundles for the "gotta have it now" crowd but rework them later into themed bundles of downloads for the rest of us).

Silver Crusade Lone Wolf Development

TwoWolves wrote:


What would be really nice is if the campaign/companion bundles were linked thematically and not chronologically. The Race bundles and Region bundles make sense. I'm not wild about most of the Campaign setting bundles because they'll have 1 or 2 books I want and 3 or 4 I could not care less about. Putting the "Classic X Revisited" products together make sense, as does putting "Lost X of Golarion" books or campaign regions (Tian Xia themed books or Inner Sea region books) in the same bundle, even if it meant having more than one bundle to choose from (keep the current chronological bundles for the "gotta have it now" crowd but rework them later into themed bundles of downloads for the rest of us).

We thought about this, but decided against it because we can't be certain what Paizo will be producing down the line. We could do it initiatlly, because Paizo had been producing supplements for about two years at that point - we could see what was there and organize it as we wanted to.

As an example of the types of problems we might run into, Paizo did not decide to make Faiths of Corruption until after they saw the interest in Faiths of Purity and Faiths of Balance. Had we created a "faiths of" companion set at the time Faiths of Purity was released, we would have been in the position of selling a $4.99 package that would normally contain three books from the companion line, but at that time, had one book in it and a second book planned. What if Paizo hadn't ever published a third "faiths of" book? What if they publish a fourth - we don't know if they'll publish a fifth and sixth.

Lone Wolf Development

JohnF wrote:
P.S. Are you guys going to be at Pacificon?

Yes and no. :)

Physically, we'll be there. But we won't be there in any official capacity and definitely not working. We'll be going to play and have fun - this will be my 34th or 35th Pacificon (yeah, I'm old).

I'm pretty sure that the Character Creation Stations will be present in the PFS area (last I was told). If so, we can be chased down by the PFS team, should we be needed. :)

We *will* be at PaizoCon next weekend and at GenCon, of course.


lonewolf-rob wrote:
Bob_Loblaw wrote:
There is a minor discount if you buy the Bestiaries in a single package compared to separately. Is this also true if you buy each setting package individually or as a package? If so, then there is already a discount. I would like to see a discount if someone wants to buy the whole thing at once. The only problem I can see is that many of us have been paying all along and would feel a little gypped if we didn't see something special. Personally, I wouldn't but I do know that several people would be up in arms.

The discount for buying all the Bestiaries at once is about 15%. There are two bundles of Campaign Setting and Players Companion add-ons, which I think provide a 20% discount. But that's it right now.

I believe the limit of our current system is a maximum of 5 things being bundled into a single unit.

The issue of people feeling gypped is a definite concern for us. The reaction is a bit surprising to me, since physical products go on sale all the time at stores, often after people have bought them for full price, and nobody blinks an eye. Heck, it's standard practice for many goods to be first sold at full price and then permanently discounted awhile later, with nobody complaining. But if you do it for an electronic product, some people get all up in arms about it. We'll need to figure that out when the time comes, but it's not an option yet (for technical reasons), so it's not something we've seriously considered at this point.

I see it as an investment myself. The sooner I give you money, the sooner you can begin working on the next thing I need/want. The more you can provide help on the boards. The better you can make the product.

It's those of us who got in on the ground floor that have helped the company get to where it is today. I want to help you continue your business. You have an excellent product and excellent customer service. That's something rare in today's society.

If it does end up as a real concern, maybe you could ask the boards what they feel would make things up to them. Again, for myself, I have gotten exactly what I paid for and a little more sometimes. I can't be happier with how Lone Wolf has performed.


lonewolf-rob wrote:
Trinite wrote:
So, for those of us keeping score at home, what would it currently cost to buy "The Whole Kielbasa", i.e. all of the HeroLab Pathfinder packages all at once?

You'll find a complete run-down of all the available Pathfinder add-ons for Hero Lab on our website at the URL below (the ARG hasn't been added yet):

http://www.wolflair.com/index.php?context=hero_lab&page=pathfinder_rpg_ packages

Please note that these are all add-ons. The initial product purchase ($29.99) would include the core Pathfinder files, covering the core rulebook, assorted other player-focused material, and lots of miscellaneous GM content. For example, it includes all PFS content, APs, GMG, etc.

Hope this helps...

Rob, I looked over that page and I did not see the Inner Sea World Guide listed. Is that book covered yet? Just curious since our group is considering purchasing Herolab, but one of my players is branching out into the Red Mantis class, and I wanted to be able to make up his character sheet properly once he gets there.

Considering means that I am working the budget numbers. Rappan Athuk has destroyed my gaming budget for the rest of the year, so I'm looking at this as a late Christmas present/ Early Birthday Present for myself.

-Aaron

Lone Wolf Development

Aaron aka Itchy wrote:
Rob, I looked over that page and I did not see the Inner Sea World Guide listed. Is that book covered yet? Just curious since our group is considering purchasing Herolab, but one of my players is branching out into the Red Mantis class, and I wanted to be able to make up his character sheet properly once he gets there.

The material from the Inner Sea World Guide is pretty fundamental to just about any game set in Golarion. Consequently, that material is included as part of the *core* package for Pathfinder. No add-ons are necessary to obtain that content. :)

Looks like we'll have to make sure that gets added to the website!


Mathias Gehl wrote:

We thought about this, but decided against it because we can't be certain what Paizo will be producing down the line. We could do it initiatlly, because Paizo had been producing supplements for about two years at that point - we could see what was there and organize it as we wanted to.

As an example of the types of problems we might run into, Paizo did not decide to make Faiths of Corruption until after they saw the interest in Faiths of Purity and Faiths of Balance. Had we created a "faiths of" companion set at the time Faiths of Purity was released, we would have been in the position of selling a $4.99 package that would normally contain three books from the companion line, but at that time, had one book in it and a second book planned. What if Paizo hadn't ever published a third "faiths of" book? What if they publish a fourth - we don't know if they'll publish a fifth and sixth.

Yes, I understand this, but what stops you from doing that now? I mean in addition to the current bundle and the current, chronological method you are using?


lonewolf-rob wrote:
Aaron aka Itchy wrote:
Rob, I looked over that page and I did not see the Inner Sea World Guide listed. Is that book covered yet? Just curious since our group is considering purchasing Herolab, but one of my players is branching out into the Red Mantis class, and I wanted to be able to make up his character sheet properly once he gets there.

The material from the Inner Sea World Guide is pretty fundamental to just about any game set in Golarion. Consequently, that material is included as part of the *core* package for Pathfinder. No add-ons are necessary to obtain that content. :)

Looks like we'll have to make sure that gets added to the website!

Thanks for a quick answer!! I'll be at your website late this year/early next year!

Lone Wolf Development

TwoWolves wrote:
Mathias Gehl wrote:

We thought about this, but decided against it because we can't be certain what Paizo will be producing down the line. We could do it initiatlly, because Paizo had been producing supplements for about two years at that point - we could see what was there and organize it as we wanted to.

As an example of the types of problems we might run into, Paizo did not decide to make Faiths of Corruption until after they saw the interest in Faiths of Purity and Faiths of Balance. Had we created a "faiths of" companion set at the time Faiths of Purity was released, we would have been in the position of selling a $4.99 package that would normally contain three books from the companion line, but at that time, had one book in it and a second book planned. What if Paizo hadn't ever published a third "faiths of" book? What if they publish a fourth - we don't know if they'll publish a fifth and sixth.

Yes, I understand this, but what stops you from doing that now? I mean in addition to the current bundle and the current, chronological method you are using?

We can karken back about a dozen posts for your answer, where Bob_Loblaw points out that some of the people he knows would feel gypped if we offered a discount. The same logic applies, but in a slightly different way.

Let's say someone purchases a "Faiths" bundle and he's peachy happy about it. Now that user decides he wants the Inner Sea Primer. But that's only available as part of the Golarion #1 package, so he would have to effectively pay for those books *again* to get the one book he wants. He's no longer peachy happy. In fact, he's now ticked off and will demand that we give him something else instead if we want him to remain a happy customer.

Now multiple this problem by the number of different combinations in which users will want to purchase content for Hero Lab. :(

Based on this, the only practical way of doing this that we've figured out so far is to maintain what we're doing today. That is, releasing things in the order that Paizo does.

One obvious alternative would be to let everyone purchase each item individually, but that's not possible due to technical limitations of our licensing system. Due to the licensing technology we use in the product, we have a hard limit on the total number of packages that can be managed. There's plenty of growth space right now, but we'd be running very tight if the number of packages quintupled overnight, and then we'd have problems adding all the new content from Paizo next year.

Letting everyone pick and choose individual books would also be daunting for many users, which would become a negative from a user-experience perspective. Prices for individual books would be wide ranging, which complicates things for some users, not to mention the ever-growing volume of purchase options to wade through. There would also likely be a much higher frequency of mistakes during purchasing, which means fewer happy customers and more cost for us to fix those mistakes. It's a net loss across the board, so it would be an unwise approach even if there wasn't a technical limitation.

There are two major bonuses in releasing content in the same order Paizo creates it. The first is safety from the uncertain future of Paizo's publishing plan, which Mathias outlined above. To use a contrived example, let's say we release a "Faiths" bundle with 3 books, then what do we do if Paizo decides to release a fourth book in the future? If the first books sell well, Paizo will want to give players what they want and add a new book to the line. But how do we handle it for people who've already bought the previous three books? Does it become a single book they need to add? If so, we're soon back to the individual purchase model above.

The second big advantage is that it allows us to release small books immediately as part of incomplete packages. We know the next few books in the pipeline from Paizo and can create a new add-on that only has a couple books in it initially. Once the next books are released by Paizo, we can add those books, so users only wait a month or two for the add-on to be "complete". If we themed everything, there would be incomplete packages for a long time, which would have users thinking they weren't getting everything they paid for (read: gypped).

Lastly, before someone suggests it, it doesn't make sense to group existing books by theme now and add new books in the order they're released. If we did that, new users a year from now would be wholly confused. They would see all this themed content and then a mishmash of non-themed content (the new stuff). That wouldn't make any sense, and the problem would only get worse over time. If we later re-grouped the new content to make things less confusing for new users, this approach would also ultimately require that content be managed individually by our licensing mechanism, since books would be moving between packages over time. And that's not an option for us on a technical level.

Whew! That was vastly longer than I had intended, but it should hopefully give you a pretty thorough understanding of everything we have to think through on this end. :) We'd love to let users buy material in a variety of ways so they can pick the one that makes most sense to them. However, there are lots of factors involved, including the handling of new users, future implications of how a method evolves over time, and technical limitations that must be lived with. It's a juggling act, and the net result is that we can't always have things be ideal for everyone. So we do our best with the variables we have to work with. :)

Hope this helps!

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