My friend was looking over the summer recently and discovered what I hope is a problem that has already been corrected. Though your eidolon has a maximum of 7 "natural" attacks, it seems there is no limit to the attacks they can make with weapons.
If you pair this with the fact that the "limbs" evolution only costs 2 points and allows you to grow a set of arms capable of wielding weapons, it's easy to see how ones eidolon could eventually stack up an insane number of attacks. (calculated the maximum as 152 attacks with speed weapons, not that any party could ever afford 38 speed weapons).
You mix all that with hammer the gap, and you've got a monster that's capable of killing just about anything in one round.
So, I'm curious if there is a maximum number of limbs you can use to attack with weapons, or if I can just go ahead and build myself a Hecatoncheires.
Yes, I find the whole thing a bit excessive to the point of silliness and one of the reasons Summoners - my favorite class - get a bad name.
We've ruled it that the total number of natural attacks your Eidolon can have is the total number of attacks it can have period, whether naturally or with weapons. Its toned down the absurdity a great deal and has done nothing to lessen the potency of the eidolon as a fighting machine. Another way to go is to limit the total number of natural attacks to its current maximum and its total number of weapon attacks to its BAB as most melee types do - unless it chooses to invest in mutlitple sets of Two-Weapon Fighting feats per pair fo limbs...
I'm honestly surprised that people forget about how powerful its defenses can be - an AC in the mid 40's is obtainable along with a high Spell Resistance and DR 10 as well. That's pretty serious for an all-the-time thing, especially considering that's before any magic items or buff spells of which the Summoner has plenty.
How did you get 152 attacks?
By the way, speed weapons grant a haste effect, so you only get one extra attack no matter how many speed weapons you wield.
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1) I'm pretty sure the effects of multiple speed weapons don't stack
2) Once an Eidolon is wielding manufactured weapons you revert back to the normal rules concerning iterative attacks. Since Eidolons only get 15 bab at 20th level you can make 3 attacks without getting into TWFing. Taking TWFing and haste (or a speed weapon) brings this up to 7 attacks.
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ah forgot about that feat, I normally deal with PFS and that's not legal.
anyway. Not sure how you are getting that many attacks...
There is only Multi-weapon fighting, no improved Multi-weapon or greater Multi-weapon, so I have no idea how you are getting 152 attacks, I got 78 attacks at best (if speed stacks).
Anyway, I really hope you don't plan on bringing this to a table, any sane GM would flat out reject that, even with the 'tamer' 78 attacks per round
EDIT: calculation error
You're not thinking about multi-weapon fighting. That's the feat you take, and there's no limit the number of off hand attacks you can have with it. So if I have 38 arms I have at least 38 attacks as long as I'm holding weapons. Also, speed totally stacks. It's been that way since 3.5, and I don't see anywhere that Paizo has changed it.
I could be wrong, but they'd need to clarify the wording.
With 38 arms your Eidolon has +15/+10/+5 (primary hand) and 37 off-hand attacks at +15 (the numbers are BAB before adding attack bonuses and subtracting penalties for multi-weapon fighting). Even if we assume that each speed weapon grants additional attack (a controversional judgement) it grants us +15/+15/+10/+5 and 74 off-hand attacks, not 152.
I don't want to bring this to the table, I never want anyone to ever bring this to the table; that's why I'm bringing it up.
Anyway, I didn't do the calculations myself, I think my friend was factoring in improved and greater multi-weapon fighting when he came up with 152 attacks, thought I'm not sure if those feats are actually in pathfinder.
They do not exist in PF as far as I can tell. Deliberately, I think.
Lvl 16 Half-Elf(because, why not?)Synth/Summoner
BAB=12/7/2
Evo Pts:21+4(Extra evo feat)+4(fav class option)=29
28 Pts spent on 14 extra limbs(arms) 1Pts floater
So, 30 arms, all wielding some weapon & multi-weapon fighting.
Full Att Routine:+12x30/+7/+2(appropriate penalties apply, as do bonuses)
Now if you wanted 30 +4 weapons(+1 Speed) that would be almost 1 million dollars(960 000gp), even if you were to craft them, it would still seem impossible to achieve.
But, nevertheless, that would make it +12x60/+7/+2
Now, as a synth, I can split myself into two at 16 lvl(UM p.80(Su)Split Forms). Meaning double this(although, I don't think it doubles your weapons, so, go ahead and spend another million of your lottery winnings to buy another set.
That gives me 124 swings. Now this does seems ridiculous(and I think I wouldn't allow it at my table, I guess who care because no one is getting 2 millions dollars(1 million if you craft them) barring some epic event) but if it's the only front-line fighter your players have then why not let them have fun and destroy anything they full-attack.
At Lvl 20 you'd have 36 evo pts (26 base + 10 from feats and fav class).
So, you do the math. Do you want someone taking minutes during a 6 second turn at your table? It does seem a bit much.
Edit:(Grammer mistakes, No...)
Where exactly would you stick 30 arms on a medium sized creature?
Speed weapons do actually stack with each other, they just don't stack with haste.
I'm going to need a ruling for that, as I'm pretty darn sure they don't.
Anyway, I concur that a 38-armed creature will have 38 weapon attacks; I just don't agree you can get to over 100 that way.
As others have pointed out, there's no way to get multiple iterative off-hand attacks in Pathfinder.
Speed weapons do actually stack with each other, they just don't stack with haste. That's the advantage of them, that's why they are a +3 bonus. Only useful for things that fight with at least two weapons mind you, but quite useful for them.
Speed weapons do not stack with any similar effect, including haste. Unless the Speed ability is dissimillar to itself, that includes itself.
@Solkin: There's nothing in RAW to limit the limbs in any way, either by rules for medium creatures, or limitations on the limb evolution.
The synthesist is the textbook case of horrible game design. I'm sure tabletop artists the world over use it as a slang for unbalanced character design.
"Did you just make an LA 0 Hydra with all the same abilities as a playable PC? That's so synthesist!"
Though, I'm sure before Synthesist it was "That's so spell to power Erudite!"
