Advanced Race Guide and GM Credit


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Grand Lodge 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Oregon—Portland aka xebeche

I'm under the assumption that much of the information in the Advanced Race Guide for the core races will become legal for PFS. I have a character that I haven't played, but has earned levels through GM credit. Would it be appropriate for me to use the Advanced Race Guide if and when content becomes legal for PFS?

Grand Lodge RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

As I understand it, you don't have to actually stat up a PC until you're ready to play it for the first time, so I imagine you can use anything that's legal at the time you actually build it, even if your GM chronicles stretch back a couple of years.

But I could be wrong.

Grand Lodge

I believe this kind of thing is what lies at the heart of the debate about GM credit needing to be applied immediately vs being able to be applied whenever the GM wishes. At this point, I dont think there is an official stance, though some people do look down on the process.

I'm in the middle, personally. I always make sure I know which character I am going to give the credit to immediately, and my characters are always ready to be played on game day, but in the past I have held off on finalizing a character's build because all it had so far was GM credit.

Grand Lodge RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

Seth Gipson wrote:
I believe this kind of thing is what lies at the heart of the debate about GM credit needing to be applied immediately vs being able to be applied whenever the GM wishes. At this point, I dont think there is an official stance, though some people do look down on the process.

I (sadly) did not save the link, but Mike Brock said in a previous discussion on the topic that currently you are supposed to assign GM credits immediately to a PFS number, but if that number is as-yet unplayed, it doesn't need to be built yet.

The only part I'm not sure about is the question about resource legality, but I imagine the rule is just "legal when you actually build it", as that would be the easiest.

5/5 Venture-Captain, Massachusetts—Central & West aka Harley Quinn X

Jiggy wrote:
I (sadly) did not save the link, but Mike Brock said in a previous discussion on the topic that currently you are supposed to assign GM credits immediately to a PFS number, but if that number is as-yet unplayed, it doesn't need to be built yet.

*does cartwheel into the discussion, and several flashy kicks*

WHA-TAAAH!

My search-fu is strong!

*runs up a tree, running over the treetops on the branches, into the distance...*

Grand Lodge RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

David Montgomery is made of win.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Oregon—Portland aka xebeche

Edit: David, thank you.

Second old comment: Perhaps this is something to be clarified in 4.2. I might pop over to that thread and suggest it if nothing firm comes out of this discussion.

Grand Lodge 5/5

xebeche wrote:

Edit: David, thank you.

Second old comment: Perhaps this is something to be clarified in 4.2. I might pop over to that thread and suggest it if nothing firm comes out of this discussion.

Already added to 4.2 draft.

5/5

David Montgomery wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
I (sadly) did not save the link, but Mike Brock said in a previous discussion on the topic that currently you are supposed to assign GM credits immediately to a PFS number, but if that number is as-yet unplayed, it doesn't need to be built yet.

*does cartwheel into the discussion, and several flashy kicks*

WHA-TAAAH!

My search-fu is strong!

*runs up a tree, running over the treetops on the branches, into the distance...*

Natural 20 on Perception!

Wasn't there another later thread where it was mentioned that the current rules is ambiguous, there were two options (one of which allowed delayed credit, I think option 2) and then there was a pretty reasonable community consensus toward option 2?

Grand Lodge

The problem is with a GM not assigning credit to a PC number when reporting the table and then adding the Chronicle sheet to his stack later without updating the online record. Lots of GMs are not the coordinator for an event and do not have access to update the records. Also, this is not a service Venture-Captains are expected to provide and I don't belive campaign management wants GMs pestering event organizers to update their record either - not that most would.

So to ensure accuracy of online records, GMs must decide on a PC number when they complete the tracking sheet. Of course, they don't have to take a Chronicle the first time they run the adventure.

The Exchange

Don Walker wrote:

The problem is with a GM not assigning credit to a PC number when reporting the table and then adding the Chronicle sheet to his stack later without updating the online record. Lots of GMs are not the coordinator for an event and do not have access to update the records. Also, this is not a service Venture-Captains are expected to provide and I don't belive campaign management wants GMs pestering event organizers to update their record either - not that most would.

So to ensure accuracy of online records, GMs must decide on a PC number when they complete the tracking sheet. Of course, they don't have to take a Chronicle the first time they run the adventure.

I still wish this policy were different. For me, I almost never know what character I would want to assign credit to because that I don't usually like to assign GM credit (preferring to play my yahoos, rather than artificially level them out of the game) and I don't know when I'll want it.

In fact, the current policy seems to defeat the purpose of the 'reward', imho. GM credit is less good when it is confined by an inflexible application policy.

Since I don't believe that online reporting will ever be close to being accurate, I'd hate for that to be the reason why the current policy exists.

Even though I don't appreciate GM credit, I know many in the community do and so I would prefer to maximize the effect and benefit of GM credit by allowing it to be applied anytime. If we want GM credit to be a viable and effective 'reward' for judging, this policy should be changed.

-Pain

Edited bad sentence.

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