paizo.com Recent Posts in Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.paizo.com Recent Posts in Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.2012-06-14T06:46:51Z2012-06-14T06:46:51ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.Azelyanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#452013-05-13T18:24:08Z2013-05-13T18:24:08Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Brad McDowell wrote:</div><blockquote> 2 levels of paladin with 1 level of Lore Oracle with Sidestep Secret and a jacked CHA score makes for good defense. </blockquote><p>Throw in Noble Scion (War) at first Level and your Initiative is boss.Brad McDowell wrote:2 levels of paladin with 1 level of Lore Oracle with Sidestep Secret and a jacked CHA score makes for good defense.
Throw in Noble Scion (War) at first Level and your Initiative is boss.Azelyan2013-05-13T18:24:08ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.strayshifthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#442013-05-13T17:31:45Z2013-05-13T17:31:45Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">White Direwolf wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I don't know if you have already seen this, but the "Gamer's Guide to Pathfinder" podcast has a whole episode (>1h) on dipping. Besides some general thoughts, the hosts go through all the classes and discuss if/why they make a good dipping class.</p>
<p><a href="http://35privatesanctuary.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=367:ggtp-003-dipping&catid=53:gamers-guide-to-pathfinder&Itemid=65" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Link to the episode</a> </blockquote><p>Thanks for this - interesting.
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Only one minor point to highlight - the core rulebook says that the favoured class is 'typically' your starting class - I would make sure if you are 'dip classing' at level 1 - make sure your DM isn't going to insist that is your favoured class thereafter.</p>White Direwolf wrote:I don't know if you have already seen this, but the "Gamer's Guide to Pathfinder" podcast has a whole episode (>1h) on dipping. Besides some general thoughts, the hosts go through all the classes and discuss if/why they make a good dipping class.
Link to the episode
Thanks for this - interesting.
Only one minor point to highlight - the core rulebook says that the favoured class is 'typically' your starting class - I would make sure if you are 'dip classing' at level 1...strayshift2013-05-13T17:31:45ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.Ashton Green (alias of TheeGravedigger)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#432013-05-13T08:01:07Z2013-05-13T08:01:07Z<p>Alchemist, gives you mutagens. Once a day, you get a nice boost to STR or Dex, and a nice natural AC boost. </p>
<p>Also gives you the level 1 formulas. Sure, some of them are pretty light on duration at first level, but there are some great formulas on the list. </p>
<p>When you consider the fact that you can add formula from any wizard spell book, it becomes pretty enticing.</p>Alchemist, gives you mutagens. Once a day, you get a nice boost to STR or Dex, and a nice natural AC boost.
Also gives you the level 1 formulas. Sure, some of them are pretty light on duration at first level, but there are some great formulas on the list.
When you consider the fact that you can add formula from any wizard spell book, it becomes pretty enticing.Ashton Green (alias of TheeGravedigger)2013-05-13T08:01:07ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.White Direwolf (alias of Markus vD)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#422013-05-13T07:22:20Z2013-05-13T07:22:20Z<p>I don't know if you have already seen this, but the "Gamer's Guide to Pathfinder" podcast has a whole episode (>1h) on dipping. Besides some general thoughts, the hosts go through all the classes and discuss if/why they make a good dipping class.</p>
<p><a href="http://35privatesanctuary.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=367:ggtp-003-dipping&catid=53:gamers-guide-to-pathfinder&Itemid=65" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Link to the episode</a></p>I don't know if you have already seen this, but the "Gamer's Guide to Pathfinder" podcast has a whole episode (>1h) on dipping. Besides some general thoughts, the hosts go through all the classes and discuss if/why they make a good dipping class.
Link to the episodeWhite Direwolf (alias of Markus vD)2013-05-13T07:22:20ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.strayshifthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#412013-05-13T07:00:31Z2013-05-13T07:00:31Z<p>Have just posted this elsewhere but for a Fighter 5 levels of Armoured Hulk Barbarian gives you rage ability (+4 Str & Con!), +10' move in armour, 3 rage powers (to replace 3 fighter bonus feats), you average the same hit points (d12 over d10+1 fav. class bonus) and gain on skill points (with perception being a class skill!). Will save progression is a little slower at first but you do get a +2 bonus whilst in rage. </p>
<p>I think that's a bloody good deal.</p>Have just posted this elsewhere but for a Fighter 5 levels of Armoured Hulk Barbarian gives you rage ability (+4 Str & Con!), +10' move in armour, 3 rage powers (to replace 3 fighter bonus feats), you average the same hit points (d12 over d10+1 fav. class bonus) and gain on skill points (with perception being a class skill!). Will save progression is a little slower at first but you do get a +2 bonus whilst in rage.
I think that's a bloody good deal.strayshift2013-05-13T07:00:31ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.The black raven (alias of The Raven Black)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#402013-05-11T21:55:22Z2013-05-11T21:55:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cheapy wrote:</div><blockquote> What doug is saying is that when people say "+2 to all saves when you take a level in Monk!", they aren't taking into consideration the bumps to saves they would've received if they didn't multiclass into Monk. </blockquote><p>Actually, though right on this idea, Doug's point is a bit off, because he is comparing 1st level in Monk with 1st level in another class. But in the case of a dip, you should be comparing 1st level in Monk with not-1st level in another class. So your +2 in all 3 saves is compared to at most +1 in 2 saves. That is still a huge increase.Cheapy wrote:What doug is saying is that when people say "+2 to all saves when you take a level in Monk!", they aren't taking into consideration the bumps to saves they would've received if they didn't multiclass into Monk.
Actually, though right on this idea, Doug's point is a bit off, because he is comparing 1st level in Monk with 1st level in another class. But in the case of a dip, you should be comparing 1st level in Monk with not-1st level in another class. So your +2 in all 3 saves is...The black raven (alias of The Raven Black)2013-05-11T21:55:22ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.Nordlanderhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#392013-05-11T20:25:35Z2013-05-11T20:25:35Z<p>Fighters dipping Master of Many Styles and Barb(Wild Rager) can really spruce up a fighter (Crane Style chain and wild Fighting!)</p>Fighters dipping Master of Many Styles and Barb(Wild Rager) can really spruce up a fighter (Crane Style chain and wild Fighting!)Nordlander2013-05-11T20:25:35ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.CalebTGordan (RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#382013-05-11T19:58:56Z2013-05-11T19:58:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">bodhranist wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">CalebTGordan wrote:</div><blockquote> I am planning on playing a Fighter with three levels of Rogue so that I can grab Evasion, a rogue talent, and 2d6 of sneak attack. The boost to Reflex saves will be nice too. A fourth level would get me another rogue talent and Uncanny dodge, but takes just a bit too much away from the fighter class. </blockquote><p>Make sure your fighter is planning on wearing only light armor.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">d20pfsrd wrote:</div><blockquote>Evasion can be used only if the rogue is wearing light armor or no armor</blockquote></blockquote><p>Mithral Breastplate covers that. I will have to invest a bit more in my AC, but it will be worth it considering the game and GM.bodhranist wrote:CalebTGordan wrote: I am planning on playing a Fighter with three levels of Rogue so that I can grab Evasion, a rogue talent, and 2d6 of sneak attack. The boost to Reflex saves will be nice too. A fourth level would get me another rogue talent and Uncanny dodge, but takes just a bit too much away from the fighter class.
Make sure your fighter is planning on wearing only light armor. d20pfsrd wrote:Evasion can be used only if the rogue is wearing light armor or no armor
...CalebTGordan (RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32)2013-05-11T19:58:56ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.Kamelguruhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#372013-05-15T15:50:47Z2013-05-11T19:40:45Z<p>Zen Archer Monk for martial types:
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- Flurry with bow, or Rapid Shot bonus feat if you like armor.
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- Perfect Strike with bow
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- Unarmed Strike for when you are caught in the bath, or get mixed up in a bar fight
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- +2 to all saves
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- Lots of useful trained skills like Acrobatics and Perception.</p>
<p>I dipped a level of Zen Archer with my paladin back in Serpent Skull. Was to get better archery stuff, unarmed capabilities and relevant skills (samurai flavor, before samurai class). Added bonus was +2 to all saves and a bonus feat. My wisdom score was garbage, so getting Perfect Strike instead of Stunning Fist was all good.</p>Zen Archer Monk for martial types:
- Flurry with bow, or Rapid Shot bonus feat if you like armor.
- Perfect Strike with bow
- Unarmed Strike for when you are caught in the bath, or get mixed up in a bar fight
- +2 to all saves
- Lots of useful trained skills like Acrobatics and Perception.
I dipped a level of Zen Archer with my paladin back in Serpent Skull. Was to get better archery stuff, unarmed capabilities and relevant skills (samurai flavor, before samurai class). Added bonus was +2 to...Kamelguru2013-05-11T19:40:45ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.The black raven (alias of The Raven Black)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#362013-05-11T18:53:31Z2013-05-11T18:53:31Z<p>If you enjoy Sneak Attack, there are many prestige classes that grant +1d6 SA at 1st level.</p>
<p>Just multiclass in these to your heart's content to get ugly SA damage.</p>If you enjoy Sneak Attack, there are many prestige classes that grant +1d6 SA at 1st level.
Just multiclass in these to your heart's content to get ugly SA damage.The black raven (alias of The Raven Black)2013-05-11T18:53:31ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.Thomas Long 175https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#352013-05-11T18:04:47Z2013-05-11T18:04:47Z<p>I personally engoy the weapon master fighter for a 4 level dip. for 12000 gold you're getting nearly half the offensive bonuses of the class (+3/5 out of 7/11) and you still have 2 extra feats after weapon spec to boot.</p>I personally engoy the weapon master fighter for a 4 level dip. for 12000 gold you're getting nearly half the offensive bonuses of the class (+3/5 out of 7/11) and you still have 2 extra feats after weapon spec to boot.Thomas Long 1752013-05-11T18:04:47ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.bodhranisthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#342013-05-11T17:35:13Z2013-05-11T17:35:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">CalebTGordan wrote:</div><blockquote> I am planning on playing a Fighter with three levels of Rogue so that I can grab Evasion, a rogue talent, and 2d6 of sneak attack. The boost to Reflex saves will be nice too. A fourth level would get me another rogue talent and Uncanny dodge, but takes just a bit too much away from the fighter class. </blockquote><p>Make sure your fighter is planning on wearing only light armor.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">d20pfsrd wrote:</div><blockquote>Evasion can be used only if the rogue is wearing light armor or no armor</blockquote><p>CalebTGordan wrote:I am planning on playing a Fighter with three levels of Rogue so that I can grab Evasion, a rogue talent, and 2d6 of sneak attack. The boost to Reflex saves will be nice too. A fourth level would get me another rogue talent and Uncanny dodge, but takes just a bit too much away from the fighter class.
Make sure your fighter is planning on wearing only light armor. d20pfsrd wrote:Evasion can be used only if the rogue is wearing light armor or no armorbodhranist2013-05-11T17:35:13ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.CalebTGordan (RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#332013-05-11T17:12:40Z2013-05-11T17:12:40Z<p>I am planning on playing a Fighter with three levels of Rogue so that I can grab Evasion, a rogue talent, and 2d6 of sneak attack. The boost to Reflex saves will be nice too. A fourth level would get me another rogue talent and Uncanny dodge, but takes just a bit too much away from the fighter class.</p>I am planning on playing a Fighter with three levels of Rogue so that I can grab Evasion, a rogue talent, and 2d6 of sneak attack. The boost to Reflex saves will be nice too. A fourth level would get me another rogue talent and Uncanny dodge, but takes just a bit too much away from the fighter class.CalebTGordan (RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32)2013-05-11T17:12:40ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.Brad McDowellhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#322012-06-15T22:02:48Z2012-06-15T22:02:48Z<p>2 levels of paladin with 1 level of Lore Oracle with Sidestep Secret and a jacked CHA score makes for good defense.</p>2 levels of paladin with 1 level of Lore Oracle with Sidestep Secret and a jacked CHA score makes for good defense.Brad McDowell2012-06-15T22:02:48ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.nosighttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#312012-06-15T21:46:15Z2012-06-15T21:46:15Z<p>Diviner Wizard to always go in the surprize round, even when surprized. Oh, and +1 INIT. and all the other advantages of a Wiz level dip.</p>Diviner Wizard to always go in the surprize round, even when surprized. Oh, and +1 INIT. and all the other advantages of a Wiz level dip.nosig2012-06-15T21:46:15ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.Brad McDowellhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#302012-06-15T21:45:16Z2012-06-15T21:45:16Z<p>2 levels of Monk's Master of Many Styles can go a long way for feats. By also using a regular feat, a character can have one full style chain.
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Not too shabby.</p>2 levels of Monk's Master of Many Styles can go a long way for feats. By also using a regular feat, a character can have one full style chain.
Not too shabby.Brad McDowell2012-06-15T21:45:16ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.Madakhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#292012-06-15T21:19:46Z2012-06-15T21:19:46Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cheapy wrote:</div><blockquote> What doug is saying is that when people say "+2 to all saves when you take a level in Monk!", they aren't taking into consideration the bumps to saves they would've received if they didn't multiclass into Monk. </blockquote><p>If you're going by the 3.5 unearthed arcana rules for multiclassing you get +2.5 to all saves when you dip monk. The best you could get by just continuing in your chosen class is +.5 on your good save and +1/3 on your poor saves.Cheapy wrote:What doug is saying is that when people say "+2 to all saves when you take a level in Monk!", they aren't taking into consideration the bumps to saves they would've received if they didn't multiclass into Monk.
If you're going by the 3.5 unearthed arcana rules for multiclassing you get +2.5 to all saves when you dip monk. The best you could get by just continuing in your chosen class is +.5 on your good save and +1/3 on your poor saves.Madak2012-06-15T21:19:46ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.Theconiel (alias of Andrew Besso)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#282012-06-15T21:13:12Z2012-06-15T21:13:12Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cheapy wrote:</div><blockquote> What doug is saying is that when people say "+2 to all saves when you take a level in Monk!", they aren't taking into consideration the bumps to saves they would've received if they didn't multiclass into Monk. </blockquote><p>Ah. Point taken.Cheapy wrote:What doug is saying is that when people say "+2 to all saves when you take a level in Monk!", they aren't taking into consideration the bumps to saves they would've received if they didn't multiclass into Monk.
Ah. Point taken.Theconiel (alias of Andrew Besso)2012-06-15T21:13:12ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.Cheapyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#272012-06-15T21:11:45Z2012-06-15T21:11:45Z<p>What doug is saying is that when people say "+2 to all saves when you take a level in Monk!", they aren't taking into consideration the bumps to saves they would've received if they didn't multiclass into Monk.</p>What doug is saying is that when people say "+2 to all saves when you take a level in Monk!", they aren't taking into consideration the bumps to saves they would've received if they didn't multiclass into Monk.Cheapy2012-06-15T21:11:45ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.Theconiel (alias of Andrew Besso)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#262012-06-15T21:09:48Z2012-06-15T21:09:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Douglas Muir 406 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Okay, minor point here, but can we PLEASE stop saying that dipping a single level of monk gives you "+2 on all saves"? It doesn't. It gives you between +0 and +2, depending.</p>
<p>Examples spoiled for tedious math. •• spoiler omitted ••</p>
<p>Dipping a level of monk totally does improve your saves! It just doesn't improve them by "+2".</p>
<p>Doug M.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>Doug, I think you are mistaken. Statistics like BAB and saves stack.
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<div class="messageboard-quotee">PRD Character Advancement wrote:</div><blockquote>He <b>adds</b> all of the hit points, base attack bonuses, and saving throw bonuses from a 1st-level wizard on top of those gained from being a 5th-level fighter.</blockquote><p>(emphasis mine)Douglas Muir 406 wrote:Okay, minor point here, but can we PLEASE stop saying that dipping a single level of monk gives you "+2 on all saves"? It doesn't. It gives you between +0 and +2, depending.
Examples spoiled for tedious math. ** spoiler omitted **
Dipping a level of monk totally does improve your saves! It just doesn't improve them by "+2".
Doug M.
Doug, I think you are mistaken. Statistics like BAB and saves stack.
PRD Character Advancement wrote:He adds all of the hit points,...Theconiel (alias of Andrew Besso)2012-06-15T21:09:48ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.Theconiel (alias of Andrew Besso)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#252012-06-15T21:01:24Z2012-06-15T21:01:24Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Vendle wrote:</div><blockquote><p> A class-dipping thread and no one has mentioned the Monk yet?</p>
<p>One level gets you better unarmed fighting than the feat, plus Stunning Fist, plus a (limited selection) bonus feat and +2 to all three saves.</p>
<p>A second level gets Evasion, the attack bonus you missed out on the first level, and another +1 to saves. Oh and another bonus feat.</p>
<p>I didn't mention Flurry because if you're dipping Monk, you're probably using a non-monk weapon. Not true in every case, of course.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>I will mention the monk,but as the main class, not the "dip" class. My monk cohort has one level of empyreal sorcerer. The dip gives access to a number of good cantrips (notably Light and Disrupt Undead), two first level spells (Shield and Grease in my case) and a whole host of magic devices. I find the Shield spell better than spending a Ki point to boost my AC because it lasts longer (3 minutes instead of 1 round).Vendle wrote:A class-dipping thread and no one has mentioned the Monk yet?
One level gets you better unarmed fighting than the feat, plus Stunning Fist, plus a (limited selection) bonus feat and +2 to all three saves.
A second level gets Evasion, the attack bonus you missed out on the first level, and another +1 to saves. Oh and another bonus feat.
I didn't mention Flurry because if you're dipping Monk, you're probably using a non-monk weapon. Not true in every case, of course.
I will...Theconiel (alias of Andrew Besso)2012-06-15T21:01:24ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.Mercurial (alias of Wiggz)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#242012-06-15T20:29:15Z2012-06-15T20:29:15Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">wolflord wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I have a master summoner who took a single dip into gunslinger. I used the Mysterious stranger archetype to maximize my CHA bonus, and the musket master to gain high damage and rapid reload for free. The only downside is that I lose the quick clear deed, so misfires put the gun out of commission for a fight, until it can be repaired.</p>
<p>Also gained +2 fort/ref saves, a +1 BAB, more class skills, grit (using cha), and martial weapon profs (just in case).</blockquote><p>Really like this idea, might steal it for my halfling...wolflord wrote:I have a master summoner who took a single dip into gunslinger. I used the Mysterious stranger archetype to maximize my CHA bonus, and the musket master to gain high damage and rapid reload for free. The only downside is that I lose the quick clear deed, so misfires put the gun out of commission for a fight, until it can be repaired.
Also gained +2 fort/ref saves, a +1 BAB, more class skills, grit (using cha), and martial weapon profs (just in case).
Really like this idea,...Mercurial (alias of Wiggz)2012-06-15T20:29:15ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.Douglas Muir 406https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#232012-06-15T20:18:31Z2012-06-15T20:18:31Z<p>Okay, minor point here, but can we PLEASE stop saying that dipping a single level of monk gives you "+2 on all saves"? It doesn't. It gives you between +0 and +2, depending.</p>
<p>Examples spoiled for tedious math. [Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>Dipping a level of monk totally does improve your saves! It just doesn't improve them by "+2".</p>
<p>Doug M.</p>Okay, minor point here, but can we PLEASE stop saying that dipping a single level of monk gives you "+2 on all saves"? It doesn't. It gives you between +0 and +2, depending.
Examples spoiled for tedious math. [Spoiler omitted]
Dipping a level of monk totally does improve your saves! It just doesn't improve them by "+2".
Doug M.Douglas Muir 4062012-06-15T20:18:31ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.wolflordhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#222012-06-15T20:13:26Z2012-06-15T20:13:26Z<p>I have a master summoner who took a single dip into gunslinger. I used the Mysterious stranger archetype to maximize my CHA bonus, and the musket master to gain high damage and rapid reload for free. The only downside is that I lose the quick clear deed, so misfires put the gun out of commission for a fight, until it can be repaired.</p>
<p>Also gained +2 fort/ref saves, a +1 BAB, more class skills, grit (using cha), and martial weapon profs (just in case).</p>
<p>The theory behind it is that quite often you fight mean things with low touch ac's. Even with the summoner's reduced bab it shouldn't be too hard to hit the 10-14 touch ac of most things. (Thinking of tier 8-9 PFS mummies). I shoot stuff (and hit it) while the beasties maul them up close.</p>
<p>I love synergistic combos. I'm always on the lookout for abilites that change a classes base stat into something else. (like mysterious stranger changing wis to cha).</p>
<p>Other fun ones.</p>
<p>Bard 1-2/oracle (CHA)
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Wizard 1/mindchemist
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Barbarian/Ninja (rogue)
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Sorcerer 1/Zen Archer</p>I have a master summoner who took a single dip into gunslinger. I used the Mysterious stranger archetype to maximize my CHA bonus, and the musket master to gain high damage and rapid reload for free. The only downside is that I lose the quick clear deed, so misfires put the gun out of commission for a fight, until it can be repaired.
Also gained +2 fort/ref saves, a +1 BAB, more class skills, grit (using cha), and martial weapon profs (just in case).
The theory behind it is that quite often...wolflord2012-06-15T20:13:26ZRe: Forums: Advice: Dipping? Best dipping advice/ideas.Cameronvkhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oa5e?Dipping-Best-dipping-adviceideas#212012-06-15T14:26:30Z2012-06-15T14:26:30Z<p>With a Magus I took a 1 level dip into Univeralist Wizard to get Hand of the apprentice. Now for a few uses a day I have a 30' range with my weapon of choice.</p>With a Magus I took a 1 level dip into Univeralist Wizard to get Hand of the apprentice. Now for a few uses a day I have a 30' range with my weapon of choice.Cameronvk2012-06-15T14:26:30Z