paizo.com Recent Posts in We scratched your back, you scratch ourspaizo.com Recent Posts in We scratched your back, you scratch ours2012-06-08T19:22:15Z2012-06-08T19:22:15ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursIzzlynhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#372012-06-13T14:37:46Z2012-06-13T14:37:46Z<p>This may be the worst thread on these forums. For more than one reason, and not only for the ones pointed out already.</p>
<p>Sad day.</p>This may be the worst thread on these forums. For more than one reason, and not only for the ones pointed out already.
Sad day.Izzlyn2012-06-13T14:37:46ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursThane9https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#362012-06-13T14:05:46Z2012-06-13T14:05:46Z<p>Wow. Just....wow.</p>
<p>I hope for the sake of humanity that the OP is just a troll and not being serious.</p>Wow. Just....wow.
I hope for the sake of humanity that the OP is just a troll and not being serious.Thane92012-06-13T14:05:46ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursPaizo Fanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#352013-05-03T22:21:06Z2012-06-13T11:17:37Z<p>Continual development and infrastructure costs are not free. Goblinworks cannot be reliant on box costs to cover these costs otherwise Pathfinder Online is going to crash and burn very quickly.</p>Continual development and infrastructure costs are not free. Goblinworks cannot be reliant on box costs to cover these costs otherwise Pathfinder Online is going to crash and burn very quickly.Paizo Fan2012-06-13T11:17:37ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursElederhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#342012-06-13T04:09:24Z2012-06-13T04:09:24Z<p>You guys probably aren't used to them on this forum, but I smell a Troll. With a particularly strong carrion stench. Just throw some dirt over it, and walk away.</p>You guys probably aren't used to them on this forum, but I smell a Troll. With a particularly strong carrion stench. Just throw some dirt over it, and walk away.Eleder2012-06-13T04:09:24ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch ourscoachhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#332012-06-13T01:33:11Z2012-06-13T01:33:11Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Doctor Carrion wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I am a guy who didn't follow the financial side of things too well, and didn't donate! I just posited this idea to get the discussion going, because of course there are people who know more than I.</p>
<p>I didn't assert a demand, I posed an idea. The bulk of you, most of you less ignorant on the dev process than I, disagreed with me. After reading your posts, I'm seeing that I was likely wrong.</p>
<p>But the personal attacks got me all :-/ </blockquote><p>you didn't donate...
<p>but you said "We" raised 300k and want everything now for free!</p>
<p>/confused</p>Doctor Carrion wrote:I am a guy who didn't follow the financial side of things too well, and didn't donate! I just posited this idea to get the discussion going, because of course there are people who know more than I.
I didn't assert a demand, I posed an idea. The bulk of you, most of you less ignorant on the dev process than I, disagreed with me. After reading your posts, I'm seeing that I was likely wrong.
But the personal attacks got me all :-/
you didn't donate... but you said "We"...coach2012-06-13T01:33:11ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursAvenaOatshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#322012-06-09T08:14:40Z2012-06-09T08:14:40Z<p>Yeah there is an underlying humor in these posts: mischievous?! That said pricing is serious business.</p>Yeah there is an underlying humor in these posts: mischievous?! That said pricing is serious business.AvenaOats2012-06-09T08:14:40ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch ourswraithstrike (alias of concerro)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#312012-06-09T08:00:25Z2012-06-09T08:00:25Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Doctor Carrion wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I am a guy who didn't follow the financial side of things too well, and didn't donate! I just posited this idea to get the discussion going, because of course there are people who know more than I.</p>
<p>I didn't assert a demand, I posed an idea. The bulk of you, most of you less ignorant on the dev process than I, disagreed with me. After reading your posts, I'm seeing that I was likely wrong.</p>
<p>But the personal attacks got me all :-/ </blockquote><p>You worded it in an aggressive manner though, and I assumed like many others that you paid due to usage of "I" and "we" during your initial post.
<p>Had you said those that paid should have to pay because...., and post it more as a question then I think the replies would have been different.</p>Doctor Carrion wrote:I am a guy who didn't follow the financial side of things too well, and didn't donate! I just posited this idea to get the discussion going, because of course there are people who know more than I.
I didn't assert a demand, I posed an idea. The bulk of you, most of you less ignorant on the dev process than I, disagreed with me. After reading your posts, I'm seeing that I was likely wrong.
But the personal attacks got me all :-/
You worded it in an aggressive manner...wraithstrike (alias of concerro)2012-06-09T08:00:25ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursSumutherguyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#302012-06-09T07:43:12Z2012-06-09T07:43:12Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DropBearHunter wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Alexander_Damocles wrote:</div><blockquote> You can play without paying. You just can't level. Training time costs money. Already confirmed, per the blog. Of course, you can buy training time with in game money, so if you grind like a madman... </blockquote><p>where is the correct place to suggest a multi step system?
<p>free: no level up
<br />
discount: NPC levels
<br />
standard: PC levels
<br />
premium: Prestige Class levels </blockquote><p>Seems a mite pay-2-win, that. Though, then again the whole thing would be if there aren't enough alternate means of attaining in-game power beyond level alone.
<p>If I can be a powerful character in some sense (wealth, influence, etc.)without paying, and acquire such power at a low level, then it's fine by me. If not, what's the point of giving free players PC classes at all? 's not like they'd be able to do anything your above-average commoner NPC couldn't.</p>
<p>Dunno about all you gents, but I am not a wealthy man, only being able to afford the oh-so-small kickstarter donation of $5. It would be neat if I were able to fully enjoy this game without destroying my wallet, or watching the more financially endowed surpass me with no means of catching up.</p>DropBearHunter wrote:Alexander_Damocles wrote: You can play without paying. You just can't level. Training time costs money. Already confirmed, per the blog. Of course, you can buy training time with in game money, so if you grind like a madman...
where is the correct place to suggest a multi step system? free: no level up
discount: NPC levels
standard: PC levels
premium: Prestige Class levels Seems a mite pay-2-win, that. Though, then again the whole thing would be if there aren't enough...Sumutherguy2012-06-09T07:43:12ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursOnishihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#292012-06-09T06:48:33Z2012-06-09T06:48:33Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DropBearHunter wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Alexander_Damocles wrote:</div><blockquote> You can play without paying. You just can't level. Training time costs money. Already confirmed, per the blog. Of course, you can buy training time with in game money, so if you grind like a madman... </blockquote><p>where is the correct place to suggest a multi step system?
<p>free: no level up
<br />
discount: NPC levels
<br />
standard: PC levels
<br />
premium: Prestige Class levels </blockquote><p>what would an NPC level even be in this skills system that is being used? Odds are with the limited information on what we know, things like HP, BAB etc... are most likely not going to be tied to "class levels", as they do not intend for say a 20 wiz/20 barbarian, to have 3x more HP than a pure 20 wiz. At least I think they wouldn't otherwise their comment that a 20/20/20/20 will not be more powerful than a single 20, only more versatile, comment was a direct lie. As overall the concepts in the P&P for NPC classes, is more or less is a class that gets normal benefits (IE HP BAB etc... from a class level, minus more or less the actual special abilities that a PC class would have.DropBearHunter wrote:Alexander_Damocles wrote: You can play without paying. You just can't level. Training time costs money. Already confirmed, per the blog. Of course, you can buy training time with in game money, so if you grind like a madman...
where is the correct place to suggest a multi step system? free: no level up
discount: NPC levels
standard: PC levels
premium: Prestige Class levels what would an NPC level even be in this skills system that is being used? Odds are with the limited...Onishi2012-06-09T06:48:33ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursDropBearHunterhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#282012-06-09T06:42:22Z2012-06-09T06:42:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Alexander_Damocles wrote:</div><blockquote> You can play without paying. You just can't level. Training time costs money. Already confirmed, per the blog. Of course, you can buy training time with in game money, so if you grind like a madman... </blockquote><p>where is the correct place to suggest a multi step system?
<p>free: no level up
<br />
discount: NPC levels
<br />
standard: PC levels
<br />
premium: Prestige Class levels</p>Alexander_Damocles wrote:You can play without paying. You just can't level. Training time costs money. Already confirmed, per the blog. Of course, you can buy training time with in game money, so if you grind like a madman...
where is the correct place to suggest a multi step system? free: no level up
discount: NPC levels
standard: PC levels
premium: Prestige Class levelsDropBearHunter2012-06-09T06:42:22ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursW. Kristoph Nolenhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#272012-06-09T05:59:40Z2012-06-09T05:59:40Z<p>Yes. Senseless post is senseless. (Also a copout, I should think) But, pointless.</p>Yes. Senseless post is senseless. (Also a copout, I should think) But, pointless.W. Kristoph Nolen2012-06-09T05:59:40ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursthenoisyroguehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#262012-06-09T05:45:49Z2012-06-09T05:45:49Z<p>Pointless thread is pointless?</p>Pointless thread is pointless?thenoisyrogue2012-06-09T05:45:49ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursDoctor Carrionhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#252012-06-09T05:29:33Z2012-06-09T05:29:33Z<p>I am a guy who didn't follow the financial side of things too well, and didn't donate! I just posited this idea to get the discussion going, because of course there are people who know more than I.</p>
<p>I didn't assert a demand, I posed an idea. The bulk of you, most of you less ignorant on the dev process than I, disagreed with me. After reading your posts, I'm seeing that I was likely wrong.</p>
<p>But the personal attacks got me all :-/</p>I am a guy who didn't follow the financial side of things too well, and didn't donate! I just posited this idea to get the discussion going, because of course there are people who know more than I.
I didn't assert a demand, I posed an idea. The bulk of you, most of you less ignorant on the dev process than I, disagreed with me. After reading your posts, I'm seeing that I was likely wrong.
But the personal attacks got me all :-/Doctor Carrion2012-06-09T05:29:33ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursNativityInBlackhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#242012-06-08T23:36:44Z2012-06-08T23:36:44Z<p>I personally think a subscription model would help keeping the cities active/viable as only paying players would keep their homes and keeps and we will be constantly "renting" server-space.</p>I personally think a subscription model would help keeping the cities active/viable as only paying players would keep their homes and keeps and we will be constantly "renting" server-space.NativityInBlack2012-06-08T23:36:44ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursWinter_Bornhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#232012-06-08T23:25:15Z2012-06-08T23:25:15Z<p>Someone doesn't grok how Kickstarter works...</p>Someone doesn't grok how Kickstarter works...Winter_Born2012-06-08T23:25:15ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursScintillaehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#222012-06-08T23:12:36Z2012-06-08T23:12:36Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Doctor Carrion wrote:</div><blockquote><p>I don't think we should pay a cent more.</p>
<p>My two cents. </blockquote><p>Amusement.Doctor Carrion wrote:I don't think we should pay a cent more.
My two cents.
Amusement.Scintillae2012-06-08T23:12:36ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursOrthoshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#212012-06-08T20:26:57Z2012-06-08T20:26:57Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Steve Geddes wrote:</div><blockquote>I could easily have misunderstood. </blockquote><p>s'OK. It happens to the best of us. =)Steve Geddes wrote:I could easily have misunderstood.
s'OK. It happens to the best of us. =)Orthos2012-06-08T20:26:57ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursNihimonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#202012-06-13T15:43:04Z2012-06-08T20:24:43Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Steve Geddes wrote:</div><blockquote>You could well be right</blockquote><p>Wouldn't surprise me a bit! •grins•
<p>But even then, I totally disagree. I think their current plan makes perfect sense, and I have no interest whatsoever in encouraging them to turn PFO into a free-to-play <b>only</b> title, like Guild Wars.</p>Steve Geddes wrote:You could well be right
Wouldn't surprise me a bit! *grins* But even then, I totally disagree. I think their current plan makes perfect sense, and I have no interest whatsoever in encouraging them to turn PFO into a free-to-play only title, like Guild Wars.Nihimon2012-06-08T20:24:43ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursSteve Geddeshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#192012-06-08T20:13:33Z2012-06-08T20:13:33Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Nihimon wrote:</div><blockquote> The "this" in "but after this" is "buying the game and expansions". Orthos has it right. </blockquote><p>You could well be rightNihimon wrote:The "this" in "but after this" is "buying the game and expansions". Orthos has it right.
You could well be rightSteve Geddes2012-06-08T20:13:33ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursNihimonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#182012-06-08T20:12:13Z2012-06-08T20:12:13Z<p>The "this" in "but after this" is "buying the game and expansions". Orthos has it right.</p>The "this" in "but after this" is "buying the game and expansions". Orthos has it right.Nihimon2012-06-08T20:12:13ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursScience Milehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#172012-06-08T20:11:54Z2012-06-08T20:11:54Z<p>Those are both saying the same thing.</p>Those are both saying the same thing.Science Mile2012-06-08T20:11:54ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursSteve Geddeshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#162012-06-08T20:09:44Z2012-06-08T20:09:44Z<p>Yeah, but he also said</p>
<p>"I think in the wake of such generosity you should lay off our wallets, we have enough bills to pay. Charge whatever you want for the game, but after this I don't think we should pay a cent more."</p>
<p>Granted I'm struggling to make full sense of his op, so you may well be right. I could easily have misunderstood.</p>Yeah, but he also said
"I think in the wake of such generosity you should lay off our wallets, we have enough bills to pay. Charge whatever you want for the game, but after this I don't think we should pay a cent more."
Granted I'm struggling to make full sense of his op, so you may well be right. I could easily have misunderstood.Steve Geddes2012-06-08T20:09:44ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursOrthoshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#152012-06-08T20:08:13Z2012-06-08T20:08:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Steve Geddes wrote:</div><blockquote> I think he meant "don't raise funds to develop the game via kickstarter" not "make the game with the 300k you have there".</blockquote><p>Neither really, what he said was "We gave you a bunch of money. Now make the game free-to-play after initial purchase."Steve Geddes wrote:I think he meant "don't raise funds to develop the game via kickstarter" not "make the game with the 300k you have there".
Neither really, what he said was "We gave you a bunch of money. Now make the game free-to-play after initial purchase."Orthos2012-06-08T20:08:13ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch oursSteve Geddeshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#142012-06-08T20:07:05Z2012-06-08T20:07:05Z<p>I think he meant "don't raise funds to develop the game via kickstarter" not "make the game with the 300k you have there".</p>
<p>If only pledging wasn't compulsory.</p>I think he meant "don't raise funds to develop the game via kickstarter" not "make the game with the 300k you have there".
If only pledging wasn't compulsory.Steve Geddes2012-06-08T20:07:05ZRe: Forums: Pathfinder Online: We scratched your back, you scratch ourshewhocaveshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o90m?We-scratched-your-back-you-scratch-ours#132012-06-08T20:03:31Z2012-06-08T20:03:31Z<p>The total development for a modern MMO is something on the order of tens of millions of dollars and higher. Lets say that its 30 million - which is not unreasonable in this day and age. Lets also say we make 300K before the day is out. (makes for easier math)</p>
<p>That's 1% of the development costs. It would be more appropriate to ask for a 1% discount. That's. erm... hmm... </p>
<p>Nineteen cents off a 19.99 monthly fee. </p>
<p>Yup. Drop in the bucket :)</p>The total development for a modern MMO is something on the order of tens of millions of dollars and higher. Lets say that its 30 million - which is not unreasonable in this day and age. Lets also say we make 300K before the day is out. (makes for easier math)
That's 1% of the development costs. It would be more appropriate to ask for a 1% discount. That's. erm... hmm...
Nineteen cents off a 19.99 monthly fee.
Yup. Drop in the bucket :)hewhocaves2012-06-08T20:03:31Z