paizo.com Recent Posts in Participating in the D&D Next Playtestpaizo.com Recent Posts in Participating in the D&D Next Playtest2012-05-24T04:29:17Z2012-05-24T04:29:17ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestDavor (alias of Manijin)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#992012-05-26T14:51:02Z2012-05-26T14:51:02Z<p>Same. I started with 3.0 as well, and this system is looking like a streamlined version of 3.0/3.5, which is a good thing. Now, I won't be able to really judge that until I see the actual rules for character creation, feats, themes, backgrounds, etc., but I like the fact that characters are rewarded for having interesting roleplaying options, and that there will likely be guidelines for creating your own themes and backgrounds.</p>
<p>Again, we'll have to wait and see, but the system so far seems easy to grasp, and kind of open-ended, which is always a plus.</p>Same. I started with 3.0 as well, and this system is looking like a streamlined version of 3.0/3.5, which is a good thing. Now, I won't be able to really judge that until I see the actual rules for character creation, feats, themes, backgrounds, etc., but I like the fact that characters are rewarded for having interesting roleplaying options, and that there will likely be guidelines for creating your own themes and backgrounds.
Again, we'll have to wait and see, but the system so far seems...Davor (alias of Manijin)2012-05-26T14:51:02ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestRatpickhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#982012-05-26T02:49:48Z2012-05-26T02:49:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Stefan Hill wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Well so far I like it. I think those who started on D&D 3e/3.5e perhaps won't like it as much as those who start on BECMI / 1e AD&D.</p>
<p>Rubber will meet the road on actually playing but initial rating B+ for 'feel'.</p>
<p>S. </blockquote><p>I don't know, I started on 3e and I like it.
<p>Then again, my current system of choice is Labyrinth Lord.</p>
<p>Soooo, I guess you're both right and wrong? :D</p>Stefan Hill wrote:Well so far I like it. I think those who started on D&D 3e/3.5e perhaps won't like it as much as those who start on BECMI / 1e AD&D.
Rubber will meet the road on actually playing but initial rating B+ for 'feel'.
S.
I don't know, I started on 3e and I like it. Then again, my current system of choice is Labyrinth Lord.
Soooo, I guess you're both right and wrong? :DRatpick2012-05-26T02:49:48ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestStefan Hillhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#972012-05-26T00:24:23Z2012-05-26T00:24:23Z<p>Well so far I like it. I think those who started on D&D 3e/3.5e perhaps won't like it as much as those who start on BECMI / 1e AD&D.</p>
<p>Rubber will meet the road on actually playing but initial rating B+ for 'feel'.</p>
<p>S.</p>Well so far I like it. I think those who started on D&D 3e/3.5e perhaps won't like it as much as those who start on BECMI / 1e AD&D.
Rubber will meet the road on actually playing but initial rating B+ for 'feel'.
S.Stefan Hill2012-05-26T00:24:23ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestSteve Geddeshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#962012-05-25T22:20:44Z2012-05-25T22:20:44Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">David knott 242 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> No, I managed to download the file before I took the survey.
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</blockquote><p>Cheers. Just have to be lucky enough to catch them at a quiet moment. Presumably days two and onward will be better.David knott 242 wrote:No, I managed to download the file before I took the survey.
Cheers. Just have to be lucky enough to catch them at a quiet moment. Presumably days two and onward will be better.Steve Geddes2012-05-25T22:20:44ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestDavid knott 242https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#952012-05-25T22:03:35Z2012-05-25T22:03:35Z<p>No, I managed to download the file before I took the survey.</p>No, I managed to download the file before I took the survey.David knott 2422012-05-25T22:03:35ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestSteve Geddeshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#942012-05-25T21:52:28Z2012-05-25T21:52:28Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">sirmattdusty wrote:</div><blockquote> How are people getting this playtest? Even today - nearly 24 hours of trying, i'm still unable to download it... </blockquote><p>It worked first time for me, but the age looked like it had hung - no little hourglass. Or anything to show it was working. I did the survey first - not sure if that matters or not, but I could see that being a potential requirement for downloading each packet.sirmattdusty wrote:How are people getting this playtest? Even today - nearly 24 hours of trying, i'm still unable to download it...
It worked first time for me, but the age looked like it had hung - no little hourglass. Or anything to show it was working. I did the survey first - not sure if that matters or not, but I could see that being a potential requirement for downloading each packet.Steve Geddes2012-05-25T21:52:28ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestRatpickhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#932012-05-25T19:53:25Z2012-05-25T19:53:25Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Slaunyeh wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Cintra Bristol wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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An adventure, a monster file, five characters (incl. two different clerics to show the effect of different domains), how-to-play rules, and DM rules/guidelines.
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</blockquote>Speaking of Domains, they talk about including two different clerics to demonstrate how domains work, but I didn't see any reference to domains on the character sheets? </blockquote><p>It's probably hidden somewhere behind the curtain at the moment. Much like how we know that the Rogue has a Rogue Scheme called Thief, but don't have any other Rogue Schemes to compare it to. Could the answer be in the spell choices? I know the Clerics have standardized preparation for the playtest, but there might be some clues in that. What can the other Cleric prepare that the other can't?
<p>I personally can't wait for them to pull back the curtain.</p>Slaunyeh wrote:Cintra Bristol wrote:
An adventure, a monster file, five characters (incl. two different clerics to show the effect of different domains), how-to-play rules, and DM rules/guidelines.
Speaking of Domains, they talk about including two different clerics to demonstrate how domains work, but I didn't see any reference to domains on the character sheets? It's probably hidden somewhere behind the curtain at the moment. Much like how we know that the Rogue has a Rogue Scheme called...Ratpick2012-05-25T19:53:25ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestSlaunyehhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#922012-05-25T19:49:35Z2012-05-25T19:49:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cintra Bristol wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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An adventure, a monster file, five characters (incl. two different clerics to show the effect of different domains), how-to-play rules, and DM rules/guidelines.
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</blockquote><p>Speaking of Domains, they talk about including two different clerics to demonstrate how domains work, but I didn't see any reference to domains on the character sheets?Cintra Bristol wrote:An adventure, a monster file, five characters (incl. two different clerics to show the effect of different domains), how-to-play rules, and DM rules/guidelines.
Speaking of Domains, they talk about including two different clerics to demonstrate how domains work, but I didn't see any reference to domains on the character sheets?Slaunyeh2012-05-25T19:49:35ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestRatpickhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#912012-05-25T19:31:11Z2012-05-25T19:31:11Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Davor wrote:</div><blockquote>It's clear looking at the pre-gen characters that themes and backgrounds can have a major effect on your character, but what struck me the most was how you get RP benefits for these choices, like a character with the Knight background (not restricted to class = LOVE) being able to acquire rations at no charge due to his public standing.</blockquote><p>Oh, yes! This I absolutely loved!
<p>Especially the Researcher trait from the Elf Wizard's background! Even if he doesn't know a certain piece of information, he knows where he can find that information!</p>
<p>Instant adventure seeds!</p>Davor wrote:It's clear looking at the pre-gen characters that themes and backgrounds can have a major effect on your character, but what struck me the most was how you get RP benefits for these choices, like a character with the Knight background (not restricted to class = LOVE) being able to acquire rations at no charge due to his public standing.
Oh, yes! This I absolutely loved! Especially the Researcher trait from the Elf Wizard's background! Even if he doesn't know a certain piece of...Ratpick2012-05-25T19:31:11ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestDavor (alias of Manijin)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#902012-05-25T19:26:31Z2012-05-25T19:26:31Z<p>I just got the chance to look over it, and from what I can see in the playtest, I really, really, REALLY like the direction the game is going in.</p>
<p>It takes some of the things that are familiar to most gamers, especially in 3.0+ (bestiary layouts, saving throws, etc.), and blends them with a few of the things I like about 4th edition. It's clear looking at the pre-gen characters that themes and backgrounds can have a major effect on your character, but what struck me the most was how you get RP benefits for these choices, like a character with the Knight background (not restricted to class = LOVE) being able to acquire rations at no charge due to his public standing.</p>
<p>I noticed that monsters don't have a CR or "Level", just varying XP values, which I also like. Characters all seem to be good at different things, and I love how different the two presented clerics are. I don't see anything pertaining to domains, but I guess that'll come around when we can actually build our own characters.</p>
<p>I also like that skills have been thrown out, and a group can decide whether a specific action is tied to any of the ability scores for a check (with a few guidelines in place), but you can gain bonuses to specific checks. Best streamlining of the system I've seen, and I'm really digging it.</p>I just got the chance to look over it, and from what I can see in the playtest, I really, really, REALLY like the direction the game is going in.
It takes some of the things that are familiar to most gamers, especially in 3.0+ (bestiary layouts, saving throws, etc.), and blends them with a few of the things I like about 4th edition. It's clear looking at the pre-gen characters that themes and backgrounds can have a major effect on your character, but what struck me the most was how you get...Davor (alias of Manijin)2012-05-25T19:26:31ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestJerry Wright 307 (alias of Jerry Wright)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#892012-05-25T19:15:51Z2012-05-25T19:15:51Z<p>Interesting that they made the Concentration check a standard roll for wizards.</p>Interesting that they made the Concentration check a standard roll for wizards.Jerry Wright 307 (alias of Jerry Wright)2012-05-25T19:15:51ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestRatpickhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#882012-05-25T19:12:29Z2012-05-25T19:12:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Jerry Wright 307 wrote:</div><blockquote> Look on the wizard character sheet under "Casting a Spell". </blockquote><p>Also, under that section you can find one of my favourite things ever: being hurt in combat makes Wizards so shaken that they can't concentrate properly for their next round of combat. :)
<p>It's not much, but it should make Wizard spell-casting a lot less reliable than in 3e and a lot less boring than in 4e.</p>Jerry Wright 307 wrote:Look on the wizard character sheet under "Casting a Spell".
Also, under that section you can find one of my favourite things ever: being hurt in combat makes Wizards so shaken that they can't concentrate properly for their next round of combat. :) It's not much, but it should make Wizard spell-casting a lot less reliable than in 3e and a lot less boring than in 4e.Ratpick2012-05-25T19:12:29ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestJerry Wright 307 (alias of Jerry Wright)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#872012-05-25T18:56:22Z2012-05-25T18:56:22Z<p>Look on the wizard character sheet under "Casting a Spell".</p>Look on the wizard character sheet under "Casting a Spell".Jerry Wright 307 (alias of Jerry Wright)2012-05-25T18:56:22ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestDiffanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#862012-05-25T18:50:46Z2012-05-25T18:50:46Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Jerry Wright 307 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Speaking of wizards, did anyone notice that you "can't cast wizard spells while wearing armor"?</p>
<p>It's not a chance of spell failure. It's all or nothing.</p>
<p>Looking for more tidbits.... </blockquote><p>Where's this listed? I can't seem to find in on the Wizard pre-gen character or the Armor section?Jerry Wright 307 wrote:Speaking of wizards, did anyone notice that you "can't cast wizard spells while wearing armor"?
It's not a chance of spell failure. It's all or nothing.
Looking for more tidbits....
Where's this listed? I can't seem to find in on the Wizard pre-gen character or the Armor section?Diffan2012-05-25T18:50:46ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestCintra Bristolhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#852012-05-25T18:28:55Z2012-05-25T18:28:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">A Ninja wrote:</div><blockquote> ...from what I can gather you recieve a Module Adventure, A fighter, Cleric, Rogue and Wizard pre-gen Character and a copy of rules in the packet. Right? </blockquote><p>An adventure, a monster file, five characters (incl. two different clerics to show the effect of different domains), how-to-play rules, and DM rules/guidelines.
<p>It weighs in at just over a hundred pages, NOT including the pregen PCs. Well more than I expected, to be honest.</p>
<p>The PCs have information for playing them at levels 1-3.</p>
<p>The monster file includes an Owlbear...</p>A Ninja wrote:...from what I can gather you recieve a Module Adventure, A fighter, Cleric, Rogue and Wizard pre-gen Character and a copy of rules in the packet. Right?
An adventure, a monster file, five characters (incl. two different clerics to show the effect of different domains), how-to-play rules, and DM rules/guidelines. It weighs in at just over a hundred pages, NOT including the pregen PCs. Well more than I expected, to be honest.
The PCs have information for playing them at levels...Cintra Bristol2012-05-25T18:28:55ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestRatpickhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#842012-05-25T18:06:50Z2012-05-25T18:06:50Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">David knott 242 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I noticed that the method of handling spells for clerics is very close to the approach taken in Arcana Unearthed/Evolved. You have a certain number of spells prepared, and that number has nothing to do with the number of slots that you have available for casting spells. Casting a spell uses up a slot for the day, but you do not lose the spell if you have slots left — in fact, there seems to be no point in preparing a spell more than once.</p>
<p></blockquote><p>Yeah, this is also one of the nice things about Next. It's not much, but it sure makes Vancian casting by Clerics at least a bit different from Vancian casting by Wizards.
<p>And by my reading, it is EXACTLY the Arcana Unearthed method: you prepare a list of spells like a Wizard, and then you use your spell slots to cast those spells freely like a Sorcerer.</p>David knott 242 wrote:I noticed that the method of handling spells for clerics is very close to the approach taken in Arcana Unearthed/Evolved. You have a certain number of spells prepared, and that number has nothing to do with the number of slots that you have available for casting spells. Casting a spell uses up a slot for the day, but you do not lose the spell if you have slots left -- in fact, there seems to be no point in preparing a spell more than once.
Yeah, this is also one of the...Ratpick2012-05-25T18:06:50ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestSoulkeeperhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#832012-05-25T17:42:25Z2012-05-25T17:42:25Z<p>I am also in the playtest, and to be honest, I can simply toss in 1 or 2 things, and remove 1 or 2 things from Pathfinder and the game is the same.</p>
<p>Understand that this playtest is very limited on options, so that may change, but seriously there is not much to test.</p>I am also in the playtest, and to be honest, I can simply toss in 1 or 2 things, and remove 1 or 2 things from Pathfinder and the game is the same.
Understand that this playtest is very limited on options, so that may change, but seriously there is not much to test.Soulkeeper2012-05-25T17:42:25ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestDavid knott 242https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#822012-05-25T17:39:29Z2012-05-25T17:39:29Z<p>I noticed that the method of handling spells for clerics is very close to the approach taken in Arcana Unearthed/Evolved. You have a certain number of spells prepared, and that number has nothing to do with the number of slots that you have available for casting spells. Casting a spell uses up a slot for the day, but you do not lose the spell if you have slots left — in fact, there seems to be no point in preparing a spell more than once.</p>I noticed that the method of handling spells for clerics is very close to the approach taken in Arcana Unearthed/Evolved. You have a certain number of spells prepared, and that number has nothing to do with the number of slots that you have available for casting spells. Casting a spell uses up a slot for the day, but you do not lose the spell if you have slots left -- in fact, there seems to be no point in preparing a spell more than once.David knott 2422012-05-25T17:39:29ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestJerry Wright 307 (alias of Jerry Wright)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#812012-05-25T16:25:11Z2012-05-25T16:25:11Z<p>I do like the old-school feel of wizards in robes.</p>
<p>I also want to point out that it's <i>wizard</i> spells, not arcane. Maybe other arcane classes will have th ability to wear armor while casting spells.</p>
<p>I'd agree with the disadvantage while wearing armor idea, Ratpick, but if the Advantage/Disadvantage mechanic is still in the game when 5E comes out, I'll just houserule it away.</p>I do like the old-school feel of wizards in robes.
I also want to point out that it's wizard spells, not arcane. Maybe other arcane classes will have th ability to wear armor while casting spells.
I'd agree with the disadvantage while wearing armor idea, Ratpick, but if the Advantage/Disadvantage mechanic is still in the game when 5E comes out, I'll just houserule it away.Jerry Wright 307 (alias of Jerry Wright)2012-05-25T16:25:11ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestRatpickhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#802012-05-25T15:45:24Z2012-05-25T15:45:24Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Jerry Wright 307 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Speaking of wizards, did anyone notice that you "can't cast wizard spells while wearing armor"?</p>
<p>It's not a chance of spell failure. It's all or nothing.</p>
<p>Looking for more tidbits.... </blockquote><p>This is, to me, a welcome change. I admit, I came to 3e by way of Rolemaster, and in Rolemaster a Wizard technically could cast spells in armor, they only got a penalty on the roll depending on the armor they were wearing. 3e's spell failure mechanic seemed nicely reminiscient of that.
<p>Later on, I've become of the mind that spell failure mechanics are a bit too fiddly and dilute the role of the Wizard as a dude/dudette in robes.</p>
<p>Then again, I'm sure they'll introduce some modular rules for spell-casting in armor. Like, you count as disadvantaged for all spell-casting rolls and spell attack rolls when wearing armor? It's simple yet punitive.</p>Jerry Wright 307 wrote:Speaking of wizards, did anyone notice that you "can't cast wizard spells while wearing armor"?
It's not a chance of spell failure. It's all or nothing.
Looking for more tidbits....
This is, to me, a welcome change. I admit, I came to 3e by way of Rolemaster, and in Rolemaster a Wizard technically could cast spells in armor, they only got a penalty on the roll depending on the armor they were wearing. 3e's spell failure mechanic seemed nicely reminiscient of that....Ratpick2012-05-25T15:45:24ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestStefan Hillhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#792012-05-25T16:21:18Z2012-05-25T15:44:50Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Jerry Wright 307 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Speaking of wizards, did anyone notice that you "can't cast wizard spells while wearing armor"?</p>
<p>It's not a chance of spell failure. It's all or nothing.</p>
<p>Looking for more tidbits.... </blockquote><p>Liking already. WotC finally found to RESET button to stop D&D devolving any further from being, well, D&D.Jerry Wright 307 wrote:Speaking of wizards, did anyone notice that you "can't cast wizard spells while wearing armor"?
It's not a chance of spell failure. It's all or nothing.
Looking for more tidbits....
Liking already. WotC finally found to RESET button to stop D&D devolving any further from being, well, D&D.Stefan Hill2012-05-25T15:44:50ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestRockheimrhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#782012-05-25T15:44:46Z2012-05-25T15:44:46Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Gorbacz wrote:</div><blockquote> So, I was kind of right. It's a love letter to 1E/2E fans with bits and pieces from 3E and 4E thrown in. I guess that's the most sensible thing for WotC to do: target all those OSRIC/C&C/S&W folks who don't have a single, strong brand behind them. This ruleset will have a fanbase without having to go head-on against PF. </blockquote><p>Hm, if you're right, that seems a bit pointless to me.
<p>I actually think only a truly new system that allowed you to play D&D only better will be interesting to a broad spread of players now. Rehashing rules and rejigging a tad may win some curiosity/nostalgia purchases early doors, but I doubt it'll make the big swing back wotc clearly want/need. </p>
<p>I may be wrong of course, we'll see, but trying to please everyone as they seem to be won't work imo. People who like 3.5e have PF, people who like 1e have 1e, the four or five guys here who like 4e ( ;-) ) have 4e. </p>
<p>It's not easy to see what they could do - other than going balls out and maybe ... just maybe ... addressing some of the things that have been shakey through all the editions; Levels, AC, and HPs for example.</p>Gorbacz wrote:So, I was kind of right. It's a love letter to 1E/2E fans with bits and pieces from 3E and 4E thrown in. I guess that's the most sensible thing for WotC to do: target all those OSRIC/C&C/S&W folks who don't have a single, strong brand behind them. This ruleset will have a fanbase without having to go head-on against PF.
Hm, if you're right, that seems a bit pointless to me. I actually think only a truly new system that allowed you to play D&D only better will be interesting to...Rockheimr2012-05-25T15:44:46ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestJerry Wright 307 (alias of Jerry Wright)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#772012-05-25T15:36:45Z2012-05-25T15:36:45Z<p>Speaking of wizards, did anyone notice that you "can't cast wizard spells while wearing armor"?</p>
<p>It's not a chance of spell failure. It's all or nothing.</p>
<p>Looking for more tidbits....</p>Speaking of wizards, did anyone notice that you "can't cast wizard spells while wearing armor"?
It's not a chance of spell failure. It's all or nothing.
Looking for more tidbits....Jerry Wright 307 (alias of Jerry Wright)2012-05-25T15:36:45ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestRatpickhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#762012-05-25T15:35:48Z2012-05-25T15:35:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">GM Elton wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Uhm, guys:</p>
<p>The Wizard is the weakest class in low level combat, to be sure. </blockquote><p>I don't know. The Wizard does get a lot of goodies in addition to its Vancian spell-casting (hence why, above, I said they get all the best from both 3e and 4e): they have spells like magic missile, ray of frost and shocking grasp at will. Magic missile isn't that big a deal, it's just 1d4+Int damage, but it's an automatic hit. Ray of frost requires an attack roll, but if it succeeds it completely stops the enemy in its tracks. Shocking grasp, while requiring the enemy to be next to you, deals very respectful damage.
<p>I mean, the Wizard isn't the strongest class in terms of sheer damage output, but the fact that it has a number of at-will combat spells in addition to its choice of daily prepared spells means that they're more versatile than ever.</p>
<p>Also, while sleep isn't quite as good as it used to be, it's still potentially an encounter-wipe against creatures with less than 10 hp. In addition to that, it has a pretty good effect on creatures it can't actually put to sleep.</p>
<p>There isn't a lot of parity between the playtest characters at the moment, but the Wizard is at least based on a quick analysis not the weakest of the bunch.</p>
<p>I admit, my first impressions are subject to change after I've finally got to play this thing.</p>GM Elton wrote:Uhm, guys:
The Wizard is the weakest class in low level combat, to be sure.
I don't know. The Wizard does get a lot of goodies in addition to its Vancian spell-casting (hence why, above, I said they get all the best from both 3e and 4e): they have spells like magic missile, ray of frost and shocking grasp at will. Magic missile isn't that big a deal, it's just 1d4+Int damage, but it's an automatic hit. Ray of frost requires an attack roll, but if it succeeds it completely...Ratpick2012-05-25T15:35:48ZRe: Forums: 4th Edition: Participating in the D&D Next PlaytestJerry Wright 307 (alias of Jerry Wright)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o5vn&page=2?Participating-in-the-DD-Next-Playtest#752012-05-25T15:28:39Z2012-05-25T15:28:39Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">GM Elton wrote:</div><blockquote><p>Uhm, guys:</p>
<p>The Wizard is the weakest class in low level combat, to be sure.</p>
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<p>Is there a point to that statement?</p>GM Elton wrote:Uhm, guys:
The Wizard is the weakest class in low level combat, to be sure.
... Is there a point to that statement?Jerry Wright 307 (alias of Jerry Wright)2012-05-25T15:28:39Z