What's the best casting stat for a sorcerer?

[Xavier319]

I've been looking at the Int and Wis based sorcs lately, and was just curious what people think about it, from both a flavor and optimization stand point. I'm currently playing an Int based sage sorc, but i am kinda miffed I had to give up the metamagic DC boost since I'm playing a metamagic specialist. essentially, do you think int as a casting stat is worth giving up that bloodline arcana? and what are the merits of int and wis based casting vs cha in regards to the sorcerer class? I know what I think, just curious what others think and interested to watch a dialogue about it.

[Nicos]

Int will give you more skills.

Wis will wige you more perception and a better will save(a very important save)- This is maybe the stat more optimized for combat.

Char will make you good at social skills and UMD.

They all have their merits, it all depends of what do you whant to do with your character.

[blackbloodtroll]

It's all about the build.

[Xarthos Darkblade]

I used the Wisdom one recently with Cleric for a Mystic Theuge NPC in the campaign I'm running. Was nice only having to focus on one stat and not having to go the sorc/oracle route with charisma.

Agree with the others though, it's all about what you want to do with the build.

[Wasum]

Sage lets you dump CH so you will likely have a better casting stat to bbegin with - and that might give you a better save-DC anyway, so missing out the arcana is not that important - even though it would still be great to have it:D

Playing sage as well and really enjoy it.

[Umbral Reaver]

If all you want is 'able to defeat most nonspecific encounters', wisdom is probably the best choice. Perception and will save, and the bloodline is solid.

The others give other options that are useful for other concepts and may be better for specialisation such as single school focuses (usually evocation from elemental/draconic/orc or enchantment from fey/infernal). Although, if you can get Sage up to 15th level, you get the +2 to all DCs from a single school that beats the fey or infernal arcanas by far.

[Crysknife]

For me, sorcerer HAS to cast on charisma.

However, for optimization, I think that WIS is the best option, followed by INT. I'll still pick CHA any day.

[Xavier319]

Well, my character's concept was that he comes from a long line of diplmats and shamans from the Shoanti people, and he botched a clan truce and caused many deaths, forcing him out of his family and into the world. i figured it would be ironic for him to have a decent to low charisma to represent that, he's very cerebral and never fit in with his fellows very well. Though on that note, the extra skills are very nice, though i'm not sure about missing out on the +1 to DC, it hurts, i like the idea of all my metamagic DCs being higher. i like the fact that you can have other kinds of sorcs, and they dont have to be pretty faces.

[Umbral Reaver]

Chances are, most spells you cast won't be metamagic. In any case, the arcana doesn't let you raise the DC higher than your normal highest possible DC.

[Corlindale]

Losing the +1 DC may be a little annoying, but odds are you will be slightly less MAD with a build that doesn't need Charisma (because dumping cha is more feasible than dumping Int in general, unless you don't care about skills normally), so you may be able to compensate by putting a higher starting score in your casting stat (which will benefit ALL your spells).

[Fake Healer]

Haven't played a Sorc yet....where are the rules for using Int and/or Wis instead of Cha as the casting stat? Haven't seen it yet and I am wondering if it is in a book I haven't read yet.
Thanks.

[Fake Healer]

Fake Healer wrote:

Haven't played a Sorc yet....where are the rules for using Int and/or Wis instead of Cha as the casting stat? Haven't seen it yet and I am wondering if it is in a book I haven't read yet.

Thanks.

I assume it's an Achetype?

[evilash]

Fake Healer wrote:

Haven't played a Sorc yet....where are the rules for using Int and/or Wis instead of Cha as the casting stat? Haven't seen it yet and I am wondering if it is in a book I haven't read yet.

Thanks.

Int as casting stat is the bloodline arcana for the Sage wildblooded bloodline, while Wis is the bloodline arcana for the Empyreal wildblooded bloodline.

[Fake Healer]

evilash wrote:

Fake Healer wrote:

Haven't played a Sorc yet....where are the rules for using Int and/or Wis instead of Cha as the casting stat? Haven't seen it yet and I am wondering if it is in a book I haven't read yet.

Thanks.

Int as casting stat is the bloodline arcana for the Sage wildblooded bloodline, while Wis is the bloodline arcana for the Empyreal wildblooded bloodline.

So that is in the Core Rulebook? Never noticed it until this....

Holy lack of perception Batman!

[evilash]

Fake Healer wrote:

So that is in the Core Rulebook?

Not really, the Wildblooded archetype and the wildblooded bloodlines are from Ultimate Magic.

[Fake Healer]

evilash wrote:

Fake Healer wrote:

So that is in the Core Rulebook?

Not really, the Wildblooded archetype and the wildblooded bloodlines are from Ultimate Magic.

Ah, I see...that's why I haven't seen it. Our PM isn't allowing the Ultimates....Thanks for pointing it out!

[Johnico]

Fake Healer wrote:

evilash wrote:

Fake Healer wrote:

So that is in the Core Rulebook?

Not really, the Wildblooded archetype and the wildblooded bloodlines are from Ultimate Magic.

Ah, I see...that's why I haven't seen it. Our PM isn't allowing the Ultimates....Thanks for pointing it out!

PM = Pathmaster?

[Grey Lensman]

A player in one of our games is running with a sage-blooded human sorcerer. The character is probably the closest I have seen to a wizard/sorcerer hybrid out there.

[Xavier319]

I'll stick with sage wildblooded. It's working out well so far, and I cast a LOT of metamagic. gonna have a 19 regardless (rolled stats) but the piles of extra skill points are really nice. I normally play wizards, so it's pseudo-familiar territory for me, which makes me more comfortable.

[LazarX]

I really don't like the Sage or the Empyreal bloodlines. They monkey quite heavily on the established metaphysics of spontaneous casters. I can almost excuse the Empyreal Bloodline, but the Sage one really grinds my gears the wrong way. It seems like it and the Empyreal were put there just to fill in something for the Wildblooded slots for Sage and Celestial. I'd probably ban both from any home campaign I run, although I might give the Empyreal a pass if I got a strong enough case for it, but I'd draw the line at Sage.

[Fake Healer]

Johnico wrote:

Fake Healer wrote:

evilash wrote:

Fake Healer wrote:

So that is in the Core Rulebook?

Not really, the Wildblooded archetype and the wildblooded bloodlines are from Ultimate Magic.

Ah, I see...that's why I haven't seen it. Our PM isn't allowing the Ultimates....Thanks for pointing it out!

PM = Pathmaster?

That's what I calls 'im....maybe it'll catch on.

[Stazamos]

Good ol' Charisma for style, I say.

You don't understand how you do what you do. You simply mold the universe to your whim. Let those wizards study their books and try to turn art into science. You have power, just have fun with it. You don't care what anyone thinks, as long as they love or respect you. And they will, because you're you.

[wargamer]

Nicos wrote:

Int will give you more skills.

Wis will wige you more perception and a better will save(a very important save)- This is maybe the stat more optimized for combat.

Char will make you good at social skills and UMD.

CHA also has good synergy with the paladin and bard for multiclassing. You can build some interesting melee based sorcerers that way.

I recently played in a campaign where I was playing a Paladin/DB Sorc/Dragon Disciple who acted as the parties tank fighter.