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Just finished 24 and can't watch any more now, as I'm out of time.
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Long time lurking, but I felt I had to share this. It's a live action fan film for Dragon Ball Z and it's pretty sweet. It claims to be a pilot episode of a series telling the history of Trunks. I'm hoping for more.

Dragon Ball Z: Light of Hope


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Cairen Weiss wrote:

Long time lurking, but I felt I had to share this. It's a like action fan film for Dragon Ball Z and it's pretty sweet. It claims to be a pilot episode of a series telling the history of Trunks. I'm hoping for more.

Dragon Ball Z: Light of Hope

It's awesome what fan-made live-action series can do these days. I'm really hoping that K & K Productions can get permission to do a live-action DBZ web-series. Their live-action Saiyan Saga trailer was excellent, and they've teased a similar trailer for the Freeza Saga, which unfortunately seems to be on hold unless they get permission from Toei to do more.


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Buta has to carry this daggum series.

EDIT: DANG IT, Series. I knew better than to trust you.

EDIT 2: 26 - really, these guys are stupid. They control [redacted]. They can ensure things don't follow that path. Ugh.

EDIT 3: Let's go, buddy.


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Mine is a drill that creates the heavens.

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Tacticslion wrote:
EDIT 3: Let's go, buddy.

*manly tears*


Daggum right.

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Something awesome for TL and those who haven't seen it.


:D

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I've enjoyed Nobuyuki Hiyama's voice work ever since hearing Ikkaku in Bleach. Part of what makes Viral so awesome.


TriOmegaZero wrote:
I've enjoyed Nobuyuki Hiyama's voice work ever since hearing Ikkaku in Bleach. Part of what makes Viral so awesome.

Yeah, it actually took me a minute to figure out what I was watching. It was... pretty great.

Greylurker wrote:
here is Gurren Parallel 1 just in case you feel the need for a happy ending in a different universe

I have now see this. Thank you. :D


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Tacticslion wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
I've enjoyed Nobuyuki Hiyama's voice work ever since hearing Ikkaku in Bleach. Part of what makes Viral so awesome.

Yeah, it actually took me a minute to figure out what I was watching. It was... pretty great.

Greylurker wrote:
here is Gurren Parallel 1 just in case you feel the need for a happy ending in a different universe
I have now see this. Thank you. :D

Row Row Fight da Powa


I'm up to season 1, episode 6 of the parallels...


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I find it fitting that talking about Gurren Laggan lead to a spiral! of posts relating to it until it became the whole topic.
Perhaps we can convince a Mod to Gattai our thread with another one.
and on the topic of this i think I'll just leave Perhaps this one.

I enjoy the parallel stuff, gotta love them songs.


I've finished everything I can find on the Parallels. I'm missing most of season two, and the last episode of season 1 of the Parallels, but they were fun.


If I enjoyed watching Attack on Titan, Hellsing, and Black Lagoon, what else might I enjoy?


Hrmmm... making a guess based off those.

Tokyo ghoul, Jormungand, Speed Grapher,
Rin: Daughters of Mnemosyne, Gants, Another are also all options if your preference is to watch violent things happen to people. A warning on the first two as they are both pitch dark in theme.


And looking at it again I realize what I was referring to in my previous post was vague.
The darker series are Rin and Gants.


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If I enjoyed watching Attack on Titan, Hellsing, and Black Lagoon, what else might I enjoy?

Madoka Magica.

No, really.


GANTZ, guyver remake/original too possibly, possibly gunslinger girl.

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Berserk (both the TV series and the Golden Age Arc movies), Claymore, Deadman Wonderland, and Cross Ange.


Forgot about berserk...

Need to catch up on cross ange.


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Will have to check out Cross Ange myself, that is one I haven't seen yet.

@Madoka.
Evangelion of the Magical girl genre is always a good romp. Though you need to convince folks to stick around til episode 3 for the sparkles to wear off. There are a few hints as to the sort of roller coaster you are riding before that but episode three is where it the train really starts rolling.


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Madoka is so so worth it.


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Tacticslion wrote:
Mine is a drill that creates the heavens.

You know, a Razmiran Falsepriest (under different flavor) with the False Focus (using a drill as the symbol, naturally), blood money, fabricate, the "create demiplane" spells, and a few other things... could really do this. For real. (Sort of.) Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. Adding to a list of characters I want to play, now. Hmmmm-hmmmm...

EDIT: NO I'M NOT GONNA TEAR UP A BIT WHEN I PLAY HIM AND AM NOT MOISTY A BIT RIGHT NOW. that may be a bit of a lie, dang it

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Tacticslion wrote:
EDIT: NO I'M NOT GONNA TEAR UP A BIT WHEN I PLAY HIM AND AM NOT MOISTY A BIT RIGHT NOW. that may be a bit of a lie, dang it

Bring a tissue with you. :)


... an... exceedingly accurate summary.


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Tacticslion wrote:
Mine is a drill that creates the heavens.

You know, a Razmiran Falsepriest (under different flavor) with the False Focus (using a drill as the symbol, naturally), blood money, fabricate, the "create demiplane" spells, and a few other things... could really do this. For real. (Sort of.) Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. Adding to a list of characters I want to play, now. Hmmmm-hmmmm...

Between the titan fighter barbarian and that fighter archetype from the giant hunter guide one could actually wield a humanoid sized giga drill.

Shrink item, lighten object and a glove of storing. Were one to make that same drill rocket propelled with some of the science handbook stuff it might even stay relevant at higher levels.

Hmmm I think im going to need to make a thread devoted to homebrew/rule tricks to make spiral energy a thing for pathfinder. Ought not to even be that hard if I use some of the stuff from ultimate psionics.

Also I interposed gunslinger girl and grenade when I saw that as a suggestion. But was wise enough to look to the series before asking why cleavage reloading gun-kata would be on the list with those other ones.
Also gunslinger girl is depressing.

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F-yeah! (Freehold stay out.)


Movin wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Mine is a drill that creates the heavens.

You know, a Razmiran Falsepriest (under different flavor) with the False Focus (using a drill as the symbol, naturally), blood money, fabricate, the "create demiplane" spells, and a few other things... could really do this. For real. (Sort of.) Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. Adding to a list of characters I want to play, now. Hmmmm-hmmmm...

Between the titan fighter barbarian and that fighter archetype from the giant hunter guide one could actually wield a humanoid sized giga drill.

Shrink item, lighten object and a glove of storing. Were one to make that same drill rocket propelled with some of the science handbook stuff it might even stay relevant at higher levels.

Hmmm I think im going to need to make a thread devoted to homebrew/rule tricks to make spiral energy a thing for pathfinder. Ought not to even be that hard if I use some of the stuff from ultimate psionics.

Also I interposed gunslinger girl and grenade when I saw that as a suggestion. But was wise enough to look to the series before asking why cleavage reloading gun-kata would be on the list with those other ones.
Also gunslinger girl is depressing.

incredibly so!


AWESOME COVER! :D


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Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:

Seconding the recommendation of Barakamon. Funny and sweet.

Log Horizon is boring as hell, at least it was the first season - haven't tried s2. The story was decent enough but every single episode was boring all the way through until the last 4-5 minutes in which they had a cliff-hanger. Simply, the show was too darn slow and didn't give us enough good visuals or interesting characters to focus on while it wasted time.

Log Horizon is not an action series per se. It's about a large group of people in a situation trying to (re)build their lives and create a working society.


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Watching Ah! My Goddess - AND I FREAKING HATE THE STUPID LITTLE BRAT SKULD. She is simply awful and has no redeeming personality features. She's a mechanical genius, and Belldandy's sister, and feels really guilty about the stupid things she constantly does, and that's the sum total of her redeeming features. >:(


She is also the norn of that which will be. Skuld is an old norse form of skall, will or shall in english. The word also means guilt and debt. Her sisters, Ur is that which was (ancient, source), and Belldandy... whoa. Engrish certainly got the better of that one. Her name was originally Verdandi (being, what is). Perhaps it is easier for you with these interpretations?

In other news, I just finished watching Fractale. It was as they say, a very well designed series with massive production values, but that failed to resolve its story satisfactorily. It could have been so good, so much more, but got bogged down in small-scale stuff (which was okay, but...).


Sissyl wrote:
Perhaps it is easier for you with these interpretations?

No, because I hate her.

She works to make the stupid problems she causes better, but she constantly causes problems, and then... blames everyone else. AAAAAAAARRRRRRG.

She is literally a terrible child, lacking appropriate discipline or boundaries.


Tacticslion wrote:
Watching Ah! My Goddess - AND I FREAKING HATE THE STUPID LITTLE BRAT SKULD. She is simply awful and has no redeeming personality features. She's a mechanical genius, and Belldandy's sister, and feels really guilty about the stupid things she constantly does, and that's the sum total of her redeeming features. >:(

she is protrayed considerably better in the manga. Keep in mind at the time oh my goddess/ah, megami-sama came out, you were supposed to have read the manga exclusively- the ova was a treat.

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I keep meaning to watch Fractale, seeing as it's set in my hometown, but have yet to get around to it.


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Tacticslion wrote:
Watching Ah! My Goddess - AND I FREAKING HATE THE STUPID LITTLE BRAT SKULD. She is simply awful and has no redeeming personality features. She's a mechanical genius, and Belldandy's sister, and feels really guilty about the stupid things she constantly does, and that's the sum total of her redeeming features. >:(
she is protrayed considerably better in the manga. Keep in mind at the time oh my goddess/ah, megami-sama came out, you were supposed to have read the manga exclusively- the ova was a treat.

Seen the first OVA. Enjoyed it. She was nearly as lame, but not quite.

Generally, I actually prefer the series, as it takes enough time for anything to develop, and, as of 18-19, Keiichi finally makes sense in his hesitations and insecurities (a throw-away-line at 19 finally brought in the fact that he still doesn't quite believe Belldandy will stay with him; which makes his strong hesitations all the more admirable, when prior to that it'd just been irritating), and everything else (because of that extra time) has been pleasant.

But in both series and OVA, Skuld is simply awful. She is desperate need of discipline and guidance, and everything she does that harms others is exclusively for her benefits. She is obnoxious, petty, and arrogant. Her genius is undeniable, but she treats everyone so poorly that I don't really care. She is the reason for half the problems and difficulties Belldandy and Keiichi suffer in Season 1. And herself. Ugh.


It was a fun ride. It's just that the setting is quite something, bringing with it questions of society, technology, identity, survival, and similar lofty themes. These did not get much in the way of a payoff or answer.


Tacticslion wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Watching Ah! My Goddess - AND I FREAKING HATE THE STUPID LITTLE BRAT SKULD. She is simply awful and has no redeeming personality features. She's a mechanical genius, and Belldandy's sister, and feels really guilty about the stupid things she constantly does, and that's the sum total of her redeeming features. >:(
she is protrayed considerably better in the manga. Keep in mind at the time oh my goddess/ah, megami-sama came out, you were supposed to have read the manga exclusively- the ova was a treat.

Seen the first OVA. Enjoyed it. She was nearly as lame, but not quite.

Generally, I actually prefer the series, as it takes enough time for anything to develop, and, as of 18-19, Keiichi finally makes sense in his hesitations and insecurities (a throw-away-line at 19 finally brought in the fact that he still doesn't quite believe Belldandy will stay with him; which makes his strong hesitations all the more admirable, when prior to that it'd just been irritating), and everything else (because of that extra time) has been pleasant.

But in both series and OVA, Skuld is simply awful. She is desperate need of discipline and guidance, and everything she does that harms others is exclusively for her benefits. She is obnoxious, petty, and arrogant. Her genius is undeniable, but she treats everyone so poorly that I don't really care. She is the reason for half the problems and difficulties Belldandy and Keiichi suffer in Season 1. And herself. Ugh.

Need to check out the series, then. I am going by the old OVA. I maintain that she is MUCH better in the manga- more mischeivous than outright careless/callous/mean.


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Need to check out the series, then. I am going by the old OVA. I maintain that she is MUCH better in the manga- more mischeivous than outright careless/callous/mean.

I'd recommend it. She's not mean in the sense that she wants people to suffer. She's petty and callous because she will cause people problems (some intentional, some not) just to get her way, and generally blame others when things go awry.

Urd, by contrast, fails and causes problems, but genuinely wants to help.

Skuld comes off as if she could care less and let the world burn, if she could just have her "big sister" for Skuld and Skuld alone.

EDIT: To be clear, Urd was more annoying in the OVA - she wasn't entirely bad, but she was more annoying - and Skuld much less so in the OVA.

But in the series, Skuld needs someone to reign her in.

It's a solid take on a child- and childish-character. Children are, by nature, greedy, selfish, and petty (though many are also kind, sweet, and giving - kids are complicated). Thus, it comes off as a comprehensible kid.

The problems are the combination of arrogance on her part and the fact that she's juuuuuuuuuust devious enough not to push Belldandy too far to get thrown out (though, really, could she do that?), but still torment Keiichi whenever possible to attempt to drive a wedge between them.

It's not justifiable.

She loses a match: she uses an electric buzzer on her opponent who was being gracious and telling her she did a great job and could probably win next time.

She pulls anything that fails, and attempts to explode (with grenades) whatever it was, no matter who is nearby or who might be hurt, just to avoid admitting defeat.

She causes something to go wrong and someone gets hurt, and she'll step in and help fix it, then blame it all on someone else.

There are a few times when she's a solid character.

Most of the time she's terrible, and I'm wondering why her parents aren't a lot more firm (even if it seems like said parents are distant for <plot reasons>); as a parent myself, that's exactly the sort of behavior that would result in the removal of privileges and, actually putting peoples' lives at risk (which, despite never seeming to happen in the series, is at least implied by all the high-grade ordinance) is... I don't even know a word for it. Outrageous? Evil?

Yes, she feels guilty when people are hurt.

That doesn't stop her from doing exceedingly similar stupid things.

And it's all because she doesn't respect her older sister's wishes; she claims to, and thinks she does, but in the end, she wants her own way, regardless of how Keiichi and Belldandy both feel.

Perfectly childish. Perfectly terrible.

(It very much so models a child's relationship to a new adult in, say, a previously-single-parent relationship - after a divorce or similar. And, frankly, Keiichi is handling it rather amazingly well. That doesn't stop Skuld from earning lots and lots of ire.)

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Has any watched Lord Marksman and Vanadis yet? I'm told it's a fantasy anime with tons of political intrigue and mass combat where the tactics are explained using chess pieces. It sounds like this is right in my wheelhouse, but I'd like to get confirmation before I start delving into it.

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It's pretty good despite the harem elements.

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I'm a fan of Arlsan. Harem elements don't bother me in the slightest.

I did go back and check the thread and saw you discussing this very anime, which I somehow overlooked at the time. Based on that and this, I'll add it to my expanding list of currently watched anime.


Skuld is a brat, but there is more to her than that. There are a couple of stories about her that I think are important.

The first is the robot battle with Megumi. Beyond being a fun episode I think it really illustrates how alone she is. The girl is genius, beyond what even her siblings can understand and that iscolates her, in part largly due to the fact that she is determined to prouve she doesn't need anyone's help. Between Urd's teasing and her hero worship of Belldandy Skuld actually has built up a huge inferiority complex for herself. She is still too young to use magic and not emotionally stable enough to really understand the world but she is desperate to prouve she is the equal to her sisters.

The other is when she learns to ride a bike. This story has two major events for her. The first is Belldandy lets her fail. She falls and hurts herself and Bell lets it happen. It's a major blow to her world view.
The other event of course is that she meets a boy her own age, which opens up her world view tremendously


Greylurker wrote:
Skuld is a brat, but there is more to her than that.

It's well-hidden in the series.

Greylurker wrote:
The first is the robot battle with Megumi. Beyond being a fun episode I think it really illustrates how alone she is. The girl is genius, beyond what even her siblings can understand and that iscolates her, in part largly due to the fact that she is determined to prouve she doesn't need anyone's help. Between Urd's teasing and her hero worship of Belldandy Skuld actually has built up a huge inferiority complex for herself.

The bolded part is entirely the problem. That is compounded by the fact that she simply doesn't receive the discipline she needs. She's allowed to think that and try to the extent that it hurts others... and frankly, I can't blame Keiichi - he's really just trying to survive and do as well as he can with rules he can't understand while dealing with beings who could literally kill him any time they wanted -, and as I've never seen her mother, it's quite possible that it's a complex resulting from the fact that she has no strong central female figure in her life and is substituting Belldandy for it. I might blame Belldandy or Urd, but the latter has her own really, really, really huge problems and is always undermined by Skuld no matter what she does, and that just leaves the former... who is also making sure the fragile mortal boy doesn't (physically or mentally) snap in two from the mystic powers running all around him that could destroy him at any time.

All of this is a problem, but Skuld's terrible aspect is that she is actively interfering with the lives of others just so she can have her own way. This isn't acceptable behavior, and leaves me absolutely furious at her.

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She is still too young to use magic and not emotionally stable enough to really understand the world but she is desperate to prouve she is the equal to her sisters.

This episode - where we learn of Uld's angel, and she tries to learn magic - is actually one of the better ones of hers. It's very recent and I still don't know if she's actually learned her lesson or not, but it's made abundantly clear that she can't handle things on her own, and that her current attempts were either failures, or successes-that-almost-killed-her-because-she-was-stupid (and nearly took Keiichi with her).

Greylurker wrote:

The other is when she learns to ride a bike. This story has two major events for her. The first is Belldandy lets her fail. She falls and hurts herself and Bell lets it happen. It's a major blow to her world view.

The other event of course is that she meets a boy her own age, which opens up her world view tremendously

I have not seen this episode (I'm at ep. 22), hence I can't comment. Perhaps my view will change (like how ep. 19 finally revealed Keiichi's innermost fear, and the reason he's held back for so long and so fiercely*).

I want to give her slack, because she's a kid.

But she is old enough to know better, and is a very unpleasant person, completely caught up in her own desires and wants without any real ability to empathize with others or consider the consequences of her actions.

Even at her best - like she is in 22 - she's a jerk as much as a helper.

I like kids. I don't like this kid.

*:
Because he's afraid that Belldandy will leave him; his lifelong luck has been so poor, he can't actually believe she'll stay, regardless of what he wants. He doesn't want to make any incorrect action, because he really does love her, and he doesn't want either of them to suffer the consequences if she has to leave him.

^ This is not all said in 19 - only the fact that he's afraid she might go again. But taken in context, a picture is finally revealed.


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Bell and Keiichi is one of my favorite romances in Anime. I know a lot of people call the series a Harem but I've never seen it. To me the show is Bell and Keiichi. All the other characters serve to help bring them together or provide obsticles for them to surmount.

I really have to get around to buying the rest of the Manga to see how the story ends.


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Harem? Nonsense.

Urd is mine dammit.


Greylurker wrote:

Bell and Keiichi is one of my favorite romances in Anime. I know a lot of people call the series a Harem but I've never seen it. To me the show is Bell and Keiichi. All the other characters serve to help bring them together or provide obsticles for them to surmount.

I really have to get around to buying the rest of the Manga to see how the story ends.

ABSOLUTELY.

It has superficially similar traits to harem anime - there is a mundane guy surrounded by beautiful women with amazing talents - but that's all.

There is absolutely no competition for Bell and Keiichi, and I love it. Holy carp, it's such a daggum beautiful thing. Their absolute devotion to one another, even in the face of spells, lies, and strife is gorgeous, and it's the thing that made me fall in love with the anime immediately.

The greatest moment for me, the thing that showed me that Keiichi loved Bell, in a real, serious, and true way, was when he'd been ensorcelled, so that he literally could not feel any "love" toward Bell, and literally could feel nothing but "love" toward Sayako, and he never stops worrying about Bell. He isn't "in love" with her, and is desperate to be near Sayako, but he's absolutely worried about doing the right thing, and he is concerned for Bell and her well-being, regardless of his personal emotions today. That is real daggum love. Yes, he went on a date with Sayako instead of Bell.

Yes, he encouraged Bell to go home when she wasn't "feeling well" instead of walking her there himself. But he and Bell weren't in a defined romantic relationship - it had been clarified a few times that "it wasn't like that" (despite campus rumors), and he had no official "romantic" relationship together.

And he still thought of her, and, even ensorcelled, questioned and pried trying to determine if he was doing the right thing to the point where he accidentally (though I'm uncertain it was entirely accidentally on his part) mentioned that he understood Sayako by relating a feature of Bell (i.e. "you love the wind" which Sayako doesn't really care about, but Bell does love). He couldn't abandon Bell, even if everything in him "felt" like doing so, because he wanted to do the right thing.

(So anyway, I'm a fan of their romance.)

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It's absolutely a magical girlfriend anime and not a harem one. Despite Urd's efforts.

And Keiichi, like Tenchi, is a good enough guy that it actually makes sense.

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