Depends how it's done. Sometimes Fanservice works other times it doesn't
Take Rosario + Vampire.
the anime version drowned the show in Fanservice, completely ruined it.
The Manga on the other hand had less fanservice and lots more action, plot, sinister conspiracies and over all much better story.
Manga/anime differences do play a major role. I love Ranma as an anime, the manga was surprisingly...dry for a comedy, and heavy on romance.
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I don't mind fanservice in anime at all, but what does kill me, is when girls have, like, quintuple triple G breasts in them. For example, Highschool of the Dead, I think, would be a lot better show if all of the girls weren't so incredibly stacked.
Ranma was one manga/show I could never get into, because of the grandfather (I dislike it when characters get away with sexual harrassment 'because reasons', such as stealing women's clothing without punishment), and because of the, sometimes, completely illogical placement of blame or plot.
For example, an event I could see happening in an anime, would be a boy gets picked up by a tornado, carried half way across the country, and then thrown through a window right into his love interests bathroom while she is bathing, and, somehow, this is all his fault even if she is fully aware that a tornado picked him up and threw him. So she slaps him (or beats him up), blames him for it, gets really pissy, and now he has to apologize for being a pervert. That and he clearly planned for the tornado to throw him into her bathroom.
Then, to build up on the above, it's entirely likely said girl would be so angry with the boy, that she would start dating his most hated enemy, and now we have to suffer through multiple chapters/episodes of him being heartbroken and trying to win the girl back, or at least away from the enemy, because of something happening that he had no choice or control over. Oh, and the girl is likely to be abused, physically and/or emotionally, and we see some introspection of her regretting her actions but now she's afraid to leave because the guy might really hurt her or the protagonist.
I don't mind fanservice in anime at all, but what does kill me, is when girls have, like, quintuple triple G breasts in them. For example, Highschool of the Dead, I think, would be a lot better show if all of the girls weren't so incredibly stacked.
If I'm going to get fanservice, this is the kind that I want.
And so we bid a fond farewell to Akame ga Kill...
I enjoyed it immensely. Sorry to see it come to close.
It was a good show, didn't foresee the death in the penultimate episode coming when it did but I was expecting it. Though I have to say
I don't mind fanservice in anime at all, but what does kill me, is when girls have, like, quintuple triple G breasts in them. For example, Highschool of the Dead, I think, would be a lot better show if all of the girls weren't so incredibly stacked.If I'm going to get fanservice, this is the kind that I want.
Are you comfortable telling young girls that they should be nothing more than eye candy for guys? And that that in any way is healthy for them as individuals?
Who said that was their only purpose or something like that? They don't just sit around doing nothing. Hell, some of them kill zombies (in Highschool of the Dead) as effectively as the dudes if not more so. Anime in general has many series where women kick ass just as much or more than the men, regardless of their general appearance. And really, you make it sound like there are no negative stereotyping of men at all.
Also, are you implying that women with big breasts (and/or wide hips) should be ashamed of their figure instead?
And so we bid a fond farewell to Akame ga Kill...
I enjoyed it immensely. Sorry to see it come to close.
I am still following the manga. The path the anime took didn't exactly appeal to me.
High School of the Dead is a good example of an anime that I have to actively ignore the mountain of objectification just to enjoy the fun story underneath. I love that the girls are bad ass and can hold their own... mostly. But that same fan service intended to sell tons of this to adolescent minded boys is sending the message to adolescent girls that in order to be attractive to boys you need big breasts and have to wear very little clothing. You have to appear vulnerable and needy to the boy is another thing they use... even in High School of the dead where the girls are kicking ass, you get moments were they break down emotionally and need big brave hero main character to save them. This plays into a bad mindset for both genders. look at the ten stupid things men and women do to mess up their lives; for men Stupid Chivalry and for women Stupid Helplessness. These don't lead to healthy relationships they lead to unhappy marriages.
In that regard, I agree. I kind of got bored with Highschool of the Dead pretty fast myself.
Better that young girls spend their time reading magazines marketed for them, where they can do tests that tell them if they are pretty enough, good enough friends, sexy enough, and if they are going to get married. Uh-huh.
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Good gosh no. Smart parents will limit their children exposure to bad influences... of ANY sort. And good people should call out harmful influences that others might be more wary of them.
...ok now I am starting to sound like my mother...
I just don't like the rampant idea of girls in anime having these huge breasts the sixe of watermelons as a if that were the norm. I mean, look at Fairy Tail, every girl in that show, with certain exceptions, has huge breasts, extremely tiny wastes, and long legs. The same thing exists in Rave Master.
Lots of Anime does this and it gets real old. When I see an anime with realistic body proportions (or mostly so), I find it a breathe of fresh air in the midst of all of the Kenichi, Fairy Tail, Highschool of the Dead etc. art styles.
I mean, the nurse from Highschool of the Dead had breasts so large they had their own unique sound effect, if I recall correctly. Dare I mention the 'sniper rifle scene'?
I don't mind fanservice, I just don't like the rampant inflation of breasts size in anime.
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Their eyes are even more distorted, size-wise. Just sayin'.
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...ok now I am starting to sound like my mother...
take up your weapon. I am unarmed. Strike me down with all your prudence, and your journey to the mother side will be complete!
there's always Pretty Cure.
having said that what about the flip side of the service?
Do you object to shows like Free due to the excessive amounts of hard bodied boys in swim trunks?
High School of the Dead is a series that lost me because it couldn't figure out what type of show it wanted to be, and a lot of that was the fanservice. It needed to tone down the ridiculousness, including the fanservice, to be a good zombie flick, but the serious parts felt too disjointed from the humor for it to fit solely as a comedy.
Meanwhile, Kill la Kill managed to merge the fanservice into a ridiculous but serious plot and combined the comedy. It worked smoothly together. It may not be your thing, but it was well done.
Are you comfortable telling young girls that they should be nothing more than eye candy for guys? And that that in any way is healthy for them as individuals?I don't mind fanservice in anime at all, but what does kill me, is when girls have, like, quintuple triple G breasts in them. For example, Highschool of the Dead, I think, would be a lot better show if all of the girls weren't so incredibly stacked.If I'm going to get fanservice, this is the kind that I want.
I don't know what you're talking about. Other people have mentioned fanservice long before I did.
Try again. (Or rather: Don't.)
Yeah, Highschool of the Dead was too middle of the road to be considered good. The anime made it worse with hyper-sonic boobs.
hyper..SONIC boobs?
My mind, it's fractured now.
A little fanservice is fine, and I really don't care all that much about average breast sizes (then again, I'm black and live in Texas. My idea of "average" is a little skewed).
What gets me is when a show drowns itself in fanservice. When you're too busy trying to ignore it (or stare at it) to actually enjoy the story.
I don't see why they seem to think we need that much. Yes, she has a cute ass. It was cute when you showed it to me thirty seconds ago. And the twelve times last episode (looking at you, Vividred Operation).
So, that last episode of Chaika: Avenging Battle. (Maybe not last last, but last TV ep.) Kind of felt like they just threw a bunch of plot points in to try and resolve the arc, without really taking the time to do so.
Not familiar with the series, but I feel like half way through a lot of shows they do that. I feel like anime has a way of going off the rails moreso than other shows I watch. I wouldn't be surprised if it has to do with trying to fit in the missing things from the manga.
True, if they had used those last two episodes, it wouldn't have been so rushed
A little fanservice is fine, and I really don't care all that much about average breast sizes (then again, I'm black and live in Texas. My idea of "average" is a little skewed).
What gets me is when a show drowns itself in fanservice. When you're too busy trying to ignore it (or stare at it) to actually enjoy the story.
I don't see why they seem to think we need that much. Yes, she has a cute ass. It was cute when you showed it to me thirty seconds ago. And the twelve times last episode (looking at you, Vividred Operation).
I know anime isn't movies... but they are similar, especially the animated ones. So I will just drop this here to get you guys thinking. Why because isn't this all about the stories we are teaching our kids?
TED video on hidden meanings in kids movies
Just something to think about when you watch fan service; what message is this sending to our sons and daughters? What are they learning from this and countless other media sources?
Still it gets me wondering about shows like Kill la Kill. It is a story about growing up and fitting in in a way and I liked the story even if I didn't like the fan service... in fact I had to be convinced by my boyfriend to watch because of that nasty in your face fan service had convinced me it would be horrible. Was the fan service necessary? Couldn't the story have stood on it's own? Ok... they painted clothing as the bad guy and good guy of the show. But aside from the weird nudists was any of the rest necessary? Could the outfits have been more modest without loosing the "power" of the clothes themselves? I think maybe they could have... just things to think about.
I doubt a show about sentient burlap sacks would have been half as interesting.
Not burlap sacks, how about regular school sailor uniforms instead of sailor thongs?
A little fanservice is fine, and I really don't care all that much about average breast sizes (then again, I'm black and live in Texas. My idea of "average" is a little skewed).
What gets me is when a show drowns itself in fanservice. When you're too busy trying to ignore it (or stare at it) to actually enjoy the story.
I don't see why they seem to think we need that much. Yes, she has a cute ass. It was cute when you showed it to me thirty seconds ago. And the twelve times last episode (looking at you, Vividred Operation).
I know anime isn't movies... but they are similar, especially the animated ones. So I will just drop this here to get you guys thinking. Why because isn't this all about the stories we are teaching our kids?
TED video on hidden meanings in kids movies
Just something to think about when you watch fan service; what message is this sending to our sons and daughters? What are they learning from this and countless other media sources?
Remember that not all anime is geared towards children. Actual Shonen and Shojo series' are typically light on the fanservice, and rarely go further than pretty girls in swimsuits. The worst offenders are usually aired late at night (the so-called "Otaku o' clock"), and is usually the result of excessive pandering to an adult male audience (usually referred to as "Seinen" series).
IOW, kids aren't supposed to be watching shows like Cross Ange or Kill la Kill any more than they should be seeing Game of Thrones.
Still it gets me wondering about shows like Kill la Kill. It is a story about growing up and fitting in in a way and I liked the story even if I didn't like the fan service... in fact I had to be convinced by my boyfriend to watch because of that nasty in your face fan service had convinced me it would be horrible. Was the fan service necessary? Couldn't the story have stood on it's own? Ok... they painted clothing as the bad guy and good guy of the show. But aside from the weird nudists was any of the rest necessary? Could the outfits have been more modest without loosing the "power" of the clothes themselves? I think maybe they could have... just things to think about.
Please don't ask me to defend Kill La Kill. As I said a few pages back, I refused to watch it because the heroine's outfit turned me off.
Finally got around to watching some of the box sets I've had for ages but never finished watching. Witch Hunter Robin, Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040, the most recent Appleseed series, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex Second Gig, and a few others were recently completed.
Just began a series I never even started when I first bought it, Le Chevalier D'Eon, which I'm enjoying a lot. Kind of reminds me of Gankutsuo.
The entire Arc with Yuuki was really well done with a good ending to it. Definitely looking forward to more if it's coming.SAO2 just got me right in the feels.
The entire show has had some ups and downs but have to second this. I wasn't sure what to think of it at first but might be my favourite arc now. Really well executed.
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So lately I've been watching a lot of anime on Netflix. I've taken to posting my thoughts on them on another forums after I've finished various series, and decided to cross-post them here as well:
Having just completed Yamada's First Time ("B Gata H Kei"), I found it to be a comedy that was much more enjoyable than the one I talked about a few posts back.
I just watched this a couple weeks ago and thought it was absolutely hilarious. I ended up picking it up in RightStuff's holiday sale so I can lend it out to some friends that I think will like it.
at the moment I am marathoning Gundam Build fighters Try, off the en.gundam.info web site.
I really enjoyed the first series and the new one is shapping up pretty nicely. Good music and well done battle sequences.
I recommend it for anyone who enjoys Gundam without the angst
Fan service in most cases hurts a good show... or at least is a turn off that you have to consciously ignore to enjoy the show. Sexist scenes shouldn't be celebrated they should be discouraged.
I...I can't believe it, but I find myself agreeing with you, Aranna. I just watched the first couple of episodes of Freezing, and it has promise...but oh, the fanservice! We'll see if its good features outweigh the adolescent ones.
I think the world will be a better place when female characters become a bit more mixed in appearance. Or, barring that, objectify men too: All male characters are either fabulously rich men with chiseled faces, bulging muscles, and personal entourages; or they're helpless loser background characters!
Like Tels, I also find watermelon-boobs off-putting. I like real-life ta-tas as much as the next straight guy or gay gal, but anime too often takes them to grotesque extremes. It's a lot like watching a South Park episode with Ms. Chokesondick; I usually do an eye-roll-chuckle the first time she appears on screen, but after that all I can think is "Sooo...nobody's gonna comment on this?"
Thank you Tequila Sunrise... though you don't have to sound so surprised that you agree with me.
I will avoid Freezing... although... doing a quick wiki search on it, it is probably not all that good an anime anyway; since my boyfriend has never asked me to watch this one.
Down for freezing.
Especially because there's no snow.
I was happy to discover that Hulu had Darker than Black 2. Unfortunately, they don't have the OVAs that set up the second season. I didn't enjoy it as much as DB1 (DB2 is only 12 episodes long, not counting the OVAs) but it was still pretty good.
Here's one I forgot to bring up:
Heroic Age is about a boy named Age (the title is one of those multilevel puns the Japanese love so much) who lives in a wrecked ship on a destroyed planet, his only companion a sand-squid he wrestles for food(a tentacle goes a long way, they grow back, and he feeds the (herbivorous!)squid in return).
One day, a ship arrives, one Age has been waiting for. The ship is commanded by the princess of the Iron Tribe(Humans), one of four races that answered the call of the godlike Golden Tribe. The Iron Tribe needs Age's help, for sealed within him is Bellcross, one of the last survivors of the Heroic Tribe. Bellcross is best described as a cross between Godzilla, Son Goku, and a mako shark with the temperament of the Incredible Hulk.
You see, the Silver Tribe(Space Elves) has risen to the dominant position vacated by the Ascended Golden Tribe, bent the Bronze Tribe(Space Bugs) to their will, and declared the Iron Tribe to be mortal enemies. As a Nodos, Age has the power to turn the tide and save Humanity.
There's just one problem. Age is only one of five Nodos', and the Silver Tribe controls the other four.
Down for freezing.
Especially because there's no snow.
I definitely recommend Freezing for you, Freehold! The most interesting thing about it is the reversal of the usual action-adventure gender roles: the women are the front-line warriors, while their male 'limiters' are the support *cough* casters *cough*. This reversal of gender roles even touches upon the show's non-combat events.
I ended up dropping it from my Netflix queue because the scifi-and-action-to-character-drama-and-fanservice ratio is too low for me, but it's not without its good points. Well-paced and action-packed, not too many flashbacks, and for fans of fanservice...!
Down for freezing.
Especially because there's no snow.
I definitely recommend Freezing for you, Freehold! The most interesting thing about it is the reversal of the usual action-adventure gender roles: the women are the front-line warriors, while their male 'limiters' are the support *cough* casters *cough*. This reversal of gender roles even touches upon the show's non-combat events.
I ended up dropping it from my Netflix queue because the scifi-and-action-to-character-drama-and-fanservice ratio is too low for me, but it's not without its good points. Well-paced and action-packed, not too many flashbacks, and for fans of fanservice...!
the bolded seems to have been lost during the lament of the existence of the cheesecake....pushing it up my list.