yellowdingo |
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Vegetarianism isn't a life choice its a tick disease
So all you Vegetarians will need to be rounded up and forcibly cured of your life choice (I mean tick disease)...
cranewings |
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I was vegetarian for about 4 or 5 years. I did eventually drop it, but the meat I eat now is pretty specific. I only each wild caught wish and "certified humane" meat, meaning the animals were able to engage in natural behavior and were fed correct food while they were alive. Ideally, it means the way they were transported and killed is better, but that's difficult right now.
Vegetarianism isn't really religious. It is a symptom of the sickness of our society, the perversity with which the animals are cared for, and the desire to find a better way. There are a lot of good reasons to become vegetarian or to reduce your meat. While I mostly care about animal welfare, there are other reasons.
Most types of animals require many times their weight in food over the course of their lives; each pound of meat represents 7, 10 even 20 times the amount of resources as the weight equivalent grain. Cutting down on the amount of meat you eat to conserve resources is one of the most profound single things you can do to help the environment. Its on the level of recycling your garbage or getting rid of your car.
Crimson Jester |
The tick disease makes a meat allergy it does not in fact make one dislike or not want Bacon. I know vegetarians and Vegans who do in fact like Bacon, they just choose not to eat it. It baffles my mind but many peoples choices, and excuses for said choices do as well. I should choose less meat for example yet I am going to have a big-assed cook out tomorrow instead. It is Summertime after all.
Lord Snow |
obviously the tick bite dosen't cause you to decide not to eat meat. Just makes it into a very poor descision.
I am not a vegen, since I never do something in an absoloute manner. I view the vegetarian life style as exaggerated. I do cut down heavily on the meat though, only eating it once or twice a week. I don't think the world cares all that much waether I eat twice a week or not at all - the difference is first and foremost symbolic. I don't believe in symbols.
KJL |
Most types of animals require many times their weight in food over the course of their lives; each pound of meat represents 7, 10 even 20 times the amount of resources as the weight equivalent grain. Cutting down on the amount of meat you eat to conserve resources is one of the most profound single things you can do to help the environment. Its on the level of recycling your garbage or getting rid of your car.
There are a couple of points here. Meat is a more energy-intense food than grain so you need to eat less of it. Also, grass will grow in places that grain will not (or at least, in which it cannot be mechanically sown and harvested) so, depending upon how the animals are raised (and I know some are fed substantial amounts of grain), eating meat is not necessarily denying grain to feed people (although it may be). That said, there are still many good reasons to moderate one's meat intake and vegetarianism is a perfectly practical and reasonable choice.
cranewings |
cranewings wrote:Most types of animals require many times their weight in food over the course of their lives; each pound of meat represents 7, 10 even 20 times the amount of resources as the weight equivalent grain. Cutting down on the amount of meat you eat to conserve resources is one of the most profound single things you can do to help the environment. Its on the level of recycling your garbage or getting rid of your car.There are a couple of points here. Meat is a more energy-intense food than grain so you need to eat less of it. Also, grass will grow in places that grain will not (or at least, in which it cannot be mechanically sown and harvested) so, depending upon how the animals are raised (and I know some are fed substantial amounts of grain), eating meat is not necessarily denying grain to feed people (although it may be). That said, there are still many good reasons to moderate one's meat intake and vegetarianism is a perfectly practical and reasonable choice.
Sure, this can go on, and it does some, but it isn't really the landscape of the situation. The BMI of the population goes up because people are getting fatter, even if 3% of individuals or so are gaining BMI from doing dead lifts. Improving the environment is still a key reason to cut down on meat. I imagine there would EVENTUALLY be diminishing returns where eating some meat would be better, but we are a long way off from it.
stringburka |
Huh, for vegetarians it's not bad news. It's only bad news for the meat eaters who get affected! xD
I was a vegetarian for 6 years or so, but since I lost the last shred of belief for "consumer power" bullshit I mostly dropped it. I still eat vegetarian at home since those I live with are vegetarians/vegans, and I never care for buying meat, but when I get some for free I usually eat it.
My health's dropped a bit since I began with meat again though, so I'm thinking of going vegan for a while to get back in shape.
stringburka |
cranewings wrote:Most types of animals require many times their weight in food over the course of their lives; each pound of meat represents 7, 10 even 20 times the amount of resources as the weight equivalent grain. Cutting down on the amount of meat you eat to conserve resources is one of the most profound single things you can do to help the environment. Its on the level of recycling your garbage or getting rid of your car.There are a couple of points here. Meat is a more energy-intense food than grain so you need to eat less of it. Also, grass will grow in places that grain will not (or at least, in which it cannot be mechanically sown and harvested) so, depending upon how the animals are raised (and I know some are fed substantial amounts of grain), eating meat is not necessarily denying grain to feed people (although it may be). That said, there are still many good reasons to moderate one's meat intake and vegetarianism is a perfectly practical and reasonable choice.
Most of the soy beans produced in the world goes towards animal feeding, and it takes 4 units of soy protein to produce 1 unit of meat protein. And soy is more protein intense than any common meat. Of course, soy isn't the only thing we should eat, but still, it's a lot of lost energy to use it to grow cows just to slaughter them.
A highly regarded expert |
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Most of the soy beans produced in the world goes towards animal feeding, and it takes 4 units of soy protein to produce 1 unit of meat protein. And soy is more protein intense than any common meat. Of course, soy isn't the only thing we should eat, but still, it's a lot of lost energy to use it to grow cows just to slaughter them.
We're only scratching the surface of the stupidity of modern agriculture here. The more you look the dumber it gets.
Critzible |
hey I love meat, I would never be able to go to a meat free diet. I also raise livestock for consumption, It is goat and thus a leaner meat, I do know alot of cattle people and pig people. I find veganism and true vegatarianism odd, as we are classified as omnivores and the only animal to gain nurishment form dairy after are infant/developing years.
Now as for the subject, i get into the woods all the time and this has never happened to me. If it did like all other stomach based diseases i seem to find my self not very affected by such things. So I don't think the plan to destroy us meat eating humans will work on all, though it will for most of those of weaker constitutions!!!
Oh and a reminder to all vegartarians if you did not already know this you can eat and use eggs because, with out a rooster all the eggs produced are unfertilized. Just a side note as I have had a lot of friends with this "affliction"(lol) not know this fact!
Ringtail |
I find veganism and true vegatarianism odd, as we are classified as omnivores and the only animal to gain nurishment form dairy after are infant/developing years.
The human body actually seems to be designed to be mostly or entirely herbivorous to my understanding, judging mostly from what I learned way back in high-school biology during a reasearch project, based on the level of acidity of our stomach acid and saliva and the shape and length of our intestines. We can ingest and gain some nourishment from meat, but that may not make us omnivores, just as my dog is a carnivore, and while vegetarian dog food is made that can nourish a dog without the need for meat that in no way makes her a omnivore. Both species are quite possibly just highly adaptable. I will admit that it has been a while since I looked into any recent research, though.
shadowmage75 |
meat tastes like murder, and murder tastes pretty f'n good! - Dennis Leary
Funny, back in my biology class, I was told that the human body can reproduce only 11 of the 20-some proteins it requires. The scarcity of those proteins in plant matter, from region to region, force us to require at least some meat diet.
Our digestive system is longer than a carnivore's, but shorter than most herbivores, and our teeth have developed both incisors, as well as molars, establishing us firmly in the omnivore status. to say otherwise would refute observable evidence. I'm sure a person with a scientific background could put it more effectively than I.
This thread smacks of an old argument I had with a woman who swore she was a vegan in one breath, and said she only ate fish.....and the argument escalated because she was dead set on denying that fish was meat.
What I'm saying is, Carnivore, Omnivore, Herbivore, it's your fantastic choice, and don't push it on others, otherwise you 'are' exactly like a religion.
Ringtail |
This thread smacks of an old argument I had with a woman who swore she was a vegan in one breath, and said she only ate fish.....and the argument escalated because she was dead set on denying that fish was meat.
I know a gal who is very similar, she often tells me that she is a vegetarian like me and that she only eats meat a few times a week. I have to constantly remind her that vegetarian doesn't mean what she appearantly thinks it does.
Gark the Goblin |
Critzible wrote:I find veganism and true vegatarianism odd, as we are classified as omnivores and the only animal to gain nurishment form dairy after are infant/developing years.The human body actually seems to be designed to be mostly or entirely herbivorous to my understanding, judging mostly from what I learned way back in high-school biology during a reasearch project, based on the level of acidity of our stomach acid and saliva and the shape and length of our intestines. We can ingest and gain some nourishment from meat, but that may not make us omnivores, just as my dog is a carnivore, and while vegetarian dog food is made that can nourish a dog without the need for meat that in no way makes her a omnivore. Both species are quite possibly just highly adaptable. I will admit that it has been a while since I looked into any recent research, though.
On the other hand, our physiology suggests that we hunted in packs by running things down and exhausting them.
Anyway, I'm a vegetarian, and I'm doing just fine! There are also people who survive on just meat.
Ringtail |
However, aren't we the only primate that eat meat on a regular basis? (I may be incorrect, I'm working on old, old data; I haven't researched the matter in a long time).
Anyway, I'm a vegetarian...
*Brofist*
...There are also people who survive on just meat.
Seems incredibly unhealthy, but possible with the right mix of organ meats and flesh for the neccessary vitamins and such. Definately the opposite diet of what I would recommend.
Gark the Goblin |
However, aren't we the only primate that eat meat on a regular basis? (I may be incorrect, I'm working on old, old data; I haven't researched the matter in a long time).
Well chimps are pretty crazy meat-eaters, and I think baboons as well. A lot of the lesser primates are omnivorous or insectivorous as well.
Bonobos too, mayhaps? Can't quite remember.
Whatever we are, we're geared towards adaptability.