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So I just saw the Avengers this weekend and I loved the Hulk.Of course I started thinking on what a Hulk would be in Pathfinder. You would think a Barbarian but I came up with something else.

Barbarian 1(Drinking Brute?)/Rage Chemist Alchemist 9/Master Chemist 10.

I dont have my material here but with the race that adds 1/4 per level to str when you use a Mutagen he had a wooping 64 Str when fully spelled up.20 Base Str + 6 Str Item + 6 inherent from Orc Bloodline + Giant Form from Orc Bloodline + Enlargement + Transformation + all the Mutagen goodies from Rage Chemist/Master Chemist. Now I know Transformation doesnt stack with the Belt but the NA bonus and Base attack does. He also had a Con in the 30's and around a +22 NA. The other option I had was a Synthesist Summoner, because they can get a rediculous STR score and have more HP then any other class in the game... but I thought this worked better for the HULK.

So can you come up with something better? How would you make your favorite Avenger/Comic Book Heroes.

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Dragonamedrake wrote:

So I just saw the Avengers this weekend and I loved the Hulk.

Of course I started thinking on what a Hulk would be in Pathfinder. You would think a Barbarian but I came up with something else.

Barbarian 1(Drinking Brute?)/Rage Chemist Alchemist 9/Master Chemist 10.

I dont have my material here but with the race that adds 1/4 per level to str when you use a Mutagen he had a wooping 64 Str when fully spelled up.

20 Base Str + 6 Str Item + 6 inherent from Orc Bloodline + Giant Form from Orc Bloodline + Enlargement + Transformation + all the Mutagen goodies from Rage Chemist/Master Chemist.

Now I know Transformation doesnt stack with the Belt but the NA bonus and Base attack does. He also had a Con in the 30's and around a +22 NA.

The other option I had was a Synthesist Summoner, because they can get a rediculous STR score and have more HP then any other class in the game... but I thought this worked better for the HULK.

So can you come up with something better? How would you make your favorite Avenger/Comic Book Heroes.

He's already got Throw Anything from the Alchemist levels, so I'd also add Improvised Weapon Mastery, Charging Hurler, Improved Charging Hurler, Impact Critical Shot, and Distance Thrower so that he can pick up a car and throw it at someone with few penalties. If you make him Half-orc, then you can also pick the feat Smash, which is not only thematic but also awesome for ripping a car in two and then throwing each half. :)


cartmanbeck wrote:
He's already got Throw Anything from the Alchemist levels, so I'd also add Improvised Weapon Mastery, Charging Hurler, Improved Charging Hurler, Impact Critical Shot, and Distance Thrower so that he can pick up a car and throw it at someone with few penalties. If you make him Half-orc, then you can also pick the feat Smash, which is not only thematic but also awesome for ripping a car in two and then throwing each half. :)

Yeah I noticed the Throw anything. And Master Chemist gives a Damage bonus for simple weapons that gets pretty nice. I was thinking a Club or something... are Improvised Weapons Simple? That would work out nicely if so.

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Maybe make it a unique template?

Use the mutagenic form of the Master Chymist, and add its Intelligence modifier to its Strength modifier, Wisdom modifier to its Dexterity modifier, Charisma modifier to its Constitution modifier.

Adjust its BAB to match its HD. Increase its size by 1 step, with a resulting +8 size bonus to Strength and Constitution, -2 size penalty to Dexterity. +10 ft. size bonus to Speed

Add in +10 Natural Armor, DR 20/adamantine and DR 10/-, Fast Healing 10.

Double Slice, Greater Sunder, Improved Natural Weapon, Improved Sunder, Intimidating Prowess, Power Attack, Toughness, Two-Weapon Fighting as bonus feats.

Add Strength modifier to Acrobatics checks made to jump.

EDIT:

Actually, I can see Bruce Banner as an alchemist.

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FallofCamelot wrote:
Puny thread

LOL!!!!!


Cool to see this thread-- I kept thinking during the movie what PF classes the different Avengers would be. Hawkeye would be an arcane archer, Captain America would be some cavalier type maybe. Loki's teleportation ability kind of makes me think the shadowdancer prestige class or ninja might suit him.

Of course, I don't have the rulebooks with me right now so I could be way off.


SmiloDan wrote:

Maybe make it a unique template?...

...Actually, I can see Bruce Banner as an alchemist.

I was playing around with the idea of making a archtype that gave full BAB and D10 HP and they lost the Bombs in return... or something to that effect. Would have to keep Throw anything though... He wouldnt throw bombs... it would be horses or trees.


The Rot Grub wrote:

Cool to see this thread-- I kept thinking during the movie what PF classes the different Avengers would be. Hawkeye would be an arcane archer, Captain America would be some cavalier type maybe. Loki's teleportation ability kind of makes me think the shadowdancer prestige class or ninja might suit him.

Of course, I don't have the rulebooks with me right now so I could be way off.

The hardest would be Iron Man. In 3.5 he would be a Warforge Artificer. In PF the only think I can think of is a Synthesist Summoner. After all he would be cacooned in it like a suit. And you could give him Magical Flight and such.

Maybe a Spellstrike Wizard (the Gun Archtype) 1/ Sythesist Summoner 19.

That way he can shoot rays from his hands (Guns). Have Flight, a ton of NA, Blindsight, SR. That should make a good Iron Man.


The Rot Grub wrote:

Cool to see this thread-- I kept thinking during the movie what PF classes the different Avengers would be. Hawkeye would be an arcane archer, Captain America would be some cavalier type maybe. Loki's teleportation ability kind of makes me think the shadowdancer prestige class or ninja might suit him.

Of course, I don't have the rulebooks with me right now so I could be way off.

Ironman a caster in Golem Armor named Jarvis.


Dragonamedrake wrote:

So I just saw the Avengers this weekend and I loved the Hulk.Of course I started thinking on what a Hulk would be in Pathfinder. You would think a Barbarian but I came up with something else.

Barbarian 1(Drinking Brute?)/Rage Chemist Alchemist 9/Master Chemist 10.

I dont have my material here but with the race that adds 1/4 per level to str when you use a Mutagen he had a wooping 64 Str when fully spelled up.20 Base Str + 6 Str Item + 6 inherent from Orc Bloodline + Giant Form from Orc Bloodline + Enlargement + Transformation + all the Mutagen goodies from Rage Chemist/Master Chemist. Now I know Transformation doesnt stack with the Belt but the NA bonus and Base attack does. He also had a Con in the 30's and around a +22 NA. The other option I had was a Synthesist Summoner, because they can get a rediculous STR score and have more HP then any other class in the game... but I thought this worked better for the HULK.

So can you come up with something better? How would you make your favorite Avenger/Comic Book Heroes.

For the Barbarian take a Wild Drunken Invulerable Rager.

you swap the following:

Fast Movement for Raging Drunk
Damage Reduction for Invulnerbility
Extreme Endurance for Trap Sense
Uncanny Dodge for Wild Fighting
Improved Uncanny Dodge for Rage Conversion
Uncontrolled Rage is detrimental version of Rage but really suit a Hulk Style character.

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Dragonamedrake wrote:
cartmanbeck wrote:
He's already got Throw Anything from the Alchemist levels, so I'd also add Improvised Weapon Mastery, Charging Hurler, Improved Charging Hurler, Impact Critical Shot, and Distance Thrower so that he can pick up a car and throw it at someone with few penalties. If you make him Half-orc, then you can also pick the feat Smash, which is not only thematic but also awesome for ripping a car in two and then throwing each half. :)
Yeah I noticed the Throw anything. And Master Chemist gives a Damage bonus for simple weapons that gets pretty nice. I was thinking a Club or something... are Improvised Weapons Simple? That would work out nicely if so.

Nope, you can't consider an improvised weapon to be a simple weapon, even though you compare them to equivalent simple weapons for damage dealt. :(


This is the greatest thread I've ever read! :)


I'm not sure if i would consider Hawkeye an Arcane Archer, i'd see more of him being a Ranger 20, but with an archetype that instead of favored enemy/terrain he gets new arrow types, ala alchemist. Not sure if that is an archetype yet for ranger, however i wouldn't be surprised.

And Ironman doesn't have to be a multiclass anything or even a construct. I see him personally as a Full plate cleric, with the ability to fly with good or better ability, and as for his hand blasts, Inflict wounds/Channel Negative Energy. He would have an immense intelligence though. He could even be a wizard with a home brew of Armored Caster and Battle Caster from 3.5 wearing Mithral Plate


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I see hawkeye as an archer fighter archetype with different magic arrows.


Dragonamedrake wrote:
The Rot Grub wrote:

Cool to see this thread-- I kept thinking during the movie what PF classes the different Avengers would be. Hawkeye would be an arcane archer, Captain America would be some cavalier type maybe. Loki's teleportation ability kind of makes me think the shadowdancer prestige class or ninja might suit him.

Of course, I don't have the rulebooks with me right now so I could be way off.

The hardest would be Iron Man. In 3.5 he would be a Warforge Artificer. In PF the only think I can think of is a Synthesist Summoner. After all he would be cacooned in it like a suit. And you could give him Magical Flight and such.

Maybe a Spellstrike Wizard (the Gun Archtype) 1/ Sythesist Summoner 19.

That way he can shoot rays from his hands (Guns). Have Flight, a ton of NA, Blindsight, SR. That should make a good Iron Man.

Ironman would be an Alchemist. It gives the intelligence, and the firepower. Skin it to be an engineer rather than a chemical expert.

And with Heavy Armor Proficiency you have the armor. Their "Spell casting" isn't affected by armor.


I still say Iron Man is a Synthesis Summoner.

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A synthesist summons the essence of a powerful outsider to meld with his own being. The synthesist wears the eidolon like translucent, living armor. The eidolon mimics all of the synthesist’s movements, and the synthesist perceives through the eidolon’s senses and speaks through its voice, as the two are now one creature.

Biped

Improved Natural Armor (Ex), Magic Attacks (Su), Slam (Ex), Energy Attacks (Su), Flight (Su), Immunity (Su), Weapon Training (Ex), Blindsense (Ex), Damage Reduction (Su), See in Darkness (Su), Blindsight (Ex), Lifesense (Su), No Breath (Ex)...

Looks like Iron Man to me lol. Well at least close.


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I've been trying to figure out how to build The Avengers all weekend, knew I couldn't be the only one thinking it :)

For Cap, I was thinking straight levels in fighter, with a throwing shield, brass knuckles, and a pistol. Iron Man would be a wizard, in construct armor, with leadership and the armor as a cohort (give it the robot template from Dungeons of Golarion and it can take class levels). For Hulk, I think 20 levels in rage chemist works just fine, but Master chemist and the Barbarian dip work really well. For Hawkeye I was thinking the Archer Fighter archetype, and Black Widow would be Rogue into Master Spy.

Thor is the only one I'm really having problems with. Either Paladin into Divine Scion, to keep everything official Paizo, or just straight Mighty Godling.

I'm debating writing them all up and running a one shot adventure at 20th level.

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i couold see iron man as either summoner (synthesist) or alchemist in a construct armor.

maybe even gunslinger (guntank) 1/ alchemist 19

cap could be a fighter (tactician), or cavalier (Musketeer)

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Could Ironman be a magus? Maybe a paladin archetype with divine bond for his armor....and CG? Maybe with Intelligent Celestial Armor?

I think Thor is a fighter with several artifacts: Belt, Gloves, and Hammer.


I see Hawkeye as a Zen Archer Monk, with levels of Empyreal Sorcerer multiclassed into Arcane Archer.


Cap is, duh, a shield specialist fighter.

EDIT : With throw anything, weapon focus (shield), and a returning shield. :)


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I'm not sure if i would consider Hawkeye an Arcane Archer, i'd see more of him being a Ranger 20, but with an archetype that instead of favored enemy/terrain he gets new arrow types, ala alchemist. Not sure if that is an archetype yet for ranger, however i wouldn't be surprised.

The trapsmith ranger can attach his traps to arrows for launching at people.


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mdt wrote:

Cap is, duh, a shield specialist fighter.

EDIT : With throw anything, weapon focus (shield), and a returning shield. :)

My only problem with the shield specialist is that it nixes bravery, which I see Cap having. He's not likely to run from much.


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I would stress that Captain America is a Paladin whose divine bond is with his shield. He has auras similar to a Paladin that effects his allies.

Black Widow is probably a rogue/assassin.


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Arcanemuses wrote:

I would stress that Captain America is a Paladin whose divine bond is with his shield. He has auras similar to a Paladin that effects his allies.

Black Widow is probably a rogue/assassin.

I like the divine bond idea...is it possible to be a Paladin for a concept rather than a god?

I was figuring master spy for black widow because of the evil requirement for assassin. Maybe split the difference and go ninja instead?


Cap's god would obviously be Liberty or Columbia, and as for Black Widow, she originally was evil, before a heel face turn, same with hawkeye.

not sure how to translate Liberty into a PF god, but the concept of Columbia or Liberty as a divine being isn't hard to grasp.


devil.in.mexico13 wrote:

I've been trying to figure out how to build The Avengers all weekend, knew I couldn't be the only one thinking it :)

For Cap, I was thinking straight levels in fighter, with a throwing shield, brass knuckles, and a pistol. Iron Man would be a wizard, in construct armor, with leadership and the armor as a cohort (give it the robot template from Dungeons of Golarion and it can take class levels). For Hulk, I think 20 levels in rage chemist works just fine, but Master chemist and the Barbarian dip work really well. For Hawkeye I was thinking the Archer Fighter archetype, and Black Widow would be Rogue into Master Spy.

Thor is the only one I'm really having problems with. Either Paladin into Divine Scion, to keep everything official Paizo, or just straight Mighty Godling.

I'm debating writing them all up and running a one shot adventure at 20th level.

I like your Idea of Thor being a Paladin. At least at the end of the first Thor movie he was a Paladin. Kind of a childish Barbarian at the beginning of his movie lol.

Im sticking with Synthesist for Iron Man

Hawkeye I could see either a 20 Ranger or a 20 Archer Fighter

Cap is a figher with the returning shield and shield spec imo. Super Soldier after all.

Black Widow... Ninja?

Hulk... well I still like the Barb 1/Rage Chemist/Master Chemist


Cap could be a fighter OR a paladin. Either way he is Lawful Good. Stark is CG. Hawkeye and Black Widow are Neutral-ish. Banner/Hulk is CG/CN. Thor, I would say, being a Prince and a God, aspires to paladinhood, but always falls short. He's a fighter with a few levels of barbarian, NG or CG. However, he may also be a paladin that always needs an atonement spell from Odin lol.


devil.in.mexico13 wrote:
mdt wrote:

Cap is, duh, a shield specialist fighter.

EDIT : With throw anything, weapon focus (shield), and a returning shield. :)

My only problem with the shield specialist is that it nixes bravery, which I see Cap having. He's not likely to run from much.

No it doesn't... Unless your talking about the tower shield specialist, which isn't even a really good way of representing cap as opposed to a shield fighter.

Anyway, is the point of making the character is to make them exactly as they are or to just to mimic their abilities even if it isn't the same way as they do it? I'm assuming the latter because suggestions like iron man to be a magus or synthesist couldn't have less to do with the guy, lol.


The concern with Ironman as a Synthesist as a lack of any missile weapons. I see Ironman as a flying tank shoting things with energy weapons. The Synthesist lacks missile spells, proficiency in missile weapons, and has a poor dexterity so shooting with a bow is sub-optimal.

I like thor as a Wind Oracle. Maybe a cleric with weather domain.


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Sauce987654321 wrote:
devil.in.mexico13 wrote:
mdt wrote:

Cap is, duh, a shield specialist fighter.

EDIT : With throw anything, weapon focus (shield), and a returning shield. :)

My only problem with the shield specialist is that it nixes bravery, which I see Cap having. He's not likely to run from much.

No it doesn't... Unless your talking about the tower shield specialist, which isn't even a really good way of representing cap as opposed to a shield fighter.

Anyway, is the point of making the character is to make them exactly as they are or to just to mimic their abilities even if it isn't the same way as they do it? I'm assuming the latter because suggestions like iron man to be a magus or synthesist couldn't have less to do with the guy, lol.

You are correct, it was Tactician that I decided against because of bravery, I didn't like shield specialist because it gets rid of weapon and armor training.

I agree about iron man. I was thinking wizard with construct armor just to emulate the armor itself, not Tony. Magus makes a little more sense with construct armor, but I don't like synthesis for him.

I'm more for mimic their abilities but flavoring them as Golarions greatest heroes.

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Black Widow is definitely ninja...she's a spy/super UA hero. That's the combo. Note she beats Hawkeye in hand to hand combat, and not with sneak attacks.

Cap would be a paladin/fighter. He's the most LG guy in the Marvel Universe. He's more famous on other worlds then THOR is...so his Charisma is through the roof. He's also got the Super-Soldier template, and a natural 23 starting in all stats as a result. He's also the best UA guy in Marveldom, and nobody is better with a shield. Keep in mind that Captain America is a physical genius, not a technical genius, but he is far, far from stupid. He just has a soldier's mindset instead of a detective or scientist.

Hawkeye is a fighter/ranger, bow tree, WM/Bow. FE Humans, Aliens.
Bruce Banner is definitely the scientist type, Hulk is definitely an alter ego. You can do alternate form, but really, you need to get to Str 75 to replicate being able to bench 100 tons, so you're gonna have to apply the Gamma Ray Powered Brute template, you just know it.

The synthesist/summoner route is actually a very good way to interpret Tony Stark without an artificer around, you just have to reskin it to gear instead of a living creature...and give him a lot more skill points. Int 23, the highest naturally humanly possible, sans aging (Stark is the smartest non-superhuman human on Earth). Actually, you could easily make Stark just an Expert if you can explain his gear somehow...Stark's got skill points in everything.

Thor, well, you've got to apply that Asgardian Demigod template, and then he's a barbarian/fighter. With a minimum 75 Str score. Wielding an artifact level hammer.

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Aelryinth wrote:


Str 75 to replicate being able to bench 100 tons

Um, how? That total comes out to be 819,200 pounds...over your head.


Now another way to play with strength: Let's say we have a 20th level barbarian. I'm going to assume that the strength is going to be at 37 from enhancements, inheret, whatever. With rage, now the score is up to 45. If you want to assume that strength surge helps with carrying, which it logically should since you need to make a strength check to move things like a porticullis or rocks (if your buried.) Now that adds plus 20 making it 65. Since the game doesn't offer rules for benching exactly, I'll just guess that it's equivalent to pushing at unfavorable conditions (2.5 times the amount.) Now I'm going to make him large, which is x2 on carrying. That's 1,024,000 pounds for bench pressing. Now what about I'm about to do isn't really hulk related, but now I'm going to make him a 20 barbarian/cleric gestalt. With Might of the Gods from the strength Domain, that's +14 enhancement to strength for strength related things (+14 because we have the +6 already from enhancement.) Let him cast Ant haul as that's x3 carrying now. Strength is now at 79 (still 45 for normal means). Since he's large(x2) plus ant haul (x3) and assuming benching is pushing at unfavorable conditions (2.5x), this comes out to be 21,504,000 pounds benching. Not bad for a pathfinder character.


IS Tony Stark the smartest non-superhuman on Earth? Doctor Doom is certainly one of the lead finalists in that competition.


For the spirit of Ironman you simply need a heavily armored character with high dex and high intel. To get the effects you need a little divination, the ability to fly, and some way to spam scorching ray.

*Edit: Also alcoholic.


Aelryinth wrote:


Cap would be a paladin/fighter. He's the most LG guy in the Marvel Universe. He's more famous on other worlds then THOR is...so his Charisma is through the roof. He's also got the Super-Soldier template, and a natural 23 starting in all stats as a result. He's also the best UA guy in Marveldom, and nobody is better with a shield. Keep in mind that Captain America is a physical genius, not a technical genius, but he is far, far from stupid. He just has a soldier's mindset instead of a detective or scientist.
==Aelryinth

Where does the Super Soldier template come from?


Sauce987654321 wrote:
Now another way to play with strength: Let's say we have a 20th level barbarian. I'm going to assume that the strength is going to be at 37 from enhancements, inheret, whatever. With rage, now the score is up to 45. If you want to assume that strength surge helps with carrying, which it logically should since you need to make a strength check to move things like a porticullis or rocks (if your buried.) Now that adds plus 20 making it 65. Since the game doesn't offer rules for benching exactly, I'll just guess that it's equivalent to pushing at unfavorable conditions (2.5 times the amount.) Now I'm going to make him large, which is x2 on carrying. That's 1,024,000 pounds for bench pressing. Now what about I'm about to do isn't really hulk related, but now I'm going to make him a 20 barbarian/cleric gestalt. With Might of the Gods from the strength Domain, that's +14 enhancement to strength for strength related things (+14 because we have the +6 already from enhancement.) Let him cast Ant haul as that's x3 carrying now. Strength is now at 79 (still 45 for normal means). Since he's large(x2) plus ant haul (x3) and assuming benching is pushing at unfavorable conditions (2.5x), this comes out to be 21,504,000 pounds benching. Not bad for a pathfinder character.

Well since I couldn't edit this. I was thinking more in the range of 1.5 to maybe 2 times benching. I only say that is because you're max overhead lift you can still run around with and retain a moderate amount of dexterity.

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Can't the Ironman analogue use ranks in Use Magic Device to activate various wands built into his gauntlets.

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thinking about it, there are ways to possibly build Iron Man as a Magus...

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FallofCamelot wrote:
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I think I just heard the thread wheeze in pain


Mirrel the Marvelous wrote:
IS Tony Stark the smartest non-superhuman on Earth? Doctor Doom is certainly one of the lead finalists in that competition.

No, Reed Richards is smartest.

I think Dr. Doom probably beats Stark.


I'm curious... how would you emulate Thor's ability to retrieve his hammer from anywhere?

*this is such a fun thread*

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I see Iron Man as a gun tank gunslinger with a dragon pistol and winged boots.

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The Rot Grub wrote:

I'm curious... how would you emulate Thor's ability to retrieve his hammer from anywhere?

*this is such a fun thread*

Black blade magus?

Intelligent returning weapon?

if nothing else its an epic weapon ability


Ughbash wrote:
Mirrel the Marvelous wrote:
IS Tony Stark the smartest non-superhuman on Earth? Doctor Doom is certainly one of the lead finalists in that competition.

No, Reed Richards is smartest.

I think Dr. Doom probably beats Stark.

Reed Richards is still Superhuman. Doom despite learning various magic/psychic techniques is still human (and possibly smarter than Richards, as has been suggested at various times), if you discount the film adaptation and focus on the graphic novels.


Mirrel the Marvelous wrote:
Ughbash wrote:
Mirrel the Marvelous wrote:
IS Tony Stark the smartest non-superhuman on Earth? Doctor Doom is certainly one of the lead finalists in that competition.

No, Reed Richards is smartest.

I think Dr. Doom probably beats Stark.

Reed Richards is still Superhuman. Doom despite learning various magic/psychic techniques is still human (and possibly smarter than Richards, as has been suggested at various times), if you discount the film adaptation and focus on the graphic novels.

All I know is that when it really hits the fan, and everyone in the universe dies, Dr. Doom is the last man standing.

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Tony Stark is the smartest pure human, that's Marvel Dictat. Doom, however, has exposure to magic, which Tony does not...and Reed Richards either, of course, making Doom more versatile then either of them in an absolute sense. Note the Black Panther is superhuman from his heart-shaped herb, and supposedly smarter then Tony. Certainly he has outmanuvered Tony mentally many times...and made his first suit of hard light armor when he was 6.

As noted before, Reed Richards is superhuman...the line now is his brain can stretch to master any concept or idea. He might be the smartest potential being IN the whole Marvel Universe.

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There is no published Super Soldier template...but that's what Cap has. There's no Asgardian or Kryptonian template either, but the respective heroes have them. Just like having the Marvel 'mutant' template means you don't suffer from air sickness or something.

Since the Super Soldier sets you to human perfection, I'd say it sets all base ability scores to 23, adds in the Energy level of a Ring of Sustenance, the ability to ignore all Endurance checks, a bonus to speed, and of course a huge initiative bonus since your reflexes are ten times faster then human, and you can watch bullets...

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The ability to military press 100 tons is a weight limit of 200,000 lbs.
For every 10 pts above the 20-29 range, you increase the weight limit by a factor of 4.

200k, 50k, 12500, 3125, 781.25 (25 Str).

100 tons is Str 65, my apologies.

Typo or honest mistake, your call. But it's 128 times higher then the 25 Str limit of -800 lbs. Note that I'm using 100 tons as a ballpark for the initial weight classes of the Marvel U...they've surely thrown out such things for the really strong guys now, although you can probably still rate Spider Man in the 15-20 ton category (which puts him at a Strength of 53-54). The doubling of Str every 5 points means that once you get past 10 tons, Str Scores aren't that far apart.

Original She Hulk was 75 tons, which is Str 63ish. Now she's Str 100 tons, which is 65. In human terms, we wouldn't really be able to perceive much difference in someone that strong...world of tissue paper or wet tissue paper, not much difference. She picked up +1 TH/DMG, and can tote around an extra rail car.

===Aelryinth


I find that Captain America is probably by far the easiest character to make just strictly using pathfinder rules. I don't think there's too much reason to use anything to represent him that isn't a shielded fighter archetype.

I think the best way to make characters that are medium size but have crazy strength is to give them something similar to powerful build. Something that increases their carrying limit, natural weapon damage, and the ability to use maneuvers on bigger creatures as if they were something like 2 size categories larger.

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