"See, now there is goblin with motivation. Say you don't want a job do ya?"
"See, now there is goblin with motivation. Say you don't want a job do ya?"
My mindless charred husk shall hunt you through all the realms of the abyss for that, demon! And immolate all those who bend knee to your depravations of writing! I... I...
"Oh goody!" Claps hands with anticipation "I always wanted a vengeful goblin soul of my very own to mold and shape into a terrifying minion!"
Dances around naked with joy
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I like the idea of this product. A lot of Paizo customers have been asking for a book like this and even though Paizo isn't big on monster races they have listened. That response really impresses me.
I felt the same way when they decided to do the magus even though they at first stated that the bard covered that angle.
so when will the hobgoblins of golarion be out???
They mentioned at GenCon that Hobgoblins and Bugbears would get a (possibly very small) section in this book. Who knows if that will still be the case, but it seems to be as good a fit as any.
Cool... I actually like monsters as PCs (having played a hound archon and a Gnoll fighter/favoured soul and currently playing a tengu shadow assassin ;)). And this is where I come to the point: PLEASE make a "Tengus of Golarion"-Volume, since they make great and flavourful player characters, but need some fleshing out culturally... they are a more viable player option since they seem to live among humans anyway and might not suffer so much from the "Ahhh a monster.... kill it!"-reaction. ;)
(Also there should be something on tieflings and aasimar. I remember the article on tieflings in the CoT-AP. Just make the flaws/boons sytem a point buy system an this would be great.)
Of course there lots of other monster races that would make good PCs e.g. lizardmen...
My mindless charred husk shall hunt you through all the realms of the abyss for that, demon! And immolate all those who bend knee to your depravations of writing! I... I...
This may be getting off-topic, but imagine some commoner (non-adventurer) humans whispering to each other stories of evil wizards, doing foul things to make phylacteries to remove parts of their souls and become liches. I always imagined Golarion's goblins whispering to each other similar stories of goblin shamans (or whatever) doing similar things with writing. They would remove words from their head, and when they die, the writing would live on, and...
As a Player Companion subscriber I love this line, but the whole "goblins as characters" leaves me a little cold - smacks of a gimmick one-off game that perhaps would have been better served as a free RPGDay pdf?
Burnt Offerings gave us a ton of "goblin colour" as did the excellent Classic Monsters... now granted we're a few years down the line now... but a whole book devoted to them? Not convinced...
Trying not to be a nay sayer here but there's my 2 runes worth
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As a Player Companion subscriber I love this line, but the whole "goblins as characters" leaves me a little cold - smacks of a gimmick one-off game that perhaps would have been better served as a free RPGDay pdf?
Burnt Offerings gave us a ton of "goblin colour" as did the excellent Classic Monsters... now granted we're a few years down the line now... but a whole book devoted to them? Not convinced...
Trying not to be a nay sayer here but there's my 2 runes worth
I used to think the same, but then I saw that Mr. Pett is the author.
This means this is gonna be funny, creepy and not exactly taking itself seriously.
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PLEASE make a "Tengus of Golarion"-Volume, since they make great and flavourful player characters, but need some fleshing out culturally... they are a more viable player option since they seem to live among humans anyway and might not suffer so much from the "Ahhh a monster.... kill it!"-reaction. ;)
I'm a big Tengu fan, as my avatar indicates. I know James Jacobs think they "look too weird" to be PC races (at least in Pathfinder Society Games, even though their linguistics abilities and sword skills would make them among the best agents the PFS could have) but at least they're not creepy little baby stealing monsters. So here's a hearty +1 to your request.
Also, Kobold Quarterly recently did an ecology article on them in KQ #14, and a 4 part follow-up web article(found 3 of 4 so far) , so that may help flesh them out a bit for you in the meanwhile.
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PLEASE make a "Tengus of Golarion"-Volume, since they make great and flavourful player characters, but need some fleshing out culturally... they are a more viable player option since they seem to live among humans anyway and might not suffer so much from the "Ahhh a monster.... kill it!"-reaction. ;)
I'm a big Tengu fan, as my avatar indicates. I know James Jacobs think they "look too weird" to be PC races (at least in Pathfinder Society Games, even though their linguistics abilities and sword skills would make them among the best agents the PFS could have) but at least they're not creepy little baby stealing monsters. So here's a hearty +1 to your request.
Also, Kobold Quarterly recently did an ecology article on them in KQ #14, and a 4 part follow-up web article(found 3 of 4 so far) , so that may help flesh them out a bit for you in the meanwhile.
Actually, of the "looks too weird" races, Tengus are at the top of the list of "ones that are cool enough to fit in." Furthermore... they already have a place in the Inner Sea region—pirates of the Shackles use them as mascots, thinking that they "soak up" the bad luck. Also, many cities have tengus living in them as well. This, and the fact that there's not an in-world history of tengus waging war or killing humans (such as you get with goblinoids, gnolls, and most other savage humanoid races) actually makes them great PCs.
If the PFS guys came to me and said "Pick one race to add to the allowed core races," I'd pick tengus.
So I don't like or own any of the races of golarion books, but i might buy this one. Pathfinder goblins are my favorite.
I've always been a goblin fan since Tolkien, Who else are my dwarf fighters supposed to smash?
I just want to say, Why such good art on goblins and such ho-hum art on hobgoblins? I wish the same artist did them both, since they are such related creatures.
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I'm all for this, as long as there is at least some place where its fairly clear that goblins are best suited for evil campaigns, and that the general assumption in Golarion is that goblins are almost always evil, and almost never good.
Plus, I really don't want to see goblins legal for PFS. For all of the discussion about gunslingers breaking suspension of disbelief, I'm really not wanting to sit at a table with five non-evil goblins working for a scholarly institution. My brain might melt.
Hmmm, makes me wonder what you'd do if you sat down to play PFS with five Goblin Gunslinger/Ninjas!!!
"Wataaaah!!! See flying chicken foot maneuver!!! Now see my reverse pisol blast maneuver!!!" ***Goblin proceeds to blow his own head off***
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Actually, of the "looks too weird" races, Tengus are at the top of the list of "ones that are cool enough to fit in." Furthermore... they already have a place in the Inner Sea region—pirates of the Shackles use them as mascots, thinking that they "soak up" the bad luck. Also, many cities have tengus living in them as well. This, and the fact that there's not an in-world history of tengus waging war or killing humans (such as you get with goblinoids, gnolls, and most other savage humanoid races) actually makes them great PCs.
If the PFS guys came to me and said "Pick one race to add to the allowed core races," I'd pick tengus.
I'd like to see tengus added to the list of core races as well. A Tengus of Golarion book would be great.
I've seen them riding axebeaks also. More dangerous then you'd think.
Well I reckon this kills my subsciption for this line. Use to be I could learn something useful about Golarion from the companions, though 32 pages was never enough. This just seems like use splat to me.
Have to admit that unless Faiths of Purity is chock full of new material my sub wont make it past April in any case.
As a Player Companion subscriber I love this line, but the whole "goblins as characters" leaves me a little cold - smacks of a gimmick one-off game that perhaps would have been better served as a free RPGDay pdf?
Burnt Offerings gave us a ton of "goblin colour" as did the excellent Classic Monsters... now granted we're a few years down the line now... but a whole book devoted to them? Not convinced...
Trying not to be a nay sayer here but there's my 2 runes worth
I used to think the same, but then I saw that Mr. Pett is the author.
This means this is gonna be funny, creepy and not exactly taking itself seriously.
Agreed 100% and part of me is looking forward to being proved wrong by Mr Pett... but I'd honestly be concerned if the Players Companion line starts becoming a "latest monster PC book". I'd much prefer a "Monster Cultures" series that deals with this a la the "Revisited" books...
Feel pretty crap being a naysayer when all around me is endorsing this whole heartedly - maybe its the constant grey skies and freezing rain that makes Dow a dour Scot :)
But there are no half-goblins.Huh, I always thought a drunken encounter between a human and a goblin explained the existence of halflings perfectly...
Wait, I thought that was where gnomes came from?
More seriously, I do hope this book goes into some detail about hobgoblins and bugbears as well. Especially bugbears -- ever since 'Classic Monsters Revisited' I've been hoping we'd get to see some properly-done monster-under-the-bed serial killer bugbears in an adventure.
runs through thread with a burning torch and a block of cheese
impales Attack Goblin #23 on his longspear and readies an action to strike Attack Goblin #24 once he is within reach
Tengus aren't something I'd allow in my campaigns, I just picture the bad guys from Samurai Pizza Cats any time someone mentions them. But then again, I prefer not to allow monks in my games. They tend not to feel "Fantasy" enough.
But goblins? Yes, love the Goblins. Goblins as PCs? Allowable, but not without discussion prior.
I love goblins, but I'd be much more inclined to have tengu PCs than goblin PCs in a regular Golarion game. So, bring on the tengu companion!
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Man, you guys must all have groups made up of gaming angels, because I'll need MY players to prove that they should be ALLOWED to play anything except Goblins, based on past performance.
But goblins? Yes, love the Goblins. Goblins as PCs? Allowable, but not without discussion prior.
Same here.
Only replace "goblin" with "jackal."
Being a fan of browsing the PBP boards here, I have seen a fair amount of goblin characters suggested. In fact, I've probably seen more goblins offered than dwarves, half-orcs, and halflings combined. There does seem to be a call for this peculiar race.
Again though wouldn't a "Monster Cultures" book with some PC options be a better bet?
I've always perceived goblins, tengus or whatever as the bogeymen of the game world - not the heroes...
There obviously is a real demand for more of this type of materials, and I can see why it would then sit in the Players Companion line - but its not something that I'd want to see or subscribe to...
Want to play something weird or twisted - gnome sorcerer with the Aberrant Bloodline - surely its in the play rather than the crunch? So the desire to play a redeemed goblin or ogre escapes me [as its very played out]
A quirky set of rules for all monster campaigns - which are the novelty exception rather than our established norm - I get.
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So the desire to play a redeemed goblin or ogre escapes me [as its very played out]
Is it really, 'though? I'm familiar with a certain redeemed Drow, and there's the whole 'nice vampire boyfriend that doesn't kill people anymore' thing that's been going on for decades, but I don't recall a crapload of (or, any, actually) redeemed goblins or ogres in cinema, comics, game fiction, etc.
Hoggle and Ludo, if you squint right, from Labyrinth, might count as 'nice' goblins and / or ogres, kinda sorta, but the notion hardy seems 'played out' to me.
Maybe it's more common in anime? I don't read/watch much of that, so the genre could be crawling with goblin and / or ogre (bakemono and / or oni) protagonists, for all I know...
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^^^ Hellboy springs to mind as well.
As well as Tolkien's talk outside the books themselves.
So the desire to play a redeemed goblin or ogre escapes me [as its very played out]
Alternately, many feel the idea of Always Chaotic Evil mortal races is very played out. Not everyone likes that concept, or is even comfortable with it.
Personally, I've always detested it. Along with what Set said upthread, I don't enjoy being in a game where good characters can seriously consider genocide as a decent option.
Besides, isn't Golarion supposed to be the setting where we can have any sort of game we want? So what's the point in solidly shutting out those that want to play a good goblin, orc, drow, or whatever? Does enforcing Always Chaotic Evil races really enable more stories than it stops?
Also can't help but note that the accusations of badwrongfun seem to flow primarily in one direction. It's always the "redeemed evil race" crowd that's having fun wrong, but those that want to play the game with always chaotic evil races never get much grief. The former also rarely get official support for their games, while the latter has largely been catered to over the history of the game.
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Too much redeeming makes the antagonists seem less, well, antagonistic.
"Look, orc caravan! Let's tear them a new one!"
"Wait, no! I know an orc tribe that lives peacefully along with humans. They pick flowers and water the fields."
*strange looks from other party members*
"All right, maybe they are not Evil, and I would hate to grab some bad rep with Iomedae. Let's talk to them first!"
A hail of arrows later.
"Well...I...guess...they...were...Chatoic Neutral at best..."*expires*"
In other words: sometimes, when I want to engage in a bit of good old carefully applied hyperviolence leading to genocide of humanoid tribes complete with infanticide and looting, I wish not to worry about the moral repercussions. Too much.
Also, mixing in "not-evil" Evil races dillutes a concept that is actually cool, namely the "looks evil but isn't quite so" (say, Mongrelmen or Svirfneblin to a degree).
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Just speaking for myself:
I'd rather have my antagonists antagonism rooted in their actions and goals, perhaps even culture, rather than race first and foremost.
I don't really see "They're X? Let's kill 'em all!" as a precious game feature.
Having non-evil orcs hasn't made kill-crazy Belkzen orc hordes disappear in my Golarion for example. I just means that a good character's reason for killing on has to be something more meaningful than "he was an orc".
And genocide, complete with infanticide, getting pushed as "okay" is exactly what kills the fun for many. If that's how one wants to play their game, fine. But many of us would like options beyond that. If a good PC wants to try and raise goblin children that survived the deaths of their tribe, he should not have it blow up in his face every time by default.
That's one thing I didn't like about Orcs of Golarion. It really piled on the rationalizations for orcs always being evil to the point that it seemed to be more actively trying to discourage anyone doing good or neutral orcs than anything else. It just made me sad that the orc book shut down possibilities for them rather than opening them up.
So the desire to play a redeemed goblin or ogre escapes me [as its very played out]Is it really, 'though? I'm familiar with a certain redeemed Drow, and there's the whole 'nice vampire boyfriend that doesn't kill people anymore' thing that's been going on for decades, but I don't recall a crapload of (or, any, actually) redeemed goblins or ogres in cinema, comics, game fiction, etc.
Hoggle and Ludo, if you squint right, from Labyrinth, might count as 'nice' goblins and / or ogres, kinda sorta, but the notion hardy seems 'played out' to me.
Maybe it's more common in anime? I don't read/watch much of that, so the genre could be crawling with goblin and / or ogre (bakemono and / or oni) protagonists, for all I know...
^^^ Hellboy springs to mind as well.
Ooh! Ooh! My turn!
Jim Hines' Goblin trilogy!
(I never even heard of it until Wicht mentioned it in this thread.)
Not sure if I'd ever use this but it look soooo cool. I'll make my decision after the "We be Goblins" adventure...
Paizo is stealing words from our heads!
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Just speaking for myself:
I'd rather have my antagonists antagonism rooted in their actions and goals, perhaps even culture, rather than race first and foremost.
I don't really see "They're X? Let's kill 'em all!" as a precious game feature.
Having non-evil orcs hasn't made kill-crazy Belkzen orc hordes disappear in my Golarion for example. I just means that a good character's reason for killing on has to be something more meaningful than "he was an orc".
And genocide, complete with infanticide, getting pushed as "okay" is exactly what kills the fun for many. If that's how one wants to play their game, fine. But many of us would like options beyond that. If a good PC wants to try and raise goblin children that survived the deaths of their tribe, he should not have it blow up in his face every time by default.
That's one thing I didn't like about Orcs of Golarion. It really piled on the rationalizations for orcs always being evil to the point that it seemed to be more actively trying to discourage anyone doing good or neutral orcs than anything else. It just made me sad that the orc book shut down possibilities for them rather than opening them up.
I agree with the over all point of this post. All but I didn't have a issue with them pushing the orcs to usually be evil. :)
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I agree with the over all point of this post. All but I didn't have a issue with them pushing the orcs to usually be evil. :)
Heck, I'd actually be okay with "usually" as long as it wasn't "always".
That's why I latched onto that bit on paladins in that book like a drowning man clinging bits of shattered hull. :)
Just speaking for myself:
I'd rather have my antagonists antagonism rooted in their actions and goals, perhaps even culture, rather than race first and foremost.
I don't really see "They're X? Let's kill 'em all!" as a precious game feature.
Lots of other good stuff..
+1 to all of this.
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Are we going to see the possibility of a new goblin t-shirt with the release of this book??? I am dying to see a new goblin shirt as i hate myself for missing out on the limited release before. Please consider releasing a new goblin shirt with this book...
+1!! I've commandeered my fiance's goblins shirt so many times I'm not sure whose shirt it is anymore. I would LOVE to have another shirt that has anything to do with Paizo Goblins!
+1 to all sorts of Goblin Wear. It would be to cool to have a good quality shirt with all sorts of Goblin mayhem on it :)
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Here's a thought for goblin shirts: A series of shirts based off the condition cards... could have the Goblin picture and quote on front and the condition(s) listed and described on back. Who wouldn't want a "fascinated" goblin shirt? Oooo shiny!
