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Liberty's Edge

^ Although I'm sad some of the discussion of Cori's interviews / Utena got culled in the aftermath. :)


? Yeah I'm conFused by that.....

Silver Crusade

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Yeah, I specifically flagged and moved on to share my news? I didn't reference anything :(

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Erp, my mistake. That thread of discussion is back.

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Just scheduled two more interviews with local news stations this afternoon. Now time to quick do the dishes, then shower and then get ready for more press! I'll post links when I can :D


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Please remember the little people when you make it big!

Silver Crusade

Remind me: what does 'NSFW' stand for?

'Not suitable for women'? Nah, can't be.

Silver Crusade

Not Safe For Work. As in, not the sort of thing you would want up on your computer when the boss walks by.

Silver Crusade

Celestial Healer wrote:
Not Safe For Work. As in, not the sort of thing you would want up on your computer when the boss walks by.

Thankyou. : )


Not sure if it should be posted here or in the Homosexuality in Golarion thread, but I'm curious; when you play a lgbtq character, do you think you should put that on your character sheet?

The reason I ask is because I am reminded of an anecdote I heard browsing a different gaming board some months ago, in which a player was playing a male hobgoblin and another player was playing a female human. I forget the exact details, but I know that the player of the human had some beef with the hobgoblin's player or wanted him to do something, but at some point the human's player decided to try to roll to seduce the hobgoblin in hopes of getting him to do something she wanted. The human got an obscenely high diplomacy check, but the hobgoblin simply laughed it off and the player pointed out that the character was in fact homosexual--it was even on the character sheet.

Now the only reason I bring this up is that I wonder if it seems like an asspull if you only inform people your character isn't heterosexual when it comes to npcs or other pcs trying to seduce them or other such things that depend on the character being straight. I mean it seems like something that doesn't need mentioning most of the time, but when it does actually come up mechanically...


No...I have a gay pc in a game I'm running more and it isn't on the sheet.


Makes me wonder if the world wouldn't be a better place if everything about us was on our "character sheets" and everyone's sheet was an open book.


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Terquem wrote:
Makes me wonder if the world wouldn't be a better place if everything about us was on our "character sheets" and everyone's sheet was an open book.

I prefer mystery to blatancy.


I really will try harder not to post to this thread, it makes me feel bad and I often say things I regret.


FanaticRat wrote:


Now the only reason I bring this up is that I wonder if it seems like an asspull if you only inform people your character isn't heterosexual when it comes to npcs or other pcs trying to seduce them or other such things that depend on the character being straight. I mean it seems like something that doesn't need mentioning most of the time, but when it does actually come up mechanically...

I think it really depends on the social contract the group is operating under. The usual one in D&D/PF is that interaction skills simply do not work PC vs. PC. I'm not totally in love with that social contract and can see plenty of situations where the game could be a lot more interesting with a different one.

But honestly, what's the outcome if not that the hobgoblin is gay and that's the end of it? That the DM says your PC isn't really gay? That the DM rules that, as gay as your PC is, the seduction works anyway? That's far more obviously problematic, on top of a situation that in many groups is problematic in itself.


My ruling in that circumstances is: he/she made a great impression on you... If the player is ok with that it might be also "you are turned on"... Final decision is up to you.

Silver Crusade

Drejk wrote:
My ruling in that circumstances is: he/she made a great impression on you... If the player is ok with that it might be also "you are turned on"... Final decision is up to you.

Indeed. All the Diplomacy roll does is make the individual friendly/helpful. Any suggestion that a good enough Diplomacy roll will get somebody into bed is outside the scope of the rules.


I don't think the intention was to get the PC into bed, but rather to get him to do something specific for the player with sexuality and seduction being the means not the end.


Yes, I ususally put it in the sheet or backstory. There are some monster abilities that work differently depending on sexual attraction, and I wouldn't like to be accused of saying my character is homosexual to save it from those abilities.


So I found a Facebook page on Crossdressing that I started to follow just to see if it's of any value to me. As soon as I did, Other Pages I May Like now include a bunch of pages dedicated to Tgirls (seriously, that's what they are all labeled in some way). Just because I like women's clothes or I like crossdressers (in this case, it's simply "liking" the page and has nothing to do with me at all) doesn't mean I automatically want a "Tgirl." Isn't that term a little offensive anyway? It reduces those who are going through whatever transitions they need to to being just a sexual object for creeps. I know that everyone has their thing, but in my experience, when I've tried to set up a dating profile for Cindy, I got a lot of creeps. Men who only wanted one thing and wanted it their way. Am I making a mountain out of a molehill? Did I explain my concerns clearly or am I all jumbled with my thoughts?


Unknown. I know there is an issue in the trans community with being seen as a sexual object due to fetishes, but people rarely enjoy intimate relations with people they are not into. I think this is one of those ugly (or potentialy ugly) wrinkles that has a lot of facets. There was an interesting old episode of Jerry Springer (yes I watched more than a few eps back in the day) where a transgender woman stated that she was angry with a lover because she wanted to be treated like a person-not as someones sexual fantasy, kink, or experiment. That alwAys haunted me, and I ruminate over the many interpretations of that comment when I have time.


Dogbladewarrior wrote:

I thought it would be cool to create a thread where members of the LGBT community who are also gamers could come and share their life stories, experiences as gamers, and struggles (whether in dealing with their sexuality in relation to our society or not).

** spoiler omitted **...

Thanks for this thread. I look forward to the posts!


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My experiences started very young. I can remember wanting to play with the doll house in the kindergarten classroom when I was five.

I looked up to female heroes in film and television in the 70's. Princess Leia (Carrie Fisher), Wilma Deering (Erin Gray), Wonder Woman (Lynda Carter), Batgirl (Yvonne Craig)1966 Batman.

By the time I was in my teens things were becoming clearer. Late teens and 20's I think I was maturing in my transgenderism. By my late 20's I was finally fully aware and awake to my own situation, even though I had suppressed it and denied it for so long.

I finally made my first female identity character with the hobby. Under PFRPG rules she is a Half-Elf Sorcerer with the Fey bloodline. She will always be a part of me, even if she is only an expression of my female self.

I now in my forties have experimented more with dressing up and found that I have a natural talent for applying makeup. I am at peace with myself more than ever these days, and I am grateful for a openminded Paizo community in which to share my post with you.

The Countess


Hello there.


Greetings countess.


Freehold DM wrote:
Greetings countess.

Salutations to all.


Freehold DM wrote:
Kajehase wrote:
I really wish the 'fro and 'stache combo would make a comeback among black men. Such a cooler look than what's in right now.
lets see YOU maintain one ofthose things. They went out of style because theywere just too difficult to manage-a real drain on time. Although I do miss combing my face...I loved the Cleveland show episode where they showed his comically large moustache and beard grooming set complete with ruler. .. made me think of my dad back in the day.

I'd look like Simon Garfunkel...


Bob_Loblaw wrote:
So I found a Facebook page on Crossdressing that I started to follow just to see if it's of any value to me. As soon as I did, Other Pages I May Like now include a bunch of pages dedicated to Tgirls (seriously, that's what they are all labeled in some way). Just because I like women's clothes or I like crossdressers (in this case, it's simply "liking" the page and has nothing to do with me at all) doesn't mean I automatically want a "Tgirl." Isn't that term a little offensive anyway? It reduces those who are going through whatever transitions they need to to being just a sexual object for creeps. I know that everyone has their thing, but in my experience, when I've tried to set up a dating profile for Cindy, I got a lot of creeps. Men who only wanted one thing and wanted it their way. Am I making a mountain out of a molehill? Did I explain my concerns clearly or am I all jumbled with my thoughts?

That's due to Facebook's internal system, where they have lumped certain keywords in the same category. So if you "Like" one of those you'll be steered towards all the pages they have lumped in that category.

So chalk it up to Facebook not knowing the community and the various "groupings" within it (or being lazy about the terms so they can increase add revenue).


GentleGiant wrote:
Bob_Loblaw wrote:
So I found a Facebook page on Crossdressing that I started to follow just to see if it's of any value to me. As soon as I did, Other Pages I May Like now include a bunch of pages dedicated to Tgirls (seriously, that's what they are all labeled in some way). Just because I like women's clothes or I like crossdressers (in this case, it's simply "liking" the page and has nothing to do with me at all) doesn't mean I automatically want a "Tgirl." Isn't that term a little offensive anyway? It reduces those who are going through whatever transitions they need to to being just a sexual object for creeps. I know that everyone has their thing, but in my experience, when I've tried to set up a dating profile for Cindy, I got a lot of creeps. Men who only wanted one thing and wanted it their way. Am I making a mountain out of a molehill? Did I explain my concerns clearly or am I all jumbled with my thoughts?

That's due to Facebook's internal system, where they have lumped certain keywords in the same category. So if you "Like" one of those you'll be steered towards all the pages they have lumped in that category.

So chalk it up to Facebook not knowing the community and the various "groupings" within it (or being lazy about the terms so they can increase add revenue).

as if you needed more proof that facebook was evil beyond redemption...


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And people wonder why I scrubbed my facebook clean and never go on it.

...Well actually that's more because I'm a paranoid hermit but still...


I have friends and family scattered across the country and even in a few in other countries. Facebook is the easiest way for us to stay in contact. It also allows me to have a forum for my questions that I know will be seen by the people who I trust and seek answers from about Cindy. It's much harder to do that in other ways because I can count on them being on Facebook but not other places.


Eh to each their own. I just prefer more direct contact, and I really don't like my business being on the Internet. I prefer the anonymity, especially for stuff like this thread. Like hell I want anyone to link my name to any lgbtq stuff with a search, especially friends and family.


I don't have the option of more direct contact with at least half of my friends and family. We're just spread too thin. Whenever I plan on shutting down my page, I remember that I had lost contact with so many of them at one point and this has given me the opportunity to reconnect. I also decided that coming out was a good thing for me so I don't really care if someone finds me in a search. But I also live in a rather liberal area so it's different for me.

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I know, I know, very, very late, but cudos to you, Cori Marie for your dedication and courage. Congratulation for your judical victory, all the best for the next steps!


This is not an LGBT issue, but we had a fire at work last night. Everyone got out safe and the investigation just started on what caused it. I don't know how long our store is closed. I'm sure I can work at another store until we reopen but I'm worried about some of my coworkers. They are complaining about their lungs and nasal passages hurting. I've already told them to file an L&I claim and see a doctor to make sure they are ok. Even though most of them weren't near the fire, smoke inhalation can still be dangerous especially to anyone with respiratory problems. CO levels rise quickly and most stores don't have adequate ventilation to deal with that.

The physical damage to the store is mostly smoke and water, which means that we probably will be able to reopen soon. We have never practiced any fire drills in the 13 years I've worked there but the team was amazing from what I've been told. They got everyone out quickly and safely in a matter of minutes. Everyone stepped up and no one panicked. Kudos to my coworkers. They are a great bunch of people.

Scarab Sages

Good to hear...well, sort of...I am just thinking that I never had a fire-drill, and i am doing the nightshift at a local gas station tonight... nevertheless, good to hear you are allright and I am hoping the same for your coworkers.


I wasn't there so I'm just fine. This just means I get to sit at home and either practice putting on my make up or head over to a friend's house for some impromptu gaming. Still trying to decide.

I have a feeling that emergency procedures will be a topic for quite some time at work.

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So a couple pages back the subject of your own personal character sheets for your real life came up. Well one of my gaming group said I'm a real life paladin of Arshea for what I've done with my case, and that the outcome was my Mythic Ascension. Just for fun I decided to write up my own character sheet.

Corinne Marie McCreery
Female Human Paladin 5/Guardian 1
LG Medium Humanoid (human)
Init +1; Senses Perception +3
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Defense
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AC 16, touch 11, flat-footed 15 (+5 armor, +1 Dex)
hp 39 (5d10+5)
Fort +8 (+4 vs. hot or cold environments and to resist damage from suffocation), Ref +6, Will +11; +1 vs. [emotion] effects
Immune disease, fear
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Offense
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Speed 30 ft.
Melee +1 Merciful Light flail +6 (1d8+1+1d6 non-lethal/x2)
Special Attacks smite evil (2/day)
Spell-Like Abilities
. . At will—Detect Evil (At will)
Paladin Spells Prepared (CL 2):
1 (2/day) Protection from Evil, Challenge Evil (DC 15)
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Statistics
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Str 10, Dex 12, Con 10, Int 12, Wis 12, Cha 18
Base Atk +5; CMB +5; CMD 16
Feats Endurance, Fearless Curiosity, Iron Will, Iron Will [Mythic], Virtuous Creed (Protection)
Traits Charming, Oathbound (1/day)
Skills Bluff +4 (+5 vs. characters who could be attracted to you), Craft (Drawing) +9, Diplomacy +12 (+13 vs. characters who could be attracted to you), Handle Animal +10, Knowledge (local) +6, Perception +3, Sense Motive +9, Swim +0 (+4 to resist nonlethal damage from exhaustion)
Languages Common, German
SQ aura of courage, aura of good, divine bonds (weapon [1/day]), hard to kill, lay on hands (2d6) (6/day), mercies (mercy [fatigued]), merciful, paladin channel positive energy 3d6 (3/day) (dc 16, surge, variant channeling (beauty/love/lust variant channeling [±2 sacred])
Other Gear +1 Mithral Chain shirt, +1 Merciful Light flail, Backpack (empty), Bottle, Holy symbol, silver (Arshea), Ink, black, Ink, colored, Inkpen, Journal, Parchment (10), Perfume, common (10), Portrait book, Waterskin, 5 GP, 9 SP
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Special Abilities
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Absorb Blow (5 damage) (Su) As an imm action, use 1 power when dam to absorb listed amount to gain epic DR and Resist.
Aura of Courage +4 (10' radius) (Su) You are immune to Fear. Allies within aura gain a morale bonus to saves vs Fear.
Aura of Good (Ex) The paladin has an Aura of Good with power equal to her class level.
Avenging Maneuver (Ex) Melee criticals on you provoke an AoO, which you can only use to bull rush, disarm, sunder or trip.
Beauty/Love/Lust Variant Channeling (±2 Sacred) Grants a bonus/penalty versus charm & fascinate effects.
Charming +1 Bluff/Diplomacy/save DC for a language-dependent spell vs. targets who could be sexually attracted to you.
Detect Evil (At will) (Sp) You can use detect evil at will (as the spell).
Divine Bond (Weapon +1) (5 minutes) (1/day) (Sp) Weapon shines with light and gains enhancement bonuses or chosen properties.
Endurance +4 to a variety of fort saves, skill and ability checks. Sleep in L/M armor with no fatigue.
Fearless Curiosity +1 save vs. emotion effects, and get a save every round you are affected by fear.
Hard to Kill (Ex) Automatically stabilize when dying, and only die at neg Con x 2.
Immunity to Disease You are immune to diseases.
Immunity to Fear (Ex) You are immune to all fear effects.
Iron Will [Mythic] Roll Will save vs. spells, Sp, or Su abilities from non-mythic foe twice (take higher).
Lay on Hands (2d6) (6/day) (Su) You can heal 2d6 damage, 6/day
Merciful +1d6 damage, but all damage is nonlethal.
Mercy (Fatigued) (Su) When you use your lay on hands ability, it also removes the fatigued condition.
Oathbound (1/day) Reroll a saving throw against a Charm or Compulsion effect.
Paladin Channel Positive Energy 3d6 (3/day) (DC 16) (Su) Positive energy heals the living and harms the undead; negative has the reverse effect.
Smite Evil (2/day) (Su) +4 to hit, +5 to damage, +4 deflection bonus to AC when used.
Surge (1d6) (Su) Use 1 power to increase any d20 roll by the listed amount.
Virtuous Creed (Protection) +4 bonus to ally's AC when using Aid


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Principal proud of transgender homecoming queen's election

Quote:

"If I win it would mean that the school recognizes me as the gender I always felt I was," Cassidy, 16, told The Times before the election.

"But with all the attention, I realized it's bigger than me," she said. "I'm doing this for the kids who can't be themselves."


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It took me about a year to come out to my gaming group. Being a bisexual (omnisexual is more accurate. . .and ominous), hiding my sexual preference is second nature. I can be whatever people expect, and so I usually just blend and watch my words. When I finally made my big reveal...nothing changed. I was laughed at mercilessly: not for being bi, but for making such a big deal about telling my group a piece of information that did not change their opinion of me one bit. It was absolute acceptance: no animosity, no walking on eggshells, just the kind of friendly abuse that any all-male group of friends usually partakes in. My nervous little speech is now the subject of many a-drunken revelry, and sung of by the bards when they need a cheap laugh.

Just wanted to share my little tale of good company triumphing over bad prejudice. If you find true friends, they won't care who you prefer to be with: they'll make fun of you the same, either way.


Unfortunately the transgender homecoming queen's story has a sting in the tail.

Just shows how much work there is still to be done.

Silver Crusade

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Yeah, I've gotten some nasty vitriolic comments on my story as well, and can understand what she's going through. Some of the nastiest things said to and about me have come from my own family even.


Mark Sweetman wrote:

Unfortunately the transgender homecoming queen's story has a sting in the tail.

Just shows how much work there is still to be done.

Yeah, her youtube video is really sad. Left her a supportive comment underneath, but it's probably drowned out by the transphobic commenters.

Silver Crusade

Cori Marie wrote:
Yeah, I've gotten some nasty vitriolic comments on my story as well, and can understand what she's going through. Some of the nastiest things said to and about me have come from my own family even.

I've no idea how you would go about this, Cori, but maybe it would help her a lot to hear about your experiences, good and bad. Your story is inspirational, and who needs that more than her.

Good luck!

Scarab Sages

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Hmpf...
LGBT people will always have to deal with ignorance - many people have unproportional trouble to relate to anything outside their own personal space - there will always be questions, sometimes silly questions, opinions (often silly opinions) and lack of empathy. Much of this will vanish when those folk 'has to' deal with LGBT people on a regular basis (it was a beauty to behold the ressentiments and strange opinions of my mother vanish into haze when she got an openly gay coworker).

For the same reason LGBT people will probably always have to deal with phobia - people can develope irrational phobias against almost anything, especially things outside their own personals space and their comfort zone - those will sometimes be hurtful, but as long as we are talking about phobia, much of that will be as uncomfortable for the phobic as for the subject of the phobia. Sometimes the phobia will shrink and vanish the same way, ignorance does.

I just hope to see the day that LGBT people will no longer have to deal with spite, hate and unproportional discrimination (yup, I said it, unproportional discrimination - I have long given up on discrimination going the way of the dodo, not only against LGBT people but against anything out of the expected norm in general, but as long as this discrimination can be overcome and doesn't really endanger life and personal freedom, it can be dealt with).

I hope Cassidy will find strength and comfort among her family, friends and those schoolmates that made her day a happy one before the **** hit the fan.

Silver Crusade

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Malachi Silverclaw wrote:
Cori Marie wrote:
Yeah, I've gotten some nasty vitriolic comments on my story as well, and can understand what she's going through. Some of the nastiest things said to and about me have come from my own family even.

I've no idea how you would go about this, Cori, but maybe it would help her a lot to hear about your experiences, good and bad. Your story is inspirational, and who needs that more than her.

Good luck!

Already commented on her video, I think I'll see if I can send her a private message there as well.


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I do not understand gender policing. Really, really do not understand it, on any level.

If the person next to me is male or female, or both or neither, or wants to swap off on alternate Wednesdays, it is utterly and completely None Of My Business. I truly don't care. All I need to know is what pronoun they prefer so I can use it and get on to the actual point of whatever interaction I'm having with them. Unless I am dating them, their gender is irrelevant. Does not matter, none of my concern, why would I care even in the smallest way?

Yet this is some of the most frequent and compulsive social behavior I see people engaging in. Somehow, most people are unhealthily obsessed with the gender status of everyone around them, and they will go to insane lengths to force others to behave in ways that fit their personal gender models, and stop them or punish them for gender role transgression. Bullying and violence are not at all uncommon in gender policing.

Neurotypical humans are basically monkeys who are completely at the mercy of their monkey instincts and who rarely have the capacity for rational thought or behavior. That is the only conclusion I can really draw here.


Because, in the words of Howard Jones, "We want everyone."

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