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Nepherti wrote:
A good friend of mine told me that 10% of the world is completely and utterly heterosexual. 10% is completely and utterly homosexual. The other 80% is bisexual to some degree, it's just a matter of whether or not you act on it. With this definition, men who engage in threesomes or foursomes or orgies could be considered bisexual, whereas several men I know would be considered heterosexual, since they can only ever really copulate with one or multiple women present.

All of the surveys for sexuality for the past 50 years have put the numbers at 96% heterosexual, 1-2% homosexual, and about 0.6% bisexual. Trans people don't really register on this, but I have seen about 0.3% of the population for them quoted several times. Even many gay rights activists that have used a 10-20% of the population being homosexual have admitted that those numbers were greatly exaggerated.

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Cory Stafford 29 wrote:
Nepherti wrote:
A good friend of mine told me that 10% of the world is completely and utterly heterosexual. 10% is completely and utterly homosexual. The other 80% is bisexual to some degree, it's just a matter of whether or not you act on it. With this definition, men who engage in threesomes or foursomes or orgies could be considered bisexual, whereas several men I know would be considered heterosexual, since they can only ever really copulate with one or multiple women present.
All of the surveys for sexuality for the past 50 years have put the numbers at 96% heterosexual, 1-2% homosexual, and about 0.6% bisexual. Trans people don't really register on this, but I have seen about 0.3% of the population for them quoted several times. Even many gay rights activists that have used a 10-20% of the population being homosexual have admitted that those numbers were greatly exaggerated.

Yeah, but who's writing those surveys? Who's taking them? Who's defining what "sexuality" is?

"Sexuality" as a concept is a fairly recent invention in human history and we shouldn't draw too many conclusions from those kinds of studies without interrogating the assumptions they're based on.


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Big legal news:

The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, which covers Illinois, Indiana and Wisconsin, ruled today that sexual orientation is protected under Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

The case involves a woman named Kimberly Hively who was in court fighting the Ivy Tech Community College of Indiana against discriminatory hiring practices. Basically, from what I understand, back in 2009, she was spotted kissing a woman in a parking lot, so the college wouldn't hire her.

From the Court's ruling:

Chief Judge Diane Wood wrote:
Our panel described the line between a gender nonconformity claim and one based on sexual orientation as gossamer-thin; we conclude that it does not exist at all. Hively's claim is no different from the claims brought by women who were rejected for jobs in traditionally male work-places, such as fire departments, construction, and policing. The employers in those cases were policing the boundaries of what jobs or behaviors they found acceptable for a woman (or in some cases, for a man).

This covers workplace discrimination against gay, lesbian and bi people. It's sexual orientation, so trans people aren't included in the ruling. However, Joshua Block, an ACLU lawyer, points out:

Joshua Block wrote:
Every single anti-trans opinion (and brief) prominently relies on the 1984 Ulane decision that CA7 just overruled.

There is a twitter thread breakdown of the ruling here, by lawyer Greg Lipper.

So, this still has to get before the Supreme Court at some point, from what I understand, but this is a good step in the right direction.


Let's just hope that the Supreme Court isn't utterly poisoned by then. :/


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I'm actually hopefully optimistic about the courts for the simple reason that certain individual in power keeps saying they're 'full of *expletive*'.

It doesn't matter if the judge/justice in question provides the sort of rulings other justices/judges like or not, it's the attempt at undermining the faith in the judicial system that may be the unlikely uniter in the coming years.


Cory Stafford 29 wrote:
Nepherti wrote:
A good friend of mine told me that 10% of the world is completely and utterly heterosexual. 10% is completely and utterly homosexual. The other 80% is bisexual to some degree, it's just a matter of whether or not you act on it. With this definition, men who engage in threesomes or foursomes or orgies could be considered bisexual, whereas several men I know would be considered heterosexual, since they can only ever really copulate with one or multiple women present.
All of the surveys for sexuality for the past 50 years have put the numbers at 96% heterosexual, 1-2% homosexual, and about 0.6% bisexual. Trans people don't really register on this, but I have seen about 0.3% of the population for them quoted several times. Even many gay rights activists that have used a 10-20% of the population being homosexual have admitted that those numbers were greatly exaggerated.

I don't think anybody above thought the quote you quoted believeD that to be scientific...I mean to me it sounded like a belief.

I mean personally I don't think we can trust in survey about sexuality or gender till as mechapoet said it is better defined...and also we get rid of most of the hate and ignorance towards LGBT people so people can answer honesty.


Phantom of Truth wrote:
Let's just hope that the Supreme Court isn't utterly poisoned by then. :/

If it's just Gorsuch, then we're sort of back to where we were with Scalia, and we got marriage equality while Scalia was on the bench. So, not as sure a thing as it would have been with Garland, but still well possible.


Cory Stafford 29 wrote:
Nepherti wrote:
A good friend of mine told me that 10% of the world is completely and utterly heterosexual. 10% is completely and utterly homosexual. The other 80% is bisexual to some degree, it's just a matter of whether or not you act on it. With this definition, men who engage in threesomes or foursomes or orgies could be considered bisexual, whereas several men I know would be considered heterosexual, since they can only ever really copulate with one or multiple women present.
All of the surveys for sexuality for the past 50 years have put the numbers at 96% heterosexual, 1-2% homosexual, and about 0.6% bisexual. Trans people don't really register on this, but I have seen about 0.3% of the population for them quoted several times. Even many gay rights activists that have used a 10-20% of the population being homosexual have admitted that those numbers were greatly exaggerated.

The latest number I've seen from for the transgender population the Williams Institute, which is I think where the 0.3% originally came from, is now at about 0.6% of adults, or 1.4 million. The number would obviously go up if you add in kids and teens, but I'm not sure how the percentage would shift.

That would put as at about 1 out of every 167 adults, which feels about right to me.


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KSF wrote:
Phantom of Truth wrote:
Let's just hope that the Supreme Court isn't utterly poisoned by then. :/
If it's just Gorsuch, then we're sort of back to where we were with Scalia, and we got marriage equality while Scalia was on the bench. So, not as sure a thing as it would have been with Garland, but still well possible.

Indeed. I'm just indescribably bitter about that entire situation.

What worries me is the possibility of another loss, from the left this time.


I hear that.


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Here's some great news about keeping your job if you are gay or perceived as gay.

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Woot!

*channels positive feelings and offers hugs to anyone and everyone that wants or needs some*


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* joins the Hugmaster General in the giving of hugs *

* also offers handshakes, nods of the head, and winks to anyone who prefer those to hugs *

Stay awesome, everyone. We are all better off because you are here.

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My depression hit hard this week. So going to take those hugs!
Have a good week, all of you!


Cory Stafford 29 wrote:
Nepherti wrote:
A good friend of mine told me that 10% of the world is completely and utterly heterosexual. 10% is completely and utterly homosexual. The other 80% is bisexual to some degree, it's just a matter of whether or not you act on it. With this definition, men who engage in threesomes or foursomes or orgies could be considered bisexual, whereas several men I know would be considered heterosexual, since they can only ever really copulate with one or multiple women present.
All of the surveys for sexuality for the past 50 years have put the numbers at 96% heterosexual, 1-2% homosexual, and about 0.6% bisexual. Trans people don't really register on this, but I have seen about 0.3% of the population for them quoted several times. Even many gay rights activists that have used a 10-20% of the population being homosexual have admitted that those numbers were greatly exaggerated.

I work in this field. By the time the numbers get to you, they are badly out of date.


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Cory Stafford 29 wrote:
Nepherti wrote:
A good friend of mine told me that 10% of the world is completely and utterly heterosexual. 10% is completely and utterly homosexual. The other 80% is bisexual to some degree, it's just a matter of whether or not you act on it. With this definition, men who engage in threesomes or foursomes or orgies could be considered bisexual, whereas several men I know would be considered heterosexual, since they can only ever really copulate with one or multiple women present.
All of the surveys for sexuality for the past 50 years have put the numbers at 96% heterosexual, 1-2% homosexual, and about 0.6% bisexual. Trans people don't really register on this, but I have seen about 0.3% of the population for them quoted several times. Even many gay rights activists that have used a 10-20% of the population being homosexual have admitted that those numbers were greatly exaggerated.
I work in this field. By the time the numbers get to you, they are badly out of date.

As out of date as that post Cory dug up to reply to?

Seriously, how fast are they changing?

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Approximately 99% of the US population are people. Some fraction of the remaining 1% are politicians.

Other than that, there's just no telling.

Hugs everybody. Running my 100th table credit on Monday. Woot.


The Usual Suspect wrote:

Approximately 99% of the US population are people. Some fraction of the remaining 1% are politicians.

Other than that, there's just no telling.

To quote Gerald Ford: "Nobody's Human".

Allegedly after a waiter spilled a drink on him.


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I'm a figment of my own imagination, myself.


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feytharn wrote:

My depression hit hard this week. So going to take those hugs!

Have a good week, all of you!

*hugs*

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Selene Spires wrote:
feytharn wrote:

My depression hit hard this week. So going to take those hugs!

Have a good week, all of you!
*hugs*

*hugs*


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Rysky wrote:
Selene Spires wrote:
feytharn wrote:

My depression hit hard this week. So going to take those hugs!

Have a good week, all of you!
*hugs*
*hugs*

* piles on the hugs *


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Uncle Teddy wrote:
I'm a figment of my own imagination, myself.

No, you're a figment of mine. But only when I'm sober. :P

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The Usual Suspect wrote:

Approximately 99% of the US population are people. Some fraction of the remaining 1% are politicians.

Made me think of this

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It's Thursday, so here's a Lion and a Dachshund being buddies :3

*channels positive feelings and offers hugs to anyone and everyone that wnats or needs some*


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Mark Thomas 66 wrote:
The Usual Suspect wrote:

Approximately 99% of the US population are people. Some fraction of the remaining 1% are politicians.

Made me think of this

I don't know which is worse- the hideousness of those human suits or the utter vileness lurking underneath.


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thejeff wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Cory Stafford 29 wrote:
Nepherti wrote:
A good friend of mine told me that 10% of the world is completely and utterly heterosexual. 10% is completely and utterly homosexual. The other 80% is bisexual to some degree, it's just a matter of whether or not you act on it. With this definition, men who engage in threesomes or foursomes or orgies could be considered bisexual, whereas several men I know would be considered heterosexual, since they can only ever really copulate with one or multiple women present.
All of the surveys for sexuality for the past 50 years have put the numbers at 96% heterosexual, 1-2% homosexual, and about 0.6% bisexual. Trans people don't really register on this, but I have seen about 0.3% of the population for them quoted several times. Even many gay rights activists that have used a 10-20% of the population being homosexual have admitted that those numbers were greatly exaggerated.
I work in this field. By the time the numbers get to you, they are badly out of date.

As out of date as that post Cory dug up to reply to?

Seriously, how fast are they changing?

very.

Muddying the waters is that people are quick to quote studies but slow to note the year that the studies came out.


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Good morning, all you wonderful people.

* big fluffy bear hugs, hearty handshakes, polite nods, and sly winks to everyone out there - whatever you prefer *


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Rysky wrote:

It's Thursday, so here's a Lion and a Dachshund being buddies :3

*channels positive feelings and offers hugs to anyone and everyone that wnats or needs some*

Awww! :)


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John Napier 698 wrote:
Rysky wrote:

It's Thursday, so here's a Lion and a Dachshund being buddies :3

*channels positive feelings and offers hugs to anyone and everyone that wnats or needs some*

Awww! :)

"Dogs and (Big) cats living together. Mass Hysteria." :)


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*Providing a bright and warm place for hugs, smiles, companionship, talk and merryment. Also providing tea*


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*sticks hand into fire to try and burn away the icky darkness surrounding him at the moment, because...*

Spoiler:
...it's a bad moment.

I'm thinking dark things and it's not the kind of thing I really want to dwell on or even share because in comparison to other folks on this thread it's inconsequential and nearly trivial.

*hugs*


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* grabs Wei Ji in a big fluffy bear hug *


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Happy Friday Eve, folks.

*sending lots of love and light out to everyone to burn away the darkness that assails us all*


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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
because...*

Someone in pain is in *pain*. If it helps you cope with pain to say, "I feel better because I see how much worse life could be", then OK.

But if making comparisons only makes you feel worse, then find some other way to mitigate your pain.

"I hurt" is not something that you measure on a scale. If you hurt, we're here to hug and distract and provide love to help you get through to the less-hurtful side.


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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


*sticks hand into fire to try and burn away the icky darkness surrounding him at the moment, because...*

** spoiler omitted **y

*hugs*

*hugs*

Pain is pain...while what I am going through may seem to be bigger and more important than what you are going through...I does not mean the pain you feel is any less real...or that I can not take a small break from my stuff to give you a hug, a ear to listen to you, or a shoulder to cry on.

Heck it might be nice change of pace to help someone a inconsequential problem. ;)


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"Shared pain is lessened; shared joy, increased — thus do we refute entropy." -- Callahan's Law


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*accepts hugs and positivity, but fears being the singularity that leaves nothing good in its wake*

...just a general feeling of malaise, that *nothing* I've been doing is 'right', and if one isn't 'right' on something even a smidgen of the time, particularly on given forums.

I suppose I should remember that forums can distill not only vitriol, but also hope.

Thank you.


Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


*accepts hugs and positivity, but fears being the singularity that leaves nothing good in its wake*

...just a general feeling of malaise, that *nothing* I've been doing is 'right', and if one isn't 'right' on something even a smidgen of the time, particularly on given forums.

I suppose I should remember that forums can distill not only vitriol, but also hope.

Thank you.

Oh...that is really inconsequential. ;)

Seriously though I feel like that most of the time...though alot less lately. It is like every time I try to do something it always turns out wrong. I just try your keep positive.


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There is no such thing as inconsequential pain. If it hurts you then it hurts you. I don't have a lot of answers to problems of advice. I do have a shoulder to cry on if you need it.

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*hugs Wei*

And we made it to another Friday!

*channels positive feelings and offers hugs to anyone and everyone that needs some*


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* lets out a might roar to banish all the darkness, negativity, and general badness away *

* grabs everyone in a big soft fluffy bear hug *


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*looks up from writing for a moment.* Woo, Friday! Wait, crap. That means I need to keep editing. Deadline for the next chapter is tomorrow. *dives back into work*

Silver Crusade

>_<

I have to get back to editing and creating too >_>


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*channels the excessive heat from his room to the thread, because sharing is caring*

Thank you folks... and... Friday.. what was I doing... oh, right, trying to update my characters for the convention this weekend? ...prepping the table for tomorrow?

...don't get older and on the Internet...

*coughs*

Have a great day and do awesome things.

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Uncle Teddy's Bear, Fred wrote:
* lets out a might roar to banish all the darkness, negativity, and general badness away *

Now I'm mentally recasting My Neighbor Totoro with bears. Thank you! :D

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thejeff wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Cory Stafford 29 wrote:
Nepherti wrote:
A good friend of mine told me that 10% of the world is completely and utterly heterosexual. 10% is completely and utterly homosexual. The other 80% is bisexual to some degree, it's just a matter of whether or not you act on it. With this definition, men who engage in threesomes or foursomes or orgies could be considered bisexual, whereas several men I know would be considered heterosexual, since they can only ever really copulate with one or multiple women present.
All of the surveys for sexuality for the past 50 years have put the numbers at 96% heterosexual, 1-2% homosexual, and about 0.6% bisexual. Trans people don't really register on this, but I have seen about 0.3% of the population for them quoted several times. Even many gay rights activists that have used a 10-20% of the population being homosexual have admitted that those numbers were greatly exaggerated.
I work in this field. By the time the numbers get to you, they are badly out of date.

As out of date as that post Cory dug up to reply to?

Seriously, how fast are they changing?

Cory's statement about "all of the surveys" is inaccurate.

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Jessica Price wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Cory Stafford 29 wrote:
Nepherti wrote:
A good friend of mine told me that 10% of the world is completely and utterly heterosexual. 10% is completely and utterly homosexual. The other 80% is bisexual to some degree, it's just a matter of whether or not you act on it. With this definition, men who engage in threesomes or foursomes or orgies could be considered bisexual, whereas several men I know would be considered heterosexual, since they can only ever really copulate with one or multiple women present.
All of the surveys for sexuality for the past 50 years have put the numbers at 96% heterosexual, 1-2% homosexual, and about 0.6% bisexual. Trans people don't really register on this, but I have seen about 0.3% of the population for them quoted several times. Even many gay rights activists that have used a 10-20% of the population being homosexual have admitted that those numbers were greatly exaggerated.
I work in this field. By the time the numbers get to you, they are badly out of date.

As out of date as that post Cory dug up to reply to?

Seriously, how fast are they changing?

Cory's statement about "all of the surveys" is inaccurate.

Was this latter one published in a peer reviewed source? It appears to be a survey with a self-selected population, rather than having controls to avoid sample bias.

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It meets the criterion of being a survey, so I'm not sure what any of that matters.

My point was that not "all of the surveys for sexuality for the past 50 years" show the same thing.

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