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Ithsay the Unseen wrote:

And, in other news, my long-distance boyfriend dumped me today.

The breakup was as amicable as these things ever are.

Cake had it right: "'Friend' is a four-letter word."

We return you now to your regularly-scheduled programming.

Ouch...I know that feeling...all the best for you - and if the best are hugs, ice cream and cookies...so be it.

[hugs]


Ithsay the Unseen wrote:

And, in other news, my long-distance boyfriend dumped me today.

The breakup was as amicable as these things ever are.

Cake had it right: "'Friend' is a four-letter word."

We return you now to your regularly-scheduled programming.

My best wishes for a good and hopefully speedy recovery. I fully agree with feytharn.


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Kalindlara wrote:

I don't think that's what Belle was saying, tengu-friend. ^_^

I think her point, in response to Bob's post, was that it's important to report on LGBT athletes (and not treat it as dirty or all about sex). I didn't read her post as being pro-forced outing at all. Look more carefully at the final line of the quote in your post.

Exactly. Thank you.


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Rysky wrote:
*offers hugs*

>accepts hugs, sniffles a bit<

Thanx

Thanks to all; was fishing for sympathy, awfully glad to catch some.

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Np :3


Damn. I'm sorry Ithay.

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*hangs head* Sorry Liz.

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Hey all! I'm curious about something: what kinds of tabletop games do y'all play besides Pathfinder?

Are there games you play more or less often with other people in your queer community/communities? Any systems you like that explicitly acknowledge and/or encourage queer content?


Hmmm, lessee here:

I play a lot of 5E, Savage Worlds, Shadowrun 5E, and Fiasco. There aren't any particular encouragement towards queer characters in any, though-and the games usually fall apart before anything would go anywhere.

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The Doomkitten wrote:
-and the games usually fall apart before anything would go anywhere.

Aww, that's too bad. I know how it is, though. It's tough to find a group and keep a game going past the start.

Silver Crusade

I never get much of a cchance to play tabletop outside of Pathfinder :(

I recently got my core rulebook for 7th Sea 2nd Edition, and I'm really antsy to play it. It actually has art of gay and lesbian couples in the book <3


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I was gaming the other day and we were talking about movie remakes. Someone was upset about Rocky Horror being remade because it was so great. I said that it really wasn't a good movie. It is really about a shared experience. He said that I don't understand because I'm not gay. I quickly responded with, "You don't know anything about me. I could be gay, straight, bi, a pansexual transman, or anything else." The look I got from everyone at the table was priceless. They all seemed genuinely shocked that I was arguing that I could be gay. That's the opposite of how most arguments go.

They still don't know anything about me. :) It's really no one's business. I just thought it was a funny little anecdote.


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Bob_Loblaw wrote:

I was gaming the other day and we were talking about movie remakes. Someone was upset about Rocky Horror being remade because it was so great. I said that it really wasn't a good movie. It is really about a shared experience. He said that I don't understand because I'm not gay. I quickly responded with, "You don't know anything about me. I could be gay, straight, bi, a pansexual transman, or anything else." The look I got from everyone at the table was priceless. They all seemed genuinely shocked that I was arguing that I could be gay. That's the opposite of how most arguments go.

They still don't know anything about me. :) It's really no one's business. I just thought it was a funny little anecdote.

indeed, there are no signs on foreheads.

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I'm upset about it being remade because it's a transmisogynistic movie made by a transmisogynist that gets hero worshipped like it's not problematic.


Hrothdane wrote:
I'm upset about it being remade because it's a transmisogynistic movie made by a transmisogynist that gets hero worshipped like it's not problematic.

is this a scene for scene remake, or are they making any changes to appeal to modern sensibilities?

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mechaPoet wrote:

Hey all! I'm curious about something: what kinds of tabletop games do y'all play besides Pathfinder?

Are there games you play more or less often with other people in your queer community/communities? Any systems you like that explicitly acknowledge and/or encourage queer content?

Mostly Pathfinder these days, but I also love Mutants & Masterminds, Eclipse Phase, Shadowrun, every iteration of Star Wars, and more recently Blue Rose.


Hrothdane wrote:
I'm upset about it being remade because it's a transmisogynistic movie made by a transmisogynist that gets hero worshipped like it's not problematic.

It's problematic as hell. And a pretty horrible movie in all sorts of other ways.

OTOH, the culture that I saw around it, back in the early 90s, when I went fairly regularly for a couple years, was as inclusive as nearly anything at the time. So my associations with it are good.

But yeah, remaking it? WTF? It's a horrible movie. A remake won't be able to capture whatever it was that made it a cult hit and certainly won't be able to turn it into an actual good movie.


mechaPoet wrote:

Hey all! I'm curious about something: what kinds of tabletop games do y'all play besides Pathfinder?

Are there games you play more or less often with other people in your queer community/communities? Any systems you like that explicitly acknowledge and/or encourage queer content?

AFAIK, there isn't much of a queer gaming community in my area; just queer gamers. Of course, I mostly play with friends in private settings.

My circle of friends has mostly moved away from PF to more rules-light games. My main group is playing Dungeon World right now. I'm also playing in a FATE Accelerated sci-fi game, and I was just invited to join a VTT D&D 5e game run by my best friend from college.

I'm still playing PF on the boards, though.


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The bulk of my time right now is PFS play when I can grab a spot in a PbP or at a table at a convention.

However,

I have a character pending for an Exalted 3rd Edition campaign (never played it, curious to see how it goes) with a group of folks I know.

I've also played a couple of Fate-based with the 'international group' (three folks in Oz, two in the States, one American expat in Japan, one person in India, one person in N. Ireland) over R20.

I don't know about queer, because I'm not really dialed into that, but we have had several characters with transgender elements to them?

Something I *want* to play someday (again) is Eclipse Phase, but there are very few groups supporting that in the area.

Played in an on-going Star Wars d6 campaign for a long time, but the personalities of some of the longest tenured members were illness-inducing.

I'm sure there's more out there, I'm spacing at the moment...

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For tabletop RPGs it has been pretty much all Pathfinder for me since I'm an event manager. My home groups are all Pathfinder groups too. Have played some Mutants and Masterminds before; but the juvenile mentality of that particular group drove me away eventually.

I know our local area has a pretty strong D&D Adventure League though.


Here is some horrible news. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, who just succeeded in getting an injunction blocking the rights of trans students, is now going after transgender medical care.

Another lawsuit, to be heard by the same judge.

More details from The Guardian, including TLDEF director Jillian Weiss weighing in on the lawsuit.

The State of Texas is joined in the lawsuit with Wisconsin, Nebraska, Kentucky and Kansas.

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The desperation of the far right to halt the tide of progress is really starting to burn my chaps.

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Okay, no violence then. Love and affection!

*hugs The Kitteh of Doom*


This is a general question to everybody here:

Do you think it is inappropriate for a straight, mundane gender person to play a LGBT character?

I understand the desire to play different kinds of characters but I also wonder if it might be analogous to "blackface" done by a white actor.

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Since you're referencing blackface, I'm assuming you mean "play" as in acting, rather than playing a character in a game? I'd also like to say, whatever my opinions on this issue are, I don't think it's comparable to blackface (or brownface or yellowface) on more than a broad, surface level.

I think non-straight actors should be hired for queer roles, but I don't know if I would say it's inappropriate for straight actors to portray non-straight romantic relationships. It could definitely stand to happen less, but I wouldn't instantly condemn it. However, I am staunchly against cis people playing trans characters, though, for two reasons: 1) there are trans actors who are being passed over for these and other opportunities, which should be corrected, and 2) I've never seen cis people write or play trans characters respectfully or well. I think there should also be mute opportunities for trans actors in general, including playing cis characters.


KSF wrote:

Here is some horrible news. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, who just succeeded in getting an injunction blocking the rights of trans students, is now going after transgender medical care.

Another lawsuit, to be heard by the same judge.

More details from The Guardian, including TLDEF director Jillian Weiss weighing in on the lawsuit.

The State of Texas is joined in the lawsuit with Wisconsin, Nebraska, Kentucky and Kansas.

Ah, good lord. They're just not going to stop. D:

I mean I knew that but it is demoralizing seeing it in action.


Belle Sorciere wrote:
KSF wrote:

Here is some horrible news. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, who just succeeded in getting an injunction blocking the rights of trans students, is now going after transgender medical care.

Another lawsuit, to be heard by the same judge.

More details from The Guardian, including TLDEF director Jillian Weiss weighing in on the lawsuit.

The State of Texas is joined in the lawsuit with Wisconsin, Nebraska, Kentucky and Kansas.

Ah, good lord. They're just not going to stop. D:

I mean I knew that but it is demoralizing seeing it in action.

They're not going to stop.

They're going to be stopped. It's backlash. It's desperation and a reaction to them losing.


thejeff wrote:
Belle Sorciere wrote:
KSF wrote:

Here is some horrible news. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, who just succeeded in getting an injunction blocking the rights of trans students, is now going after transgender medical care.

Another lawsuit, to be heard by the same judge.

More details from The Guardian, including TLDEF director Jillian Weiss weighing in on the lawsuit.

The State of Texas is joined in the lawsuit with Wisconsin, Nebraska, Kentucky and Kansas.

Ah, good lord. They're just not going to stop. D:

I mean I knew that but it is demoralizing seeing it in action.

They're not going to stop.

They're going to be stopped. It's backlash. It's desperation and a reaction to them losing.

I know the arc of the moral universe bends toward justice, but I dread how long it's going to take. Trans folk just want access to necessary medical care and access to public toilets without the very-real fear of violence... the same basic human needs that these bigoted !ssholes take for granted everyday in their own lives.


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Dworkin, Dwarf Alchemist wrote:

This is a general question to everybody here:

Do you think it is inappropriate for a straight, mundane gender person to play a LGBT character?

I understand the desire to play different kinds of characters but I also wonder if it might be analogous to "blackface" done by a white actor.

I would probably fall partially into the 'questioning' area that often gets left off that acronym, but my personal experience has been if one treats one's self and one's fellow player characters and GM with Courtesy, Dignity, and Respect And no, not some forced faux 'respect' then one should be okay?

I've had two trans-male characters in Pathfinder... one in a home RotRL campaign and one who is gradually making his way up the Society ladder, as it were.

Gender is NOT all that a character is about. It's a *part* of what a character is about, but there should be more story than that.

MAJOR kudos to Crystal and the remainder of the panel (whose names elude me atm) at Gen Con on 'Writing Trans Characters' for helping me figure some more of that out beyond what I'd already picked up on myself!

Your mileage may vary, of course, but the above is what I'd suggest, and be sensitive and understanding of your fellow players?


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thejeff wrote:
Belle Sorciere wrote:
KSF wrote:

Here is some horrible news. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, who just succeeded in getting an injunction blocking the rights of trans students, is now going after transgender medical care.Another lawsuit, to be heard by the same judge.

More details from The Guardian, including TLDEF director Jillian Weiss weighing in on the lawsuit.

The State of Texas is joined in the lawsuit with Wisconsin, Nebraska, Kentucky and Kansas.

Ah, good lord. They're just not going to stop. D:

I mean I knew that but it is demoralizing seeing it in action.

They're not going to stop.

They're going to be stopped. It's backlash. It's desperation and a reaction to them losing.

I know the arc of the moral universe bends toward justice, but I dread how long it's going to take. Trans folk just want access to necessary medical care and access to public toilets without the very-real fear of violence... the same basic human needs that these bigoted !ssholes take for granted everyday in their own lives.

I know, but I don't think this one is going to be long. Barring a serious broad shift in public opinion, at least. This is really just hitting public awareness and despite the pushback, it's already not working for them.

10 years ago, they were drumming up votes passing state constitutional amendments banning same-sex marriage. Today, bathroom laws are being fought by the federal government and it's hurting them politically, even in the states where they get them passed.

This isn't even the "arc of the moral universe", this is last ditch flailing.

Admittedly, if Trump somehow gets elected and gets to appoint Justices, we're all in trouble, but there's also a huge and far more likely opportunity for a more liberal court than we've seen in decades. That really will change things.


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In the good news department (smaller good news, but good news):

The Wisconsin Department of Justice has advised the state's Group Insurance Board to stop their recently announced plans to go ahead with implementing coverage for gender surgery next year. The Wisconsin DoJ's reasoning is more or less the same as that put forth in the new Texas lawsuit (in which Wisconsin is a co-plaintiff).

The Group Insurance Board and the state's Department of Employee Trust Funds replied (paraphrasing): Nah, we're going to go ahead and expand trans healthcare coverage just the same, thanks.

Quote:
The insurance board did not take any action on the changes at a meeting Tuesday. ETF is proceeding with the decision made in July, spokesman Mark Lamkins said.

Which I take to mean a) they weren't making the change to coverage under duress. And b) there are some good people out there.

Take your victories where you can find them.


Dworkin, Dwarf Alchemist wrote:

This is a general question to everybody here:

Do you think it is inappropriate for a straight, mundane gender person to play a LGBT character?

I understand the desire to play different kinds of characters but I also wonder if it might be analogous to "blackface" done by a white actor.

If you're talking about actors in, like, film or television, I think it depends on the specifics of the role and the story.

If you're talking about at the gaming table, I think it's definitely appropriate.

(Just my opinion.)


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KSF wrote:

In the good news department (smaller good news, but good news):

The Wisconsin Department of Justice has advised the state's Group Insurance Board to stop their recently announced plans to go ahead with implementing coverage for gender surgery next year. The Wisconsin DoJ's reasoning is more or less the same as that put forth in the new Texas lawsuit (in which Wisconsin is a co-plaintiff).

The Group Insurance Board and the state's Department of Employee Trust Funds replied (paraphrasing): Nah, we're going to go ahead and expand trans healthcare coverage just the same, thanks.

Quote:
The insurance board did not take any action on the changes at a meeting Tuesday. ETF is proceeding with the decision made in July, spokesman Mark Lamkins said.

Which I take to mean a) they weren't making the change to coverage under duress. And b) there are some good people out there.

Take your victories where you can find them.

Hey, thanks for the commentary. I wasn't really thinking of that when I made my demoralized comment.


Dworkin, Dwarf Alchemist wrote:

This is a general question to everybody here:

Do you think it is inappropriate for a straight, mundane gender person to play a LGBT character?

I understand the desire to play different kinds of characters but I also wonder if it might be analogous to "blackface" done by a white actor.

If we were to say that it is inappropriate for a straight, cis-gender person to play a LGBT character we would be condemning a lot of people to stay in the closet. If there's one thing I've gotten from reading these boards, it's to be supportive of diversity at the table.

Blackface is meant to be demeaning; any player I saw playing a character to intentionally offend someone, I would ask to stop, or at least clarify why they felt the character should act that way and point out how it comes across as derisive.

I think it's perfectly fine to explore different kinds of characters at the table.


Play what you want. Just remember that it's a single aspect of your character. It is as important as you make it. I would refrain from playing your character as a caricature. I would make that recommendation for any character you play, not just an LGBTQ character.

To be honest, I don't think I've cared about my character's LGBT status in the last 10 to 15 years, maybe longer. It just hasn't come into play. I guess almost all of my characters, and most of my friends' characters have been cis-gendered asexuals.

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