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Arakhor wrote:
None of the 200 pages are required reading, you know. :)

But they will all be on the test.


I hope not. I don't remember what I said last page, let alone 10, 50 or 100 pages ago!


Arakhor wrote:
None of the 200 pages are required reading, you know. :)

I only read the first page and the last three pages, actually. :)

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Good enough. Let us begin...

1) Who was it that started this thread and when?
2) Who is the most prolific poster on this thread?
3) What colored socks is Don Juan de Doodlebug wearing right now?

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Welcome to the thread! My name is Evie! Donations of strong women in practical armor are always open :3

How are you, Belle?


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I am doing great! I just started getting into Pathfinder because I missed playing D&D, and I've been enjoying the many threads I've been reading here.

Glad to find this thread,too.


ReckNBall wrote:

Good enough. Let us begin...

1) Who was it that started this thread and when?
2) Who is the most prolific poster on this thread?
3) What colored socks is Don Juan de Doodlebug wearing right now?

1) Dogbladewarrior Apr 14, 2012, 04:22 am

2) IDK! Could be anyone.

3) Presumably an epic color that I could not possibly do justice to.

I think.

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I've been told that reading all 198 pages of this thread is the key to nirvana.


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I HAVE read all this thread, and I have no idea what colour the gobbo's socks are...

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They're Red.


Red goes faster. Epic.

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Plus what other colour could you wear for an international proletariat socialist revolution? And it hides the inevitable bloodstains.


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*FINALLY* home from PaizoCon. Got lucky, only had a *five* hour flight delay and the flight didn't get cancelled. Dead. Beat. Crashing nao.


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Paul Watson wrote:
Plus what other colour could you wear for an international proletariat socialist revolution? And it hides the inevitable bloodstains.

Coagulated blood is dark brown. I never understood that redcap nonsense.

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Sissyl wrote:
Paul Watson wrote:
Plus what other colour could you wear for an international proletariat socialist revolution? And it hides the inevitable bloodstains.
Coagulated blood is dark brown. I never understood that redcap nonsense.

*Bows to superior experience with blood. Backs away slowly, never taking eyes off Sissyl.*


Blood is like salt - it get darker as it dries.

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Sissyl wrote:
Paul Watson wrote:
Plus what other colour could you wear for an international proletariat socialist revolution? And it hides the inevitable bloodstains.
Coagulated blood is dark brown. I never understood that redcap nonsense.

I think with Redcaps is that they're supposed to be continually soaking their caps so they stay as red and bright as they can. Letting them coagulate would probably be a mark of shame for them.

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This thread went to a weird place all of a sudden...

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... the science of blood distracted me and I forgot what thread I was in...


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SCIENCE!

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Just another reason to love this thread.


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Sissyl wrote:
Paul Watson wrote:
Plus what other colour could you wear for an international proletariat socialist revolution? And it hides the inevitable bloodstains.
Coagulated blood is dark brown. I never understood that redcap nonsense.

The magic of the caps keep it fresh as an homage to the fast healing :)

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Sissyl wrote:
Paul Watson wrote:
Plus what other colour could you wear for an international proletariat socialist revolution? And it hides the inevitable bloodstains.
Coagulated blood is dark brown. I never understood that redcap nonsense.

Marketing, and a lot of preservatives.


Cort Odekirk wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Paul Watson wrote:
Plus what other colour could you wear for an international proletariat socialist revolution? And it hides the inevitable bloodstains.
Coagulated blood is dark brown. I never understood that redcap nonsense.
Marketing, and a lot of preservatives.

I stand corrected. =)


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Cort Odekirk wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Paul Watson wrote:
Plus what other colour could you wear for an international proletariat socialist revolution? And it hides the inevitable bloodstains.
Coagulated blood is dark brown. I never understood that redcap nonsense.
Marketing, and a lot of preservatives.

Well now I'm really questioning Strawberry Shortcake's choice in headwear.


Being a former nationalist... former alt right, myself.. I absolutely can't stand the alt right. At this point in my life I will actually do a lot of volunteering to help people get out of it.

That said, most schools should allow him to speak.

Of course I'm a centrist social libertarian, so I believe that everyone should have a voice... regardless of how much I agree, or disagree. I do realize that as a non-liberal lgbt person... my opinion on this is going to be a bit unique. Though we are in agreement that the alt right is bad news.

As for him directing. He's really more of a mascot and speaker. Most alt right are virulently anti-lgbt. and since he prefers black men.. and is Jewish... well.. they'll enjoy his trolling... but will never really accept him.

As an example of how bad they can get. I met this young alt right girl on Twitter who outed herself as trans accidentally. The response was typical... threats, slurs, etc... eventually nude pictures were leaked and well.. she was forced to close her account. It happened in only 3 weeks.

There is a minority that is atypically pro-lgbt, and they seem to be growing in number, however. Millenials mostly.

As for whether or not schools can do something, it depends on the school. I know from discussing my past with my school that even full blown Nazi speech would be allowed.

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Hrothdane wrote:
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Hrothdane wrote:

A faction of the republican group at my school invited this incredibly incendiary anti-feminist, anti-LGBT speaker (Milo something). For the past month they've been putting up posters everywhere saying things like "social justice is cancer," the six-letter f-word, the t-word, attacking the Black Students' Union, and more generally insulting things to feminists. They just put up a ton more posters today.

I'm not even angry. I'm just sad to know that there are people like that in my school.

What is your school's policy on sexist, racist, and anti-LGBT harassment? Perhaps if you and some like-minded people make the case to the school admins that such speech and speakers (and posters advertising them) violate the school's own fairness standards and policies against harassment and hate speech, the Republican group and similar organizations could be required to hold such events off-campus?
Some of my friends that work at the LGBT center are gathering evidence to present the case to the administration.
You mean Milo Yiannopoulos? That guy helps direct a massive hate group! I can't believe your school would condone that!

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They're pro-white-cismale-gay. Not pro-LGBT.


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I'd argue that they aren't even as pro-white that they think they are... my general view of nationalists and alt right both. I used to help run a charity, and it was almost impossible to get "pro-white" people to donate to help white people.

Jessica Price wrote:
They're pro-white-cismale-gay. Not pro-LGBT.


Anyway, that was just my 2 cents. If anyone is ever curious about my experiences in that world... especially being a closeted pansexual.. feel free to message. I'm always willing to talk about it.

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The point is moot as the talk on campus was earlier tonight. The effect on the campus was...unpleasant, to say the least.

In theory, I'm all for people being allowed to talk and crucify themselves. But this isn't just about him and his ideas, but the kind of people he brings, and what he brings out in them. I am very involved in the LGBT community, and we feel physically unsafe. That's not right. As a trans woman who's still relatively early in her transition, I'm scared to death of getting clocked by a group of people like that. Our sisters die by the dozen every year because of hateful people.

I was going to say more, but I just don't have the energy. I am so tired of this whole mess. I'm going to bed.


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Hrothdane wrote:
I'm scared to death of getting clocked by a group of people like that.

Earlier I was looking for this thing I saw where if a cis person was willing to provide protection and safety to trans persons they could where a pin or badge or something. I first saw it when the bathroom thing was first starting. I was going to order one, but of course.. now I can't find it. I figured it would be a nice thing to have on campus.

Hrothdane wrote:
I am very involved in the LGBT community

At the moment I am not. I'm also only now at the point where I am outing myself.... in my 30s.. So, I admit I am rough around the edges. I'm always learning though. *hugs*

Btw, I didn't mean to upset anyone with my previous posts. I just figured my particular history gave me a view most don't hold. Since I have moved, and can now be open about certain subjects and worry less about threats from former associates.. I can share my thoughts on subjects I couldn't before.

I am roughh around the edges though, and always willing to listen to advice.

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hugs Hrothdane


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*joins Hrothdane and Kalindlara to form group hug*

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*joins hugpile for Hrothdane*


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*not an easily hugging sort, stays on the perimeter and watches for threats*


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*is definitely not the hugging sort, but don't mind him*

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Thank you all for the hugs!


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How the smurf am i supposed to deal with all of these shotty emotions i get stuck with? This morning i ended up looking in the mirror and just ended violently opposed to my own body as a whole, all of the flaws ive drilled into with a whole childhood of neglecting it, and i just cant figure out what i can even do about it, my arms and legs are covered in scars(not self-injury... just intentional carelessness and disrespecting my bodys injuries that it got). My face might look fine for a guy straight on, but any other angle it's obvious I'm as ugly as sin, and I doubt anything can fix that. According my therapist it's only another month and a half before I can start hormones but will they REALLY do me any good?

Hormones can have a powerful effect on your appearance, including your face. It does take time, though, and it can be tough to have to wait for the external effects to kick in. Don't expect changes overnight, or you'll be disappointed, and that will add to your stress. That's something I went through at the start of my transition.

(The internal effects on your mental and emotional well-being, on the other hand, can start very quickly.)

MusicAddict wrote:
Question looking for aomething positive of some sort, does anyone have suggestions for a workout routine to help work towards a feminine figure somewhere down the line? I also need to stop thinking broadly and think of more short term goals to meet instead of looking at an ideal and not knowing where to start...but that would mean knowing where to start.

I don't know of any specific workout routines, but I would recommend getting into the habit of regular exercise, even if that's just walking.

And looking at your diet and eating habits, make sure those are healthy. If you have a regular doctor, you might see if they can get you some nutritional guidelines.

If you do have a therapist, you might try to work with them to build a better relationship with your body, to help motivate you to take care of it - those bad habits of bodily neglect can be hard to break.

Once your body starts to heading toward its new shape, give some thought to how you're dressing it, and get advice from other women, particularly those who have a similar body type. Clothes that hang on your body well can nudge your overall look in the right direction.

And keep in mind there are a great variety of feminine body types, much wider than what the media presents to us. Don't judge yourself by those restrictive standards.

Good luck to you!

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too late for hugs?[awkwardly reinitiates hug pile]

[i look stereotypically a cisgender pro white anti-whatever guy, a big'n to boot.]
I tend to be a quietly dissenting voice, asking for references and citations to counter the echo chamber. It (the echo chamber) has slowly quieted down when I am around. Of course, other observations have been noted by those with LGBT-radar and they are trying to figure out what box to put me in... I do not feel the need to to clarify.

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Cthulhusquatch wrote:

I'd argue that they aren't even as pro-white that they think they are... my general view of nationalists and alt right both. I used to help run a charity, and it was almost impossible to get "pro-white" people to donate to help white people.

Jessica Price wrote:
They're pro-white-cismale-gay. Not pro-LGBT.

Being unwilling to help poor white people doesn't mean you're not a white supremacist any more than being unwilling to help male domestic abuse victims means you're not a misogynist.

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too late for hugs?[awkwardly reinitiates hug pile]

[i look stereotypically a cisgender pro white anti-whatever guy, a big'n to boot.]
I tend to be a quietly dissenting voice, asking for references and citations to counter the echo chamber. It (the echo chamber) has slowly quieted down when I am around. Of course, other observations have been noted by those with LGBT-radar and they are trying to figure out what box to put me in... I do not feel the need to to clarify.

I appreciate the hugs, no matter the time <3

I'm not really sure what brought on the latter half of your post here? Are you suggesting we are being an echo chamber?


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KSF wrote:
MusicAddict wrote:
How ... am i supposed to deal with all of these shotty emotions i get stuck with? This morning i ended up looking in the mirror and just ended violently opposed to my own body as a whole, all of the flaws ive drilled into with a whole childhood of neglecting it, and i just cant figure out what i can even do about it, my arms and legs are covered in scars(not self-injury... just intentional carelessness and disrespecting my bodys injuries that it got). My face might look fine for a guy straight on, but any other angle it's obvious I'm as ugly as sin, and I doubt anything can fix that. According my therapist it's only another month and a half before I can start hormones but will they REALLY do me any good?

Hormones can have a powerful effect on your appearance, including your face. It does take time, though, and it can be tough to have to wait for the external effects to kick in. Don't expect changes overnight, or you'll be disappointed, and that will add to your stress. That's something I went through at the start of my transition.

(The internal effects on your mental and emotional well-being, on the other hand, can start very quickly.)

MusicAddict wrote:
Question looking for aomething positive of some sort, does anyone have suggestions for a workout routine to help work towards a feminine figure somewhere down the line? I also need to stop thinking broadly and think of more short term goals to meet instead of looking at an ideal and not knowing where to start...but that would mean knowing where to start.

I don't know of any specific workout routines, but I would recommend getting into the habit of regular exercise, even if that's just walking.

And looking at your diet and eating habits, make sure those are healthy. If you have a regular doctor, you might see if they can get you some nutritional guidelines.

If you do have a therapist, you might try to work with them to build a better relationship with your body, to help motivate you to take care...

I would just like to add - tentatively, because I’m always nervous about offering people I don’t know quasi-advice, and don’t want inadvertently either to encourage unhappy feelings or to dismiss them - that, extremely anecdotally (speaking just from my own experience), those internal effects can be wonderful and surprising. I can’t imagine trying to quantify what hormones have done for my body, and it still more or less seems to be the same face looking back at me from the mirror, but at some point, it just started to feel … kind of all right? I’m still a snaggle-toothed young crone, but feel marginally less like a spotty adolescent, and even on bad days now, it’s more of a fleeting feeling of resignation rather than despair. That is to say, for what it’s worth, things might get a bit brighter once one’s whole body feels less like a hostile, alien thing, which hormones can definitely help with.

As for working out, I’m really the wrong person to ask, but as I understand it, one’s body is going to decide where fat goes or comes off (with hormones nudging things in particular directions), so reliably shaping a body through exercise is about working on the muscles one wants to. The catch is, for trans women, variously unpleasant steroidal things also help build and maintain muscle mass, so that’s something to bear in mind in terms of how much effort might be required once one starts hormone therapy. (I prefer to walk everywhere, but after several months on hormones, though my exercise habits hadn’t changed, the grocery store suddenly seemed rather further away to carry stuff from than I remembered it. :) Again, that’s just my experience, though.)

Also, may I just cheer enthusiastically for the idea of celebrating the diversity of body types rather than buying into Procrustean standards?


Ahh, but I was referring to the term 'pro-white' as they see it, and I saw it. To me it was about community and helping others. To them, that is what many claim... but never practice. So when I think pro-white, I literally mean helping whites.. not just using it as a tagline.

Despite an actual leadership role I had.. most times the media ever mentioned me... it wasn't usually that bad.. and was usually me calling my associates out for doing something stupid... which was all the time. I was a very divisive person. Well loved by many of my fellows, hated by just as many... mostly because I was a moderate.. that was outspoken against violence and crime.

Only rarely did anyone ever give me the supremacist tag. I was a rare breed in that movement though. I just tended to wear blinders when it came to those I associated with... and got caught up in and said a good many things myself I'm not proud of.

In talking to people in several major anti-racist groups since my heading in a new direction.. I mention usually that I don't apologize for the learning experience of being a part of that. It helped me understand what I don't want to be. But that I do regret some of the things I said.. usually when I got caught up in WN groupthink.

Trans in particular is one subject I have said some really s@~*ty things about... even if I wasn't quite as bad as most were.

Luckily I've noticed since that most trans people I've become friends with realize that I view it as past mistakes. And since I'm now far more open with my own sexuality, which is basically that to mee genitals don't matter.. and that I'd date trans, cis, non-binary, genderfluid, etc.. most of them just get curious about what drove me then, and what drives me now.

If I have any issues right now, it's that I'm almost 40.. and was in that movement since I was in my mid 20s. I'm having to learn a whole new LGBT world (I actually was openly bi before going into that movement) and do what I can to not offend people as I rejoin normal society.

I do realize this is all fairly off-topic.. so I apologize.

Jessica Price wrote:
Cthulhusquatch wrote:

I'd argue that they aren't even as pro-white that they think they are... my general view of nationalists and alt right both. I used to help run a charity, and it was almost impossible to get "pro-white" people to donate to help white people.

Jessica Price wrote:
They're pro-white-cismale-gay. Not pro-LGBT.
Being unwilling to help poor white people doesn't mean you're not a white supremacist any more than being unwilling to help male domestic abuse victims means you're not a misogynist.

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Hrothdane wrote:
ReckNBall wrote:

too late for hugs?[awkwardly reinitiates hug pile]

[i look stereotypically a cisgender pro white anti-whatever guy, a big'n to boot.]
I tend to be a quietly dissenting voice, asking for references and citations to counter the echo chamber. It (the echo chamber) has slowly quieted down when I am around. Of course, other observations have been noted by those with LGBT-radar and they are trying to figure out what box to put me in... I do not feel the need to to clarify.

I appreciate the hugs, no matter the time <3

I'm not really sure what brought on the latter half of your post here? Are you suggesting we are being an echo chamber?

Not at all, to clarify, the echo chamber is referencing certain highly opinionated folk I workwith.

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KSF wrote:
MusicAddict wrote:
How the smurf am i supposed to deal with all of these shotty emotions i get stuck with? This morning i ended up looking in the mirror and just ended violently opposed to my own body as a whole, all of the flaws ive drilled into with a whole childhood of neglecting it, and i just cant figure out what i can even do about it, my arms and legs are covered in scars(not self-injury... just intentional carelessness and disrespecting my bodys injuries that it got). My face might look fine for a guy straight on, but any other angle it's obvious I'm as ugly as sin, and I doubt anything can fix that. According my therapist it's only another month and a half before I can start hormones but will they REALLY do me any good?

Hormones can have a powerful effect on your appearance, including your face. It does take time, though, and it can be tough to have to wait for the external effects to kick in. Don't expect changes overnight, or you'll be disappointed, and that will add to your stress. That's something I went through at the start of my transition.

(The internal effects on your mental and emotional well-being, on the other hand, can start very quickly.)

Hormones are amazing, and not just for the physical transformation. The mental relief is amazing, and makes everything else in your life easier to deal with (after an adjustment period), and often the physical issues will feel a lot less urgent and important as your mind starts to work as intended rather than desperately trying to cobble together a functioning emotional landscape out of testosterone.

KSF wrote:
MusicAddict wrote:
Question looking for aomething positive of some sort, does anyone have suggestions for a workout routine to help work towards a feminine figure somewhere down the line? I also need to stop thinking broadly and think of more short term goals to meet instead of looking at an ideal and not knowing where to start...but that would mean knowing where to start.
I don't know of any specific workout routines, but I would recommend getting into the habit of regular exercise, even if that's just walking.

Walking is probably the best place to start, especially if you can keep a brisk pace to keep your heartrate up. A little bit of strength training also helps, surprisingly enough, especially if you focus on your lower body and core. You're looking for tone more than definition (that is, healthy and durable muscles rather than large muscles), which will improve your general grace, so you want to focus on low weight and high reps. I do step exercises with 5-pound hand weights and that seems to be helping me tone my arms. I also just started pilates, which hurts like hell but does miracles to tone your core and develop your hips.

A lot of transitioning is just putting one baby step into your life at a time, and before you realize it, you've crossed a huge distance. Focus on those small goals for now.

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Sissyl wrote:


Coagulated blood is dark brown. I never understood that redcap nonsense.

They manage to magically prevent agglutination of the serum fraction (try taking fresh blood and salting it/acidulating it). ;)


Most of my socks are black. I'm not a very exciting dresser.


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Are they black o begin with, or do you just ear them constantly?

Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:
Most of my socks are black. I'm not a very exciting dresser.


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The former.


Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:
The former.

Glad you discerned that. I missed the typos.

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