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I am still trying to figure out who I am. I'm not comfortable coming out even to people I am sure will be supportive. I study my friends for months or years before I come out to them. I do the same with family. I feel safe here because it's mostly anonymous.


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I am beyond frustrated with one of my cousins. He thinks he's being supportive of the LGBT community because he is hyper focused on the economy and personal wealth. He tries to convince me that things like bathroom bills and religious freedom laws are distractions created by Obama. He doesn't think that these laws are very harmful so long as the economy improves. I can't seem to get him to understand that for the LGBT community if you are not permitted to be part of the economy and that your tax rate doesn't mean much if you can't have a job or home simply because of who you are.

The most frustrating part of this is that he knows that I'm bi and gender fluid but still refuses to listen. He also doesn't understand how a religious based law can have impact on anyone not of that faith. I'm only bringing that up to help people understand his thought process and I want to avoid turning this into a religious debate.


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Bob_Loblaw wrote:

I am beyond frustrated with one of my cousins. He thinks he's being supportive of the LGBT community because he is hyper focused on the economy and personal wealth. He tries to convince me that things like bathroom bills and religious freedom laws are distractions created by Obama. He doesn't think that these laws are very harmful so long as the economy improves. I can't seem to get him to understand that for the LGBT community if you are not permitted to be part of the economy and that your tax rate doesn't mean much if you can't have a job or home simply because of who you are.

The most frustrating part of this is that he knows that I'm bi and gender fluid but still refuses to listen. He also doesn't understand how a religious based law can have impact on anyone not of that faith. I'm only bringing that up to help people understand his thought process and I want to avoid turning this into a religious debate.

Even nastier, since there are a whole bunch of other more economic bits of ugliness in many of those bills. North Carolina's HB2 also contains a provision preventing cities and towns from establishing higher minimum wages, for example. Some suggest that the bathroom part is just to draw fire and attention away from the "business-friendly" parts. Let the liberals claim a big victory shooting that down and let the conservative bosses get what they really want.

I'm sure your cousin would approve.

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Not for the first time, I wish I lived somewhere that wasn't so homophobic.

I can't even just flirt with a cute guy customer at work (who I have a feeling is both queer and interested in me), no no no, I have to figure out some way to give him my number by Sleight of Hand* because expressing my interest openly would have major social repercussions.

Especially considering as I work in a popular fast food restaurant, and hence am somewhat more visible than most people. Also, I live in a place that's small enough that such a thing would most certainly NOT stay quiet, and would probably lead to an absolute shitstorm.

UGH

*my attempt at keeping this post Paizo-relevant, folks.


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TerminalArtiste wrote:

Not for the first time, I wish I lived somewhere that wasn't so homophobic.

I can't even just flirt with a cute guy customer at work (who I have a feeling is both queer and interested in me), no no no, I have to figure out some way to give him my number by Sleight of Hand* because expressing my interest openly would have major social repercussions.

Especially considering as I work in a popular fast food restaurant, and hence am somewhat more visible than most people. Also, I live in a place that's small enough that such a thing would most certainly NOT stay quiet, and would probably lead to an absolute s@~$storm.

UGH

*my attempt at keeping this post Paizo-relevant, folks.

You could just see what interests he has and just ask to hang out. That's something friends do anyway so it shouldn't be an issue. You can then follow up with things the way you find most safe.


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A friend of mine shared this article on Facebook and I think it's a great thing. This pastor has decided that he wants to learn more about transgender people. He seeks out experts for information rather than strangers on the street who also don't know anything.


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Bob_Loblaw wrote:


You could just see what interests he has and just ask to hang out. That's something friends do anyway so it shouldn't be an issue. You can then follow up with things the way you find most safe.

Well I've made a degree of progress on that, it seems he goes to the local medical university (I'm 99% sure I saw an ID card in his wallet, but it was upside down to me?). So there's that*.

But I had the perfect (and I do mean PERFECT) opportunity earlier tonight, there was no one else in the restaurant but my coworker, who was busy and not paying attention to me as I cashed him out. And then someone walked in, I spaced out a little, and by the time I mentally prepared myself to do it again he was gone with just a "Good night."

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH CURSE MY SLOW REACTION SPEED

*EDIT: this is significant because I am also interested in healthcare as a career. So shared professional interests exist, at least. Assuming I saw right.


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TerminalArtiste wrote:
Bob_Loblaw wrote:


You could just see what interests he has and just ask to hang out. That's something friends do anyway so it shouldn't be an issue. You can then follow up with things the way you find most safe.

Well I've made a degree of progress on that, it seems he goes to the local medical university (I'm 99% sure I saw an ID card in his wallet, but it was upside down to me?). So there's that*.

But I had the perfect (and I do mean PERFECT) opportunity earlier tonight, there was no one else in the restaurant but my coworker, who was busy and not paying attention to me as I cashed him out. And then someone walked in, I spaced out a little, and by the time I mentally prepared myself to do it again he was gone with just a "Good night."

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH CURSE MY SLOW REACTION SPEED

*EDIT: this is significant because I am also interested in healthcare as a career. So shared professional interests exist, at least. Assuming I saw right.

Good luck. I hope you don't need it though.


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Bob_Loblaw wrote:


Good luck. I hope you don't need it though.

Well it'll be at most a week before I see him again, I think. Hopefully next time goes better.

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Good luck, TerminalArtiste. ^_^


TerminalArtiste wrote:
Bob_Loblaw wrote:


You could just see what interests he has and just ask to hang out. That's something friends do anyway so it shouldn't be an issue. You can then follow up with things the way you find most safe.

Well I've made a degree of progress on that, it seems he goes to the local medical university (I'm 99% sure I saw an ID card in his wallet, but it was upside down to me?). So there's that*.

But I had the perfect (and I do mean PERFECT) opportunity earlier tonight, there was no one else in the restaurant but my coworker, who was busy and not paying attention to me as I cashed him out. And then someone walked in, I spaced out a little, and by the time I mentally prepared myself to do it again he was gone with just a "Good night."

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH CURSE MY SLOW REACTION SPEED

*EDIT: this is significant because I am also interested in healthcare as a career. So shared professional interests exist, at least. Assuming I saw right.

well send a wingman to your location!


Congressman Mocks The GOP’s ‘Great American Bathroom Controversy’ A Democrat Representative from Florida, Alan Grayson, discussing the stupidity of the law from the floor of Congress.


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My anxiety is peeking today. Driving me crazy. I am cisgendered married gay man. But all these anti transgender bathroom bills filling my newsfeed on facebook is killing me. Coming from people who should know better. Yes I know I should unfriend/block these people, but if I don't make a stand and have these conversations with people who will? I mean I see some gay friends sitting back and not standing up for the trans community while the focus isn't on us for a change. *Sigh* It makes me sad and frustrated. There is no difference between me and my husband and my transgendered friend (Dan) *name changed for safety* and his husband, and my friend Lisa and her husband. No difference whatsoever you attack one you attack all. UGhhhhhhhI need to take a beta blocker today just to have these conversations that need to be had.


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I was recently perusing KS, and saw a game that piqued my interest, Chronicles of Elyria. It seemed like they pulled all of my best ideas straight out of my brain, mixed them with pure joy, then distilled it. Then I noticed that there was going to be systems to support same-sex marriage and adoption in game.

And there was much squeeing that was had.


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Freehold DM wrote:
TerminalArtiste wrote:
Bob_Loblaw wrote:


You could just see what interests he has and just ask to hang out. That's something friends do anyway so it shouldn't be an issue. You can then follow up with things the way you find most safe.

Well I've made a degree of progress on that, it seems he goes to the local medical university (I'm 99% sure I saw an ID card in his wallet, but it was upside down to me?). So there's that*.

But I had the perfect (and I do mean PERFECT) opportunity earlier tonight, there was no one else in the restaurant but my coworker, who was busy and not paying attention to me as I cashed him out. And then someone walked in, I spaced out a little, and by the time I mentally prepared myself to do it again he was gone with just a "Good night."

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH CURSE MY SLOW REACTION SPEED

*EDIT: this is significant because I am also interested in healthcare as a career. So shared professional interests exist, at least. Assuming I saw right.

well send a wingman to your location!

BucKAWK!*

*You called?


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Ultimate Wingperson wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
TerminalArtiste wrote:
Bob_Loblaw wrote:


You could just see what interests he has and just ask to hang out. That's something friends do anyway so it shouldn't be an issue. You can then follow up with things the way you find most safe.

Well I've made a degree of progress on that, it seems he goes to the local medical university (I'm 99% sure I saw an ID card in his wallet, but it was upside down to me?). So there's that*.

But I had the perfect (and I do mean PERFECT) opportunity earlier tonight, there was no one else in the restaurant but my coworker, who was busy and not paying attention to me as I cashed him out. And then someone walked in, I spaced out a little, and by the time I mentally prepared myself to do it again he was gone with just a "Good night."

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH CURSE MY SLOW REACTION SPEED

*EDIT: this is significant because I am also interested in healthcare as a career. So shared professional interests exist, at least. Assuming I saw right.

well send a wingman to your location!

BucKAWK!*

*You called?

TerminalArtiste needs your help!


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How do you convince friends and family that memes advocating violence against anyone in the LGBT community, especially the ones passed off as jokes, are dangerous? Not only are they not funny, they are often degrading. There are people who actually think that it's okay to hurt those who are different. I'm really struggling with this. It's why I'm afraid to be myself. I don't want to get into a confrontation that will end with someone in a hospital. Especially if that person is me.


Can you give us an example, maybe in a spoiler for difficult subject matter? I can't really think of how someone would advocate violence as a joke.


I'm on my phone so I hope this posts correctly.

https://cybersupportgroup.org/2016/04/

Several people have tried to argue that this is funny. Those exact same people also have continuously tried to argue that transgender people are dangerous. This is only one of several memes I've been seeing.

I want to say that I think people should protect their children from predators. Just because someone is dressed a certain way does not mean they are out to cause harm.

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Ick. >_<


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If someone is a predator of children or women or whomever, they aren't going to let the sign on the door of a changing room or bathroom magically stop them from harming. Predators posing as trans people was/is thoroughly debunked bullsh!t, but many media outlets run with the fear/uncertainty/doubt to get ratings. People like those at the Liberty Counsel (the same group who backed Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis) are making an organized national effort to spread the fear, hate, and violence against trans people. More info on the Liberty Counsel is available in their write-up by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Bob_Loblaw wrote:
Several people have tried to argue that this is funny. Those exact same people also have continuously tried to argue that transgender people are dangerous. This is only one of several memes I've been seeing.

These same arguments have been used before to try and argue that non-whites were somehow inherently dangerous to white women and children. It was hateful Othering bullsh!t then, and it's hateful Othering bullsh!t now. I'm sure it seems scary to white cis hetero people to feel like they are somehow "losing" their "rights" (aka their free born-into advantages), but equality for all people is not a zero-sum game.

Perhaps, Bob, you should pose the question to them:

Me wrote:
You might think this is funny now. Is it funny when politicians and media talking heads spread this bullsh!t and fan the hate against innocent people, whose only 'crime' is appearing to be a little different? Is it funny that violence is on the rise for people perceived as ethnically Middle Eastern or 'Muslim-looking'? Is it funny that violence is on the rise for people who are perceived as trans and those perceived as 'outside' the beholder's expectations? What happens when your innocent sister, brother, aunt, uncle, daughter, or son is physically attacked because some stranger incorrectly perceived them as a threat? An attacker that has been fed a stream of these 'jokes', misrepresentations, and blatant lies, and believes their violence is justified, excused, and acceptable? Is it still funny then? How many innocents have to be harassed, threatened, beaten up, fired from a job, kicked out of their home, or murdered before the 'joke' stops being funny? How many?

Edit: Tried to edit it down into something comprehensible, but this bullsh!t really mashes my buttons and enrages me.


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Growing up, despite being from a 'white' family and 'white' heritage going back generations, I tanned *really well*.

People would call me by various racial slurs (or worse).

It was a very formative life experience, despite being 'white'.

I don't tan like that any more, but the memories remain.


So the dude didn't show up at all.

Kind of bummed, especially cause I worked myself up to asking him to hang out.

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*offers hugs*


TerminalArtiste wrote:

So the dude didn't show up at all.

Kind of bummed, especially cause I worked myself up to asking him to hang out.

damn. I'm sorry.

Have you considered missed connections on Craigslist? That works sometimes.


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Freehold DM wrote:
TerminalArtiste wrote:

So the dude didn't show up at all.

Kind of bummed, especially cause I worked myself up to asking him to hang out.

damn. I'm sorry.

Have you considered missed connections on Craigslist? That works sometimes.

There is apparently no Craigslist for my country.

>:[

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*offers hugs*

*delicately avoids pointy oufit, horns, wings, and chained demon to accept hug*

(Talking about your avatar, just to be clear)

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Lol kinda figured ^w^

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I'm just so exhausted today.

A faction of the republican group at my school invited this incredibly incendiary anti-feminist, anti-LGBT speaker (Milo something). For the past month they've been putting up posters everywhere saying things like "social justice is cancer," the six-letter f-word, the t-word, attacking the Black Students' Union, and more generally insulting things to feminists. They just put up a ton more posters today.

I'm not even angry. I'm just sad to know that there are people like that in my school.


What I don't understand is why they can't see it as hatred and why it's wrong.

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~☆~ looks like it's time to tear down some posters ~☆~

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Don't tear down the posters. You'll get caught and then you're the bad guy.

It is sad, but not surprising. There is a lot more ignorance and hate in this country than we like to admit. We've shunned and shamed people into behaving for years; but with the last 7.5 years of blatant bigotry against the current President and the unexpected rise of Trump as a political candidate based on a platform of victim blaming and racism the hateful feel emboldened to at last speak out.

While the rise of the Internet has allowed groups like us to realize we are not alone in the world; it has done the same thing for the haters and bigots. The haters are no longer ashamed of their hate; the bigots are no longer ashamed of their bigotry; and they realize that they are not alone in the world. And now they have a openly racist popular leader to follow. In many ways it is terrifying.

That makes me depressed at times.

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I resisted the temptation. I'm not going to play into their victim complex. I take comfort in knowing that the bigots are getting loud because we are making progress.

On the plus side, some people I know are organizing a pro-LGBT, feminist, pro-social justice event at the same time as the event elsewhere on campus.

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I think the hateful right warrants a much stronger response, but that's me.


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Hrothdane wrote:

I resisted the temptation. I'm not going to play into their victim complex. I take comfort in knowing that the bigots are getting loud because we are making progress.

On the plus side, some people I know are organizing a pro-LGBT, feminist, pro-social justice event at the same time as the event elsewhere on campus.

Exactly. They're louder and more desperate because they're losing. This is backlash, not triumph. Organizing a counter event is probably the best response.

At least when it comes to LGBT rights. Feminist issues are less clear cut and racism is another thing entirely.


Don't play into their hate. They will use it as justification for their actions. They will say that you hate them because they are Christian, completely ignoring the fact that you probably have a lot of Christian friends. They are doing the same thing as the Westboro Baptist Church. Don't play their game. You can't win that way.

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