What about the Negotiator Bard?
I would say the Dragon Herald trumps it; at level 5 you get auto take 10 on diplomacy and intimidate, but more importantly you get the 1/day (maxing at 3/day) ability to make such a check as a full round action instead of taking a minute. Yay, up to three combats you can essentially auto-win with a high enough skill roll!
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Forget Silver Tongued, Diabolical Negotiator is where it's at. You can use Int or Wis instead of Cha and you only drop their attitude if you fail by 5 or more on a natural 1, AND most importantly, there is no limit to how many steps up you go!
Called it. I knew there was something out there.
Pardon my rant, I'm a little sore from a long debate with other players at a diplomacy issue we had today
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Here's what I'm confused about. Yes it's fun to see how high you can get your numbers, but let's be honest...why? A character who's level 20 shouldn't be fighting something more than 6 levels above itself without seriously looking into your Game mastering, so at level 20, a monster who's hostile to yourself is going to have a DC of 25 + Cha (which at level 26 shouldn't be higher than what, a +26 bonus?) giving a final DC of 51? So why do you need a +101 diplomacy? Are you asking the CR 26 monster to kill itself (DC 66) and then destroy it's own soul (DC 71)? And hunt down the last of it's kind? (which might increase the DC by another 5 or it might not so we'll say it does). And destroy any chance of giving it a chance to come back (DC 81). And whatever other 4 requests you wish to ask of it without having to roll?
At some point numbers don't even matter anymore (A first level commoner doesn't care how much strength you have, a critical from a scythe is still fatal.
But that's just my .02
Of course If you give me some viable reason why you need to have diplomacy at =>100, I'll be happy to delete these programmers comments ^_^
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Pardon my rant, I'm a little sore from a long debate with other players at a diplomacy issue we had today
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Here's what I'm confused about. Yes it's fun to see how high you can get your numbers, but let's be honest...why?
Yes it's fun
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How much does a +1d6 help? Inspiration ability of the Investigator.
also 2 lvls of Psychic Searcher ( http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/oracle/archetypes/paizo---orac le-archetypes/psychic-searcher) can do that all day long.
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Has anyone mentioned the stone of good luck or the pale green prism ioun stone?
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For maximum cheese, you should go through the bard's versatile performance ability and "summon Bollywood."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_RPG/comments/3c33k 2/summon_bollywood/
People need to get in the habit of not only listing the bonuses and their sources, but their bonus types as well. Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the combos in this thread didn't quite "stack up."
Compiling everything is hard... I may try when I have 6 hours
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I don't know if this was mentioned already, but I recommend the Street Performer Bard for Diplomancer builds.
Gladhanding lets you Diplomance as a Standard action instead of 1 minute. Is there another way to reduce the time besides Street Performer?
As a standard action, he may use a Bluff check in place of a Diplomacy check to improve a creature’s attitude for 1 minute, after which its attitude becomes one step worse than originally.
We kind of want the change to last more than a minute.
Dot!
Has anyone mentioned the stone of good luck or the pale green prism ioun stone?
Luckstone has been added. Pale green prism pales in comparison to the Mulberry pentacle
has anyone added a dip into synthesist for a +8 racial bonus to diplomacy?
Yes, it may be worth it, it may not.
Fates favoured.
At the heart of it all.
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Level 20 Nature Oracle abusing Awaken Animal loops to gain infinite (read: arbitrary) CHA, and infinite (read: arbitrary) HD, which also yields infinite (read: arbitrary) skill ranks into Diplomacy.
Do I win?
No, you don't win.
With Aspect(LLV 10 summoner) you could grab Skilled for a +8.
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CHARISMA BONUSES
Point buy: 18 (?)
Aasimaar: +2 (Racial)
Headband of Mental Prowess (Wisdom, Charisma): +6 (Enhancement) (36,000)
Tome of leadership and Influence: +5 (Inherent) (137,500)
Middle Age: +1 to all mental
Level up: +5 (?)
+2 profane from succubi
Feats
Persuasive: +4 (?)
Skill focus: +6 (?)
Voice of the Sybil: +3 (?)
Racial heritage (Kobold): Allows for others
Diabolical Negotiator: Can increase more than 2 steps. Only decreases on a Nat 1
Leadership: ?
Equipment
Masterwork Tool: +2 (Circumstance) (50)
Mulberry Pentacle: +5 (Competence) (10,000)
Circlet of Persuasion: +3 (Competence) (4,500)
Stone of good luck: +1 (Luck) (20,000)
Traits
Ambassador of Sarenrae: +2 (Trait)
Golden Scaled: +2 vs. non reptilian humanoids (?)
Class (Bard (Dragon herald) 17, Inquisitor (Infiltrator) 1, Summoner (Synthesist) 1)
Class skill: +3 (?)
20 ranks Diplomacy: +20 (?)
Bard (Dragon herald) (Dragon voice): +8 (?)
Inquisitor (Infiltrator) (Guileful Lore): +wis (?)
Wizard (Enchantment school) (Enchanting smile): +2 (Enhancement)
Wizard (Enchantment school) (Familiar): +3 (?)
Summoner (Synthesist) (Skilled Evolution): +8 (Racial)
Bard (Dragon herald) (Master of persuasion): can use diplomacy 3/day As a full round action
Race
Scion of humanity: Allows for Racial heritage
Immortal Spark: Lesser age resistance 1/day
Spellls
Heroism, Greater: +4 (Morale)
Moment of greatness: *2 one morale bonus
+20 insight moment of prescience
Notes
Infiltrator Archetype and the conversion inquisition don’t stack
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Natural Divination, a revelation that nature oracles can get, has the option of giving a +10 competence bonus to one skill check.
Encouraging Spell is a metamagic feat which increases any morale bonus of a spell by 1.
Tactical Leader inquisitors get half their level as a morale bonus to diplomacy.
Savage Technologist barbarians get half their level as an untyped bonus to diplomacy by spending 2 rounds of rage (without actually raging) from level 3. They also get to add their Str bonus, but only with 'tribal cultures'. These last two would require more of a redesign than would be easy tho'.
For whatever reason you've taken only 19 levels. If you get one level as a nature oracle you can take that revelation for the +10 competence bonus. Competence bonuses don't stack BTW. A metamagic rod of encouraging spell (or encouraging spell, 2 other metamagic feats & spell perfection) puts greater heroism's bonus up to +5, which moment of greatness doubles to +10.
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"Hey abadar, can I get the key to the first vault?"
"Sure!"
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+163. Your inspire competence does not affect yourself + Cyclops helm
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Hey, Pharasma, will you tell me what happened to Aroden?
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Sorry, missed shadow hard.
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CHARISMA BONUSES (Total: +13)
Point buy: 17 (?)
Aasimaar: +2 (Racial)
Headband of Mental Prowess (Wisdom, Charisma): +6 (Enhancement) (36,000)
Tome of leadership and Influence: +5 (Inherent) (137,500)
Middle Age: +1 to all mental
Level up: +5 (?)
+2 profane from succubi
Feats
Persuasive: +4 (?)
Skill focus: +6 (?)
Voice of the Sybil: +3 (?)
Racial heritage (Kobold): Allows for others
Diabolical Negotiator: Can increase more than 2 steps. Only decreases on a Nat 1
Leadership: See below
Additional traits: +2 traits
Equipment
Masterwork Tool: +2 (Circumstance) (50)
Stone of good luck: +1 (Luck) (20,000)
Rod of encouraging spell: +1 morale bonus to a spell (
Moon dew: +1 CL to divination spells
Ring of Terrible cost: +5 (Profane)
Traits
Ambassador of Sarenrae: +2 (Trait)
Golden Scaled: +2 vs. non reptilian humanoids (?)
Fates Favoured: +1 to current luck bonuses
Class (Bard (Dragon herald) 15, Inquisitor (Infiltrator) 1, Summoner (Synthesist) 1, Wizard (Enchantment Specialist) 1, Oracle (Nature) 1, Vigilante (?) 1)
Class skill: +3 (?)
20 ranks Diplomacy: +20 (?)
Bard (Dragon herald) (Dragon voice): +8 (?)
Inquisitor (Infiltrator) (Guileful Lore): +wis (?)
Wizard (Enchantment school) (Enchanting smile): +2 (Enhancement)
Wizard (Enchantment school) (Familiar): +3 (?)
Summoner (Synthesist) (Skilled Evolution): +8 (Racial)
Bard (Dragon herald) (Master of persuasion): can use diplomacy 2/day As a full round action
Oracle (Nature Mystery) (Natural Divination): +10 (Competence)
Vigilante (?) (Social graces): +4 (Circumstance)
Race
Scion of humanity: Allows for Racial heritage
Immortal Spark: Lesser age resistance 1/day
Spellls
Heroism, Greater: +4 (Morale)
Moment of greatness: *2 one morale bonus
Moment of prescience: +20 (Insight)
--Harrowing: +1 or +2 (Luck) N/A
Leadership
Evangelist cleric halflings similar build and glory domain. +18 (?)
Aid Another: +4 (Halfling) (?)
Wisom (Total: +9)
Point buy: 16
Aasimaar: +2 (Racial)
Headband of Mental Prowess (Wisdom, Charisma): +6 (Enhancement) (Already paid)
Tome of ? and ?: +5 (Inherent) (137,500)
Middle Age: +1 to all mental
Notes
Infiltrator Archetype and the conversion inquisition don’t stack
Inspire competence gives a Competence bonus
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Can you explain what basic harmony with the Evangelist means?
Also wishes can only go up to +5. Calculator says (including the helm) +188
Here's what I got.
Bard. Argent voice.
20 ranks perform sing.
20 ranks all other kinds of perform (9 others)
9 x4 36
20 start + 6 headband + wish 5 +5 stat 3 venerable = 39 (+14)
Skill focus sing + 6
Greater heroism +4 x2 moment of greatness 8
Songbird throat lozenges 2 alchemical
Masterwork tool 2 circ
Shadow bard spell inspire competence 6
Class skill 3
Trait Savant (sing) 2 trait
Trait Fates Favoured + harrowing = +3 luck
Race aasimar muse touched 2 racial
Scroll of moment of prescience CL20 +20 insight
Blade of 3 fancies +4 sacred
Cyclops head gear nat 20
Encouraging spell rod +2 more morale
Leadership evangelist cleric halflings similar build and glory domain. +18
Basic harmony with evangelist +20 (rough estimate based on the bonus character would get.) (Included halfling aid another)
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So your followers get a basic harmony with the evangelist who then gets harmony with you? Wouldn't it be simpler for them to get harmony with you?
A level 1 follower can't fail (Take 10) supplying at least a +3 (+5 perform should be easy to manage)
I will do the maths later, but I'm sure you can easily get more than +20.
Your build was better (it was easier to add to perform than Diplomacy) but if you multiclass like I did you can get far higher bonuses.
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CHARISMA BONUSES (Total: +13)
Point buy: 17 (?)
Aasimaar: +2 (Racial)
Headband of Mental Prowess (Wisdom, Charisma): +6 (Enhancement) (36,000)
Tome of leadership and Influence: +5 (Inherent) (137,500)
Middle Age: +1 to all mental
Level up: +5 (?)
+2 profane from succubi
Feats
Prodigy: +4
Skill focus: +6 (?)
Diabolical Negotiator: Can increase more than 2 steps. Only decreases on a Nat 1
Leadership: Score: 20+13
Additional traits: +2 traits
Basic Harmony: You'll see
Eldritch heritage (Arcane): Familiar!!!
Equipment
Masterwork Tool: +2 (Circumstance) (50)
Stone of good luck: +1 (Luck) (20,000)
Rod of encouraging spell: +1 morale bonus to a spell (
Moon dew (2): +1 CL to divination spells (?)
Ring of Terrible cost: +5 (Profane)
Blade of three fancies: +4 (Sacred)
Songbird throat lozenges: +2 (Alchemical)
Ring of the ?: Double followers
Suzerain Scepter: Double + Double= Triple followers
Traits
Savant: +2 (Trait)
Fates Favoured: +1 to current luck bonuses
Class (Bard (Argent voice) 18, Summoner (Synthesist) 1, Oracle (Nature) 1)
Class skill: +3 (?)
20 ranks Diplomacy: +20 (?)
Wizard (Enchantment school) (Familiar): +3 (?)
Summoner (Synthesist) (Skilled Evolution): +8 (Racial)
Bard (Argent Voice) (?): 9*4=36
Oracle (Nature Mystery) (Natural Divination): +10 (Competence)
Versatile performance: Can use perform for diplomacy
Race
Immortal Spark: Lesser age resistance 1/day
Spellls
Heroism, Greater: +4 (Morale)
Moment of greatness: *2 one morale bonus
Moment of prescience: +20 (Insight)
Glimpse of the Akashic: +20 (Circumstance)
--Harrowing: +1 or +2 (Luck) N/A
Leadership
Evangelist cleric halflings similar build and glory domain. +18 (?)
L.1-405, L.2-39, L.3-21, L.4-12, L.5-6, L.6-6
^In the process of converting to a perform (Sing) user
Multiclassed amalgamtions are better than a single classed bard (for the simple reason that with only 18 levels I can gain your buffs, meaning I have 2 levels to play around with)
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If you're already grabbing a Succubus bonus, I recommend a Lilitu instead, since that's a +4 instead of a +2.
No harmony assumed
Hey goblin. *talks for 1 minute*. Would you please throw yourself off a cliff?
"Sure"