An armored kilt is light armor (granting a +1 armor bonus) in its own right, but it can be added to other light and medium armors to up their armor bonus by +1.
A +5 breastplate grants a +11 armor bonus to its wearer. A +5 armored kilt grants a +6 armor bonus to its wearer. If someone were to wear a +5 breastplate with a +5 armored kilt, would the breastplate's armor bonus increase by +1, or +6?
Also, adding an armored kilt to a light or medium armor increases its category by one step (light becomes medium, medium becomes heavy). You do not gain any benefits whatsoever from applying an armored kilt to heavy armor.
Mithral armor is considered one category lighter than normal for all purposes but proficiency. Does that mean I can apply an armroed kilt to mithral breastplate, thereby gaining the benefits of both the plate and the kilt (and now once again treating the set as heavy armor)? What if the armored kilt is ALSO mithral? Would that mean that my mithral full plate would still be considered medium armor in most respects since the entire set is so light and mithral'ly?
Aacchhh! No true Scotsman would EVER wear anything under a kilt!
I think you could only have one enhancement bonus to armor at a time. I don't know where armored kilt is from, but I would think that it just wouldn't work with heavy armor, no matter what it is made of.
An armored kilt is added to the armor as a part of the armor. After that point it doesn't exist as it's own armor... In truth you don't have "armored kilt" and "Breastplate" you have "Breastplate with armored kilt"
So you won't equip a "armored kilt +5" and "Breatplate +5" you'll equip a "Breastplate with armored kilt +5" which is heavy armor.
If you used mithril it would become "Mithral Breastplate with armored kilt +5" and count as medium armor.
The combination would give a +12 to Ac as an armor and armor enhancement bonus (6 from the breastplate 1 from the armored kilt which raised the breasplate's AC bonus really, and 5 from the magic enhancement).
Just consider the "Armor with armored kilt" as another entry on the armor line that the designers didn't want to include.
There was a thread about 4~6 months back about this same subject... I think if you search "Enhanced armored kilt" or "Magical Armored Kilt" or "How armored kilts work" you should get something.
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The armored kilt was originally in the Pathfinder campaign setting, which is 3.5. It recently appeared in the Adventurer's Armory in updated Pathfinder form, along with many other items from the campaign setting.
According to the Adventurer's Armory, which just came out and sold out except for PDF,(which I don't know if it is official), an armored kilt cannot be added to heavy armor. It, by itself is light armor. It makes light armor considered medium and medium considered heavy.
I don't have the Adventurer's Armory, but in the Qadira Companion (which is PRPG) the kilt is a NATURAL ARMOR bonus (said kilt also has a great special ability). I was under the impression this was how the PRPG approach was going to be, but I guess not...? (That was like the very first PRPG Companion product, written before the rules were solid, and certainly before the AA)
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Mithral armor is considered one category lighter than normal for all purposes but proficiency. Does that mean I can apply an armroed kilt to mithral breastplate, thereby gaining the benefits of both the plate and the kilt (and now once again treating the set as heavy armor)? What if the armored kilt is ALSO mithral? Would that mean that my mithral full plate would still be considered medium armor in most respects since the entire set is so light and mithral'ly?
I personally do not think it could be used on full plate, even if it is mithril. It specifically states that it has no effect on heavy armor and with mitril plate, you still need heavy armor prof to use so it's not changing its type, just how it acts on the wearer.
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I don't have the Adventurer's Armory, but in the Qadira Companion (which is PRPG) the kilt is a NATURAL ARMOR bonus (said kilt also has a great special ability). I was under the impression this was how the PRPG approach was going to be, but I guess not...? (That was like the very first PRPG Companion product, written before the rules were solid, and certainly before the AA)
That is a magic item in that book called War-Kilt of Sarenrae. The Armored Kilt is from the campaign setting book.
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I personally do not think it could be used on full plate, even if it is mithril. It specifically states that it has no effect on heavy armor and with mitril plate, you still need heavy armor prof to use so it's not changing its type, just how it acts on the wearer.Mithral armor is considered one category lighter than normal for all purposes but proficiency. Does that mean I can apply an armroed kilt to mithral breastplate, thereby gaining the benefits of both the plate and the kilt (and now once again treating the set as heavy armor)? What if the armored kilt is ALSO mithral? Would that mean that my mithral full plate would still be considered medium armor in most respects since the entire set is so light and mithral'ly?
According to the description of Mithral the only thing about Mithral Full Plate that would count as heavy armor is the proficiency required. Thus I would think you could in fact keep your Barbarian's Fast Movement, your Ranger's Combat Style feats, or attach the kilt.
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According to the description of Mithral the only thing about Mithral Full Plate that would count as heavy armor is the proficiency required. Thus I would think you could in fact keep your Barbarian's Fast Movement, your Ranger's Combat Style feats, or attach the kilt.I personally do not think it could be used on full plate, even if it is mithril. It specifically states that it has no effect on heavy armor and with mitril plate, you still need heavy armor prof to use so it's not changing its type, just how it acts on the wearer.Mithral armor is considered one category lighter than normal for all purposes but proficiency. Does that mean I can apply an armroed kilt to mithral breastplate, thereby gaining the benefits of both the plate and the kilt (and now once again treating the set as heavy armor)? What if the armored kilt is ALSO mithral? Would that mean that my mithral full plate would still be considered medium armor in most respects since the entire set is so light and mithral'ly?
Agreed.
I personally do not think it could be used on full plate, even if it is mithril. It specifically states that it has no effect on heavy armor and with mitril plate, you still need heavy armor prof to use so it's not changing its type, just how it acts on the wearer.
Yes...I meant to say fullplate, not breastplate. :P
The +5 enhancement bonuses do not stack. same type. It only states the armor bonus increases by 1 and max dex goes down by 1. So you would only net a +1 Armor
So a +5 armored kilt would be practically useless unless you were wearing it by itself as light armor?
I was hoping the +5 enhancement bonus would also enhance its ability to upgrade other armors. If so, a person could wear +5 mithral full plate for +14, a +5 armored kilt for an additional +6, and wield a +5 heavy shield for an additional +7. That would be +27 to AC from equipment alone (though good luck finding all that on your adventures!).
At the levels that such gear would be available, it seemed appropriate considering the attacks and AC seen in a lot of level appropriate monster a tank fighter might encounter.
Alas, that does not seem to be the case.
I do not see attaching the kilt to mithral "heavy" armor as working, but sounds like a DM decision.
What is quite interesting is having a +5 Kilt, that you move between other armors as you get them (like a +1 Shadow chain shirt, then to a +1 medium fortification mithral breastplate, etc.)
Related question: Armored Quilt and Bracers of Armor...would you allow it?
No.
Bracers of armor and ordinary armor do not stack. If a creature receives a larger armor bonus from another source, the bracers of armor cease functioning and do not grant their armor bonus or their armor special abilities. If the bracers of armor grant a larger armor bonus, the other source of armor ceases functioning.
Related question: Armored Quilt and Bracers of Armor...would you allow it?
quite likely .... just for the cool look of it, honestly. Light Armor = not a big deal. Comboing for a dude who's concept is bracers + kilt and nothing else == pretty awesome!
By the rules I would not... as a special case like you are mentioning in a homebrew game I probably would.
Now I just want to forget... >.<
"Gronak intimidate puny horsemen who say Gronak filthy barbarian. Gronak wash once a month!"
So, what do you do?
"Gronak lift kilt as move action..."
Everybody flees.
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According to the description of Mithral the only thing about Mithral Full Plate that would count as heavy armor is the proficiency required. Thus I would think you could in fact keep your Barbarian's Fast Movement, your Ranger's Combat Style feats, or attach the kilt.I personally do not think it could be used on full plate, even if it is mithril. It specifically states that it has no effect on heavy armor and with mitril plate, you still need heavy armor prof to use so it's not changing its type, just how it acts on the wearer.Mithral armor is considered one category lighter than normal for all purposes but proficiency. Does that mean I can apply an armroed kilt to mithral breastplate, thereby gaining the benefits of both the plate and the kilt (and now once again treating the set as heavy armor)? What if the armored kilt is ALSO mithral? Would that mean that my mithral full plate would still be considered medium armor in most respects since the entire set is so light and mithral'ly?
The very fact that you need heavy armor proficiency shows that it remains heavy armor. It just does not ACT like heavy armor
Related question: Armored Quilt and Bracers of Armor...would you allow it?Per the description of its function. no.
Description from Campaign Setting snipit:
"An armored kilt can be worn separately as light armor, or it can be added to other suits of light or medium armor . "
Though you may well be right, I don't think your interpretation is as iron clad as you seem to think it is.
The very fact that you need heavy armor proficiency shows that it remains heavy armor. It just does not ACT like heavy armor
I respectfully disagree.
Most mithral armors are one category lighter than normal for purposes of movement and other limitations. Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light. This decrease does not apply to proficiency in wearing the armor.
The 'other limitations' is only qualified by the proficiency requirement. All other limitations that apply to heavy armor thus do not apply to heavy armor made from mithral.
The very fact that you need heavy armor proficiency shows that it remains heavy armor. It just does not ACT like heavy armorI respectfully disagree.
Most mithral armors are one category lighter than normal for purposes of movement and other limitations. Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light. This decrease does not apply to proficiency in wearing the armor.The 'other limitations' is only qualified by the proficiency requirement. All other limitations that apply to heavy armor thus do not apply to heavy armor made from mithral.
In the same spirit of looking for a way around a simple rule, I'd note that it does not specify that it is treated as lighter all ways, only for limitations of the armor. Not adding to heavy armor is a limitation of the Kilt.
Wasn't asking what the RAW said but if you'd allow it ;) As in, would it be terribly unbalancing to be able to get +1 AC on top of the Bracers?No.
Related question: Armored Quilt and Bracers of Armor...would you allow it?
No, the +1 AC on top of bracers would be slightly cheap, but not unbalancing.
What would be unbalancing is having +8 Bracers of Armor, and a +1, Invulnerability, Heavy Fortification Armored Kilt.
OK I understand that a +1 Kilt and +1 chain shirt only gives you a +6 Armor Bonus. But if you had say Shadow on the chain shirt, and Energy Resistance on the Kilt, would you get both?