Young Justice: Who is the mole?


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Spoilers of course.

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So we can assume Artemis isn't the mole (kind of amusing that she's the daughter of Sportsmaster and Jade's (half?) sister. I am also sure it's not M'gann, though I'm glad to see they've kept her White Martian origin. I assume it's not Dick, my bet would be Connor, or maybe Wally.

I do love that PAD put in a Doctor Who shout-out in the most recent episode.

It is funny that Roy's so much older than Wally or Dick though.


I'm thinking there isn't one.

Dark Archive

Love this show. I've had to catch it on Youtube, but still, it's awesome.

I like the use of less 'name' villains like Count Vertigo and Queen Bee.

Silver Crusade

I managed to catch the season finale in a foreign language format and I can tell you that you will be surprised who the mole is. Warning, don't click if you don't want to be totally spoiled.

Spoiler:
It is Speedy/Red Arrow who it also turns out is a Cadamus clone. With his help the Light is able to use a severed tentacle of Starro to control the Justice League's mind until the team finds a way to free them. Also Wally and Artemis finally get together as an official couple in this episode and Robin and Zatanna are showing signs of hooking up as well.
The new mystery, that sets up the next season is
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where did the Justice League disappear to for eleven hours while under the Light's control.

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Set wrote:

Love this show. I've had to catch it on Youtube, but still, it's awesome.

I like the use of less 'name' villains like Count Vertigo and Queen Bee.

Although with all this talk of "The Light" I was hoping to see Doctor Light at some point.

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Love this show, along with Transformers: Prime. The time skip is good. Seeing the Blue Beetle and others in action is awesome.


This is not my preferred blue beetle, but I'm enjoying the show.

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It's nice seeing Dick as Nightwing, (would prefer a Stephanie Batgirl, but DC continues to erase/destroy my favourites.) No Raven, no Starfire, no Cyborg (yet) One amusing fact.

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Anyone else notice that the real Roy was missing an arm? Arsenal anyone?

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Matthew Morris wrote:
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That was odd, actually.

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I wonder if that was an accident during capture, or if their cloning tech is crappy enough that they needed a bigger body part to grow a clone (which seems unlikely, since neither Superman nor Lex Luthor had to hack off a limb to grow Superboy...). I was actually kind of hoping that 'Roy's a Cadmus clone' thing was part of Batman's lie (since that information came from him as part of a packet of lies, while under Vandal Savage's control), and that the Roy we've seen all along was actually just a brainwashed Roy all along, and not a replacement.

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Set wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
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That was odd, actually.

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I assumed that he went down fighting.
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Threadromancy I know. Season 2 is on Netflic (finally!) and there's talk if it's seen enough they might do a season 3 (finally!)

Watching this team... reminds me of all the things I hate about the DC reboot


They are (thinking of maybe) doing a season 3? That would be awesome! I know that Freehold DM will be happy, if they do it right.


If they do make a season 3, I hope it's better than season 2.

Kids aren't stupid, but the needlessly convoluted plot, completely different cast with no character introduction (and barely any development) and removal of 1st season characters was a big step down from the 1st season... And IMO, a huge part of the reason of why it didn't attract the audience they were expecting.

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It attracted the audience they wanted. It got canned because WB needed to cover it's losses on the Green Lantern bomb.


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I really do hope those Netflix Season 3 rumors are true cause it was a damn good show


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I liked season 2 though I wish Blue Beetle wasn't the only new character who got development.

Silver Crusade

That would've been crash. :P


How did you know I was watching this show again?


Getting a Season 3 would be great. My wife says she may start streaming the episodes in the background while she does work around the house to help get the counts up.

I actually enjoyed season 2 a lot, though I agree with Dragon78 that the new characters beyond Beetle and Impulse didn't get much in the way of development.


Lagoon Boy got some development. I would have liked to see more Rocket and Icon and Outsiders though. My favorite was arsenal.


Krensky wrote:
It attracted the audience they wanted. It got canned because WB needed to cover it's losses on the Green Lantern bomb.

I will never forgive Ryan Reynolds for what he has done.


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Ryan Reynolds didn't write, direct, design, or edit the Green Lantern movie. It's so easy to blame the actors when there a lot more things going on behind the scenes. Just be glad we didn't get the Jack Black comedy version of Green Lantern.

Actually the show got cancelled because the toys weren't selling.


Krensky wrote:
It attracted the audience they wanted. It got canned because WB needed to cover it's losses on the Green Lantern bomb.

Are you sure? Because it's toys weren't selling very well, that means kids either weren't watching or simply didn't like the show... Which I can completely understand, seeing the mess that was season 2.

They were so focused on adding new characters to sell toys, that they didn't bother to give most of those characters any character.

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Lemmy wrote:
Krensky wrote:
It attracted the audience they wanted. It got canned because WB needed to cover it's losses on the Green Lantern bomb.

Are you sure? Because it's toys weren't selling very well, that means kids either weren't watching or simply didn't like the show... Which I can completely understand, seeing the mess that was season 2.

They were so focused on adding new characters to sell toys, that they didn't bother to give most of those characters any character.

That wasn't what you said. You said it was cancelled due to not attracting the audience they wanted. It's numbers were good and they were find with the demographics it pulled.

It was cancelled because WB wasn't spending money on television due to thr Green Lantern debacle so the money was coming from the toys which didn't sell so Matel cancelled the line and the funding went away.


Lemmy wrote:
Krensky wrote:
It attracted the audience they wanted. It got canned because WB needed to cover it's losses on the Green Lantern bomb.

Are you sure? Because it's toys weren't selling very well, that means kids either weren't watching or simply didn't like the show... Which I can completely understand, seeing the mess that was season 2.

They were so focused on adding new characters to sell toys, that they didn't bother to give most of those characters any character.

I think the only new characters (as of Season 2. I agree Rocket, who was a late addition to season 1, didn't get much development) that got really short-shrift were Cass and Tim.

That being said, I don't think the new characters were added just to sell toys. The producers/writers wanted to tell stories about the Team growing and changing. They got hampered by a lot of stuff from WB (which characters were available being changed over time, including the legal fight over the Milestone characters like Icon, Rocket and Static) and CN (scheduling changes, not knowing how many episodes they were actually going to get in the season, etc) which hurt both the viewing numbers and their ability to tell the story they wanted.


Krensky wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
Krensky wrote:
It attracted the audience they wanted. It got canned because WB needed to cover it's losses on the Green Lantern bomb.

Are you sure? Because it's toys weren't selling very well, that means kids either weren't watching or simply didn't like the show... Which I can completely understand, seeing the mess that was season 2.

They were so focused on adding new characters to sell toys, that they didn't bother to give most of those characters any character.

That wasn't what you said. You said it was cancelled due to not attracting the audience they wanted. It's numbers were good and they were find with the demographics it pulled.

It was cancelled because WB wasn't spending money on television due to thr Green Lantern debacle so the money was coming from the toys which didn't sell so Matel cancelled the line and the funding went away.

I wonder how accurate that statement is... Why wouldn't the toys sell if there were enough people watching (and enjoying) the show?

The only character from 2nd season that actually got some development was Blue Beetle and Impulse... The other newcomers barely appeared onscreen.

And I'm pretty sure those characters were introduced to sell more toys... That's what motivates most cartoon shows these days.

Anyway... I liked the series... The first season as pretty great. The second one was... meh.


Lemmy wrote:
Krensky wrote:
Lemmy wrote:
Krensky wrote:
It attracted the audience they wanted. It got canned because WB needed to cover it's losses on the Green Lantern bomb.

Are you sure? Because it's toys weren't selling very well, that means kids either weren't watching or simply didn't like the show... Which I can completely understand, seeing the mess that was season 2.

They were so focused on adding new characters to sell toys, that they didn't bother to give most of those characters any character.

That wasn't what you said. You said it was cancelled due to not attracting the audience they wanted. It's numbers were good and they were find with the demographics it pulled.

It was cancelled because WB wasn't spending money on television due to thr Green Lantern debacle so the money was coming from the toys which didn't sell so Matel cancelled the line and the funding went away.

I wonder how accurate that statement is... Why wouldn't the toys sell if there were enough people watching (and enjoying) the show?

The only character from 2nd season that actually got some development was Blue Beetle and Impulse... The other newcomers barely appeared onscreen.

And I'm pretty sure those characters were introduced to sell more toys... That's what motivates most cartoon shows these days.

Anyway... I liked the series... The first season as pretty great. The second one was... meh.

I fragging LOVED the second season.


Dragon78 wrote:

Ryan Reynolds didn't write, direct, design, or edit the Green Lantern movie. It's so easy to blame the actors when there a lot more things going on behind the scenes. Just be glad we didn't get the Jack Black comedy version of Green Lantern.

Actually the show got cancelled because the toys weren't selling.

I would have preferred the jack black comedy version. Because I'm not entirely sure that's not what we actually got.

The movie was awful. That reynolds is enjoying commercial success in another superhero gig is monstrously frustrating to me, he killed one movie so he could do the one he wanted to do, from my pov.


Because most of the people who watched the show didn't buy the toys. The ratings were fine but the show wasn't getting enough money from merchandise to continue production.

Silver Crusade

My only problem really with season 2 was the 5-year timeskip.

A lot of character development was lost mainly due to that, because at that point, The Team went from being a "family" to being a unit with interchangeable participants. That loss really hurt the second season more than anything else.

I didn't have a problem with Blue Beetle getting development; given the nature of his battle suit, that needed to happen. But others definitely could have used more screen time and therefore more development (Cassie, for one).


Freehold DM wrote:
I fragging LOVED the second season.

I'm glad you did. I thought it was mediocre at best, but we all enjoy different things to different degrees.

Dragon78 wrote:
Because most of the people who watched the show didn't buy the toys. The ratings were fine but the show wasn't getting enough money from merchandise to continue production.

Which means not many kids were watching (or enjoying) it. And as much as we grown ups can love cartoons, it's the younger audience they're looking for. They are the ones that spend (their parents') money on the merchandise.

But, to be fair... CN's airing schedule for the show was awful, so that certainly didn't help.


I would kill for a Season 3 of Young Justice.

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mourge40k wrote:
I would kill for a Season 3 of Young Justice.

Watch Season 2 on Netflix... the more views it gets, the greater the likelihood of Season 3 appearing there.

No killing necessary.


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Blayde MacRonan wrote:
mourge40k wrote:
I would kill for a Season 3 of Young Justice.

Watch Season 2 on Netflix... the more views it gets, the greater the likelihood of Season 3 appearing there.

No killing necessary.

Other than time. Let us toast to time, for it has died so that our show might live. A noble sacrifice indeed. ;D


I agree CN's airing schedule was horrible though that can be said for any good show they some how get.


Blayde MacRonan wrote:

My only problem really with season 2 was the 5-year timeskip.

A lot of character development was lost mainly due to that, because at that point, The Team went from being a "family" to being a unit with interchangeable participants. That loss really hurt the second season more than anything else.

I didn't have a problem with Blue Beetle getting development; given the nature of his battle suit, that needed to happen. But others definitely could have used more screen time and therefore more development (Cassie, for one).

a lot of that development was in the video game for Xbox 360, give it a play if you can it was supposed to explain the 5 year gap.


Lemmy wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
I fragging LOVED the second season.

I'm glad you did. I thought it was mediocre at best, but we all enjoy different things to different degrees.

Dragon78 wrote:
Because most of the people who watched the show didn't buy the toys. The ratings were fine but the show wasn't getting enough money from merchandise to continue production.

Which means not many kids were watching (or enjoying) it. And as much as we grown ups can love cartoons, it's the younger audience they're looking for. They are the ones that spend (their parents') money on the merchandise.

But, to be fair... CN's airing schedule for the show was awful, so that certainly didn't help.

weird.

I had no problem with the airing schedule probably because I have a dvr.

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Freehold DM wrote:
The movie was awful. That reynolds is enjoying commercial success in another superhero gig is monstrously frustrating to me, he killed one movie so he could do the one he wanted to do, from my pov.

He's enjoying commercial success because a lot of other movies. Green Lanter bombed. Hard. It hurt him more than anyone else.

And your pov is very wrong.

After all he just acted. The fault lies with DC, WB, writers, producers and the director.


Hama wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
The movie was awful. That reynolds is enjoying commercial success in another superhero gig is monstrously frustrating to me, he killed one movie so he could do the one he wanted to do, from my pov.

He's enjoying commercial success because a lot of other movies. Green Lanter bombed. Hard. It hurt him more than anyone else.

And your pov is very wrong.

After all he just acted. The fault lies with DC, WB, writers, producers and the director.

pah.

He was slated for Deadpool from the wolverine origins movie. Many people wondered how he would be able to do Deadpool when he was greenlight for green lantern, if you'll forgive the pun. Many suspected he would simply phone in his performance, but what we got was far, far worse. That he jokes about the gl movie in Deadpool is a clear indicator of where his loyalties lie. The movie failing, possibly intentionally, isn't going to hurt him when he already had a contract with marvel.

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He was about the only decent thing in the GL movie.

As for the jokes... Of course he made them. It's Deadpool. If DC made a Lobo movie I would expect Green Lantern movie jokes.


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Freehold DM wrote:
He was slated for Deadpool from the wolverine origins movie. Many people wondered how he would be able to do Deadpool when he was greenlight for green lantern, if you'll forgive the pun. Many suspected he would simply phone in his performance, but what we got was far, far worse. That he jokes about the gl movie in Deadpool is a clear indicator of where his loyalties lie. The movie failing, possibly intentionally, isn't going to hurt him when he already had a contract with marvel.

Hah! This sounds like a really cheesy conspiracy theory!

It's not like his acting is what killed the GL movie. That thing deserved to bomb! It was awful! Terrible writing, terrible effects, terrible everything! In fact, his acting is possibly among the least awful things in that movie.

And Deadpool is a 4th-wall breaking character known for his meta-humour. Of course he'd make fun of Reynolds' past works! Specially one as easy to make fun of as the GL movie! He also made fun of that horrible version of Deadpool present in the Wolverine movie.


Lemmy wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
He was slated for Deadpool from the wolverine origins movie. Many people wondered how he would be able to do Deadpool when he was greenlight for green lantern, if you'll forgive the pun. Many suspected he would simply phone in his performance, but what we got was far, far worse. That he jokes about the gl movie in Deadpool is a clear indicator of where his loyalties lie. The movie failing, possibly intentionally, isn't going to hurt him when he already had a contract with marvel.

Hah! This sounds like a really cheesy conspiracy theory!

It's not like his acting is what killed the GL movie. That thing deserved to bomb! It was awful! Terrible writing, terrible effects, terrible everything! In fact, his acting is possibly among the least awful things in that movie.

And Deadpool is a 4th-wall breaking character known for his meta-humour. Of course he'd make fun of Reynolds' past works! Specially one as easy to make fun of as the GL movie! He also made fun of that horrible version of Deadpool present in the Wolverine movie.

And he even trashed his own acting ability - there's a line where 'Pool is lamenting his lost looks and he references Ryan Reynolds - 'that guy didn't get where he was on his acting talent'.


Freehold DM wrote:
a lot of that development was in the video game for Xbox 360, give it a play if you can it was supposed to explain the 5 year gap.

There's also backstory in the comic book tie-in to the show.


Blayde MacRonan wrote:
mourge40k wrote:
I would kill for a Season 3 of Young Justice.

Watch Season 2 on Netflix... the more views it gets, the greater the likelihood of Season 3 appearing there.

No killing necessary.

Oh boy, killing is now necessary: Season 3 is a go!


Yeah I can't wait, now if only W.i.t.c.h., Thundercats(2011), He-Man(2002), and the Green Lantern animated series would get a second chance as well.


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Oh man, I'd forgotten W.i.t.c.h! It's like Winx Club, but good!

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He-Man was amazing.


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THUNDERCATS! HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


Thundercats 2011 was my favorite so far...

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