Public Spellcasting


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I'd like to know what kind of reaction a character should expect when casting a spell in a public place, specifically the streets of Absalom. In my understanding, casting any spell with a V component should draw attention at least from the people immediately around you:

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To provide a verbal component, you must be able to speak in a strong voice

I can't find it now, but I remember reading that the rules intend that there is no way to cast inconspicuously or quietly (without using metamagic). Maybe this is a memory from 3.5, but that's still how I interpret spellcasting.

Even if the spell has no immediate flashy or harmful effect, would people around the caster still be spooked? Enough to clear the street? Enough to call guards?

Silver Crusade

Not in a big city like Absalom. Remember, magic is all over the place in Golarion. In a tiny village like Ravenmoor, you might attract a lot of attention with any little cantrip. But I'd think that big city folks would hardly bat an eye, unless there was a big, obvious result of your casting.

Contributor

I've never understood, apart from obvious metagaming, how anyone without Spellcraft can tell the difference between someone casting a spell and someone saying a ritual phrase or making a superstitious gesture. Certainly you can have twitchy yahoos who reach for their swords every time a wizard says "Gesundheit!" but it should take Spellcraft to know the difference between "Gesundheit!" and "Abracadabra!"

Moreover, I'm not certain how, short of metagaming or powerful divination, anyone can tell the difference between a loaded gun or an unloaded one. I mean, if a wizard waves a wand at someone and says a command word, how are they to know it has any charges or that he's even saying the right one? Or that a rogue is using Use Magic Device with an item that either isn't magical or doesn't function that way? If a fireball shoots out of the end of the stick, we can assume it's a wand of fireballs, but it just might be a pencil the wizard had in his hand while he cast fireball.


It's that unknown element for people who can't spellcraft that makes me think that common people would be a bit more perturbed by spellcasting in public, even in Absalom. If I'm a regular guy on the street, how do I know if that guy spouting incomprehensible words just used prestidigitation to clean his shoes, or cast magic weapon on his dagger? Or maybe, as you said, he's just waving his hands around and saying nonsense...


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Muninn wrote:
It's that unknown element for people who can't spellcraft that makes me think that common people would be a bit more perturbed by spellcasting in public, even in Absalom. If I'm a regular guy on the street, how do I know if that guy spouting incomprehensible words just used prestidigitation to clean his shoes, or cast magic weapon on his dagger? Or maybe, as you said, he's just waving his hands around and saying nonsense...

IRL, when I see someone with an unfamiliar handheld electronic, I don't immediately assume it's a bomb/detonator/phone hacking tool/laser designator or any of the other things that may be harmful (to one degree or another). Instead I assume it's something safe and likely legal because the guy IS using it in public.

Magic used in public is probably much the same. Assume that it's safe unless it is obviously not.

Silver Crusade

Agreed with HappyDaze.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
HappyDaze wrote:
Muninn wrote:
It's that unknown element for people who can't spellcraft that makes me think that common people would be a bit more perturbed by spellcasting in public, even in Absalom. If I'm a regular guy on the street, how do I know if that guy spouting incomprehensible words just used prestidigitation to clean his shoes, or cast magic weapon on his dagger? Or maybe, as you said, he's just waving his hands around and saying nonsense...

IRL, when I see someone with an unfamiliar handheld electronic, I don't immediately assume it's a bomb/detonator/phone hacking tool/laser designator or any of the other things that may be harmful (to one degree or another). Instead I assume it's something safe and likely legal because the guy IS using it in public.

Magic used in public is probably much the same. Assume that it's safe unless it is obviously not.

What if that "electronic box" was instead a gun? Perhaps to the untrained eye. unfamilliar magic looks more like something dangerous than something odd.


I would suspect the tone of voice with the verbal component along with any obvious spell effect would determine the reaction. i cant imagine casting a fire ball on a packed street in Absalom would make you many friends

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
coldbringer wrote:
I would suspect the tone of voice with the verbal component along with any obvious spell effect would determine the reaction. i cant imagine casting a fire ball on a packed street in Absalom would make you many friends

Quote from an actual Living City play session. Party is fighting formorians on a city street.

Player: "I cast an expanded empowered fireball at the ants. Shaping holes in the fireball to protect my comrades."

DM: "The ants burn quite nicely... and two of the buildings are now on fire."

Player: "Buildings? what buildings?"


HappyDaze wrote:
Muninn wrote:
It's that unknown element for people who can't spellcraft that makes me think that common people would be a bit more perturbed by spellcasting in public, even in Absalom. If I'm a regular guy on the street, how do I know if that guy spouting incomprehensible words just used prestidigitation to clean his shoes, or cast magic weapon on his dagger? Or maybe, as you said, he's just waving his hands around and saying nonsense...

IRL, when I see someone with an unfamiliar handheld electronic, I don't immediately assume it's a bomb/detonator/phone hacking tool/laser designator or any of the other things that may be harmful (to one degree or another). Instead I assume it's something safe and likely legal because the guy IS using it in public.

Magic used in public is probably much the same. Assume that it's safe unless it is obviously not.

Agreed. SInce the advent of bluetooth I can't tell who's on the phone and who's schizophrenic anymore.


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In a land where there are
so many spell casters,
gods are real, and numerous
magic is real,
a cleric can cast create water all day long,
dragons are real,
elves are real,
the village witch is really a witch

etc the populace really shouldnt bat an eye lid at someone

casting an unassuming spell in the street,
or see 2ft tall to 8ft tall person walking down the street,
people talking to there pet bear,
carrying outrageous looking over sized swords

at least thats how i play it

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Lost Omens Subscriber

Since this particular topic has not been covered in a Paizo publication as far as I can tell, I would assume that it is up to the GM to figure out how public spellcasting is seen in the campaign.


LazarX wrote:
HappyDaze wrote:
Muninn wrote:
It's that unknown element for people who can't spellcraft that makes me think that common people would be a bit more perturbed by spellcasting in public, even in Absalom. If I'm a regular guy on the street, how do I know if that guy spouting incomprehensible words just used prestidigitation to clean his shoes, or cast magic weapon on his dagger? Or maybe, as you said, he's just waving his hands around and saying nonsense...

IRL, when I see someone with an unfamiliar handheld electronic, I don't immediately assume it's a bomb/detonator/phone hacking tool/laser designator or any of the other things that may be harmful (to one degree or another). Instead I assume it's something safe and likely legal because the guy IS using it in public.

Magic used in public is probably much the same. Assume that it's safe unless it is obviously not.

What if that "electronic box" was instead a gun? Perhaps to the untrained eye. unfamilliar magic looks more like something dangerous than something odd.

This would be the equivalent to using a spell with obviously harmful effects. The word obviously is the key.

Beyond that, when playing in Golarion remember that weapons (and thus likely including harmful spells) are commonplace and it's largely an armed society where almost everyone is carrying something. In Golarion carrying around a gun/sword/wand/whatever is generally not going to get you censured unless you're using it cause harm or you have a history for doing so.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

In a small town, like in Ustalav perhaps, they'd have a very Dursley-ish reaction to strangers speaking in a language not Common and making elaborate gestures (HE'S A WITCH!!).

In Absalom, Quantium, and other large magically potent cities, no one will give too winks to random oddly dressed people in the streets flailing their arms and shouting nonsense words...I mean, Absalom is home both to the Grand Lodge (of the biggest "adventurer's guild" in the world) AND the Cathedral of the Starstone, which draws both genuine spellcasters and crazy fruit-loops who think they are...

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