New Doctor Who Companion Announced


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Jenna-Louise Coleman joins Doctor Who.

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I saw it. It makes me sad. Amy has by far been my favorite companion. I teared up at the article, and I'll probably cry through the first half of the season knowing what's coming.


I'm the complete opposite. Amy has been my least favourite companion of the new series and one of my least favourite of all time. I really miss Donna, personally. Oh well. I do rather like Rory, so I'll be a little sad to see him leave.


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Donna got the rawest deal since Adric, companion-wise. (And Adric really deserved it.) Everyone else the Doctor picks up from their humdrum lives and deposits them back with a little extra confidence and gumption to be something more when they're done. Donna? Gets dumped back where she was, not even remembering what happened, and even more of a loser because she "missed" all the exciting things that happened on Earth while she was traveling. And I never got over her just missing meeting the stutterer she'd been searching for in the Library.* It's like they enjoyed torturing her. She's like Charlie Brown never getting to kick the football.

*:
And while I'm on the subject of romantic disappointments in new Who, I was also extremely disappointed Martha left the pediatrician who died for her in the parallel timestream to get together with Mickey, apparently just because they were both Black former companions. :P

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Navior wrote:
I'm the complete opposite. Amy has been my least favourite companion of the new series and one of my least favourite of all time. I really miss Donna, personally. Oh well. I do rather like Rory, so I'll be a little sad to see him leave.

You're not alone in missing Donna. I think she, like River, worked to keep the Doctor focused on the mundane and the consequences of his actions more than Rose/Martha/etc. etc. did.

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From the Guardian.

"Amy and Rory will leave in the fifth [episode] that goes out," said Moffat. "It will be a final encounter with the angels and not everybody gets out alive – and I mean it this time."

Rory as Kenny again?


Joana wrote:
Donna got the rawest deal since Adric, companion-wise. (And Adric really deserved it.) Everyone else the Doctor picks up from their humdrum lives and deposits them back with a little extra confidence and gumption to be something more when they're done. Donna? Gets dumped back where she was, not even remembering what happened, and even more of a loser because she "missed" all the exciting things that happened on Earth while she was traveling. And I never got over her just missing meeting the stutterer she'd been searching for in the Library.* It's like they enjoyed torturing her. She's like Charlie Brown never getting to kick the football.

So true about Donna. It was a fate worse than death, really.

As for Martha, yeah, that really came out of nowhere.


Joana wrote:
And while I'm on the subject of romantic disappointments in new Who, I was also extremely disappointed Martha left the pediatrician who died for her in the parallel timestream to get together with Mickey, apparently just because they were both Black former companions. :P

I think it was more like that Martha left the pediatrician for mickey because the pediatrician was boring. Martha and Mickey fit together because of shared experiences that almost no one else could possible understand. Their shared desire for adventure and excitement, peaked by the Doctor, would also naturally draw them together.

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Plus, you know... Smith & Jones!


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Joana wrote:
Everyone else the Doctor picks up from their humdrum lives and deposits them back with a little extra confidence and gumption to be something more when they're done.

While I haven't seen any Who more recent than 2007, I might point out that Jamie and Zoe got their memories wiped of their adventures with the Doctor, except for their first.

(When Zoe, with the photographic memory, shows her awareness that she'd forgotten something, you'd think she'd find that strange.)

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From the Guardian.

"Amy and Rory will leave in the fifth [episode] that goes out," said Moffat. "It will be a final encounter with the angels and not everybody gets out alive – and I mean it this time."

Rory as Kenny again?

The implication is Amy gets got I think. But the Angels don't kill you, they just throw you about randomly in time I thought? So Amy and Rory end up lost, never to meet again, in a way that the doctor can't go and find them to sort it all out.

Either way, I'll be *very* sad to see Amy go.

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Joana wrote:

Donna got the rawest deal since Adric, companion-wise. (And Adric really deserved it.) Everyone else the Doctor picks up from their humdrum lives and deposits them back with a little extra confidence and gumption to be something more when they're done. Donna? Gets dumped back where she was, not even remembering what happened, and even more of a loser because she "missed" all the exciting things that happened on Earth while she was traveling. And I never got over her just missing meeting the stutterer she'd been searching for in the Library.* It's like they enjoyed torturing her. She's like Charlie Brown never getting to kick the football.

** spoiler omitted **

Totally agree with you on all points.

I would have rather seen Donna get a good heroic death, full of catharsis and closure, than what they did to her, which was just pointlessly rage-inducing. Someone told me there's a rumor that Donna's coming back, but likely that was somehow conflated with the news that there's going to be a new companion.

As for companion #.... 35 or so? I wish her the best of luck! I like hearing that Matt Smith had trouble keeping up with her, that's a good sign. :) I certainly do expect Steven Moffat to treat companion departure much better than Russel Davies did; under his pen you were guaranteed to get the fuzzy end of the lollipop, unless maybe your name was Rose.

Even if I didn't like some of what Moffat did with Amy this past season. I hated the whole pregnancy thing, it was just weird, and not in a fun Doctor Who weird way. She became more of a plot device than a character somewhere along the lines; I liked Amy but I'm ready to see her go and a fresh start.

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Aaron Bitman wrote:
Joana wrote:
Everyone else the Doctor picks up from their humdrum lives and deposits them back with a little extra confidence and gumption to be something more when they're done.

While I haven't seen any Who more recent than 2007, I might point out that Jamie and Zoe got their memories wiped of their adventures with the Doctor, except for their first.

(When Zoe, with the photographic memory, shows her awareness that she'd forgotten something, you'd think she'd find that strange.)

IIRC, you could blame the Time Lords for that, not the Doctor.

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Matthew Morris wrote:
Aaron Bitman wrote:
Joana wrote:
Everyone else the Doctor picks up from their humdrum lives and deposits them back with a little extra confidence and gumption to be something more when they're done.

While I haven't seen any Who more recent than 2007, I might point out that Jamie and Zoe got their memories wiped of their adventures with the Doctor, except for their first.

(When Zoe, with the photographic memory, shows her awareness that she'd forgotten something, you'd think she'd find that strange.)

IIRC, you could blame the Time Lords for that, not the Doctor.

Edit: Those that survive the experience seem to come out better might be a better way to put it. :-)

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Matthew Morris wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:
Aaron Bitman wrote:
Joana wrote:
Everyone else the Doctor picks up from their humdrum lives and deposits them back with a little extra confidence and gumption to be something more when they're done.

While I haven't seen any Who more recent than 2007, I might point out that Jamie and Zoe got their memories wiped of their adventures with the Doctor, except for their first.

(When Zoe, with the photographic memory, shows her awareness that she'd forgotten something, you'd think she'd find that strange.)

IIRC, you could blame the Time Lords for that, not the Doctor.
Edit: Those that survive the experience seem to come out better might be a better way to put it. :-)

Although it's relatively small consolation, Jaime and Zoe also got to remember at least meeting the Doctor, and weren't in danger of their brains exploding if they did. Jaime got to return to Scotland and be a Highlander fighter, Zoe got to return to the Cyberman-free space wheel and be an awesome mathematician with a sparkly bum. They had fairly interesting lives, were accomplished, and the Doctor still helped save them both from the disasters that threatened their lives, and their lives were better for it. Donna became more, then became less than what she ever was, and got tossed away in a convenience marriage like THAT'S the only thing good that could ever happen to her. Oh, and the lottery ticket, but what-the-f!%%-ever.

Even Adric and Sara Kingdom got to die heroically, or trying to be heroic (which is what Adric was doing, even if his misplaced pride killed him). Donna got jack squat of real character value.

The only person who might tie with Donna for crappy character ending was Peri. And part of the issue with Peri is they killed her off (in a horribly brutal way) and then decided it didn't happen---only to say she got married to Brian Blessed instead and became a queen of a warrior tribe (so very not Peri). I'm sure Peri herself would prefer to have remained a victim of evil alien brain surgery (Nicola Bryant certainly did).

Although back to Jaime and Zoe... since the Time Lords were ostensibly destroyed, what of their influence? Maybe their memories would have returned....

Hell, I would LOVE in particular to see them return to the wheel in space with an older Zoe having memory flashes of the Doctor, with the new Doctor showing up and resolving some of that (Two, I'm sure, would agree with Eleven that bowties are cool). Wendy Padbury's still around, they should do it! The show seems unable to keep itself from doing continuity nods so why not resolve some old loose ends?

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DeathQuaker wrote:

Hell, I would LOVE in particular to see them return to the wheel in space with an older Zoe having memory flashes of the Doctor, with the new Doctor showing up and resolving some of that (Two, I'm sure, would agree with Eleven that bowties are cool). Wendy Padbury's still around, they should do it! The show seems unable to keep itself from doing continuity nods so why not resolve some old loose ends?

I really wish they would do just that. Susan, Ace, Zoe, Romana... just to name four off the top of my head. (Yes, SJA strongly hints that Ace is doing just fine, would be nice to have some conformation).

Mel.. well Mel we can just leave in Limbo. Bonnie Langford may be a nice woman IRL, but that 'Mel Scream' is painful.

Though if one squints, we can see a Peri Happy Ending in The Stranger episodes. :-)

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Joana wrote:

Donna got the rawest deal since Adric, companion-wise. (And Adric really deserved it.) Everyone else the Doctor picks up from their humdrum lives and deposits them back with a little extra confidence and gumption to be something more when they're done. Donna? Gets dumped back where she was, not even remembering what happened, and even more of a loser because she "missed" all the exciting things that happened on Earth while she was traveling. And I never got over her just missing meeting the stutterer she'd been searching for in the Library.* It's like they enjoyed torturing her. She's like Charlie Brown never getting to kick the football.

** spoiler omitted **

She still wound up being better off in at least one aspect... thanks to a certain lottery ticket.

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Aaron Bitman wrote:
Joana wrote:
Everyone else the Doctor picks up from their humdrum lives and deposits them back with a little extra confidence and gumption to be something more when they're done.

While I haven't seen any Who more recent than 2007, I might point out that Jamie and Zoe got their memories wiped of their adventures with the Doctor, except for their first.

Let's not forget Adam, but he asked for it.

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Nevynxxx wrote:
But the Angels don't kill you, they just throw you about randomly in time I thought?

That was in "Blink". In their last encounter, the Angels changed their modus operandi to snapping necks. Or they may take out some of your insides so they can mind screw your friends by talking with your voice.

Still, even in "Blink" what the Angels did to you meant that you got robbed of the life you were meant to have.


Since we are on things I would like to see revisited... I want either a few episodes or a whole season with the Doctor's daughter as a companion. A story arc with Romana, and for the upcomming aniversary a multi-doc episode. Even if its just Tennant and Smith, which is low hanging fruit that would be cool, but even better if they could get the last 4 or so going back to McGann.


There was an interview with Karen Gillen, in which she said the Amy Pond story is coming to a tragic end. Whether she was talking about her feelings about leaving the show or actually what happens to the character is left for us to wonder.

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DeathQuaker wrote:

Hell, I would LOVE in particular to see them return to the wheel in space with an older Zoe having memory flashes of the Doctor, with the new Doctor showing up and resolving some of that (Two, I'm sure, would agree with Eleven that bowties are cool). Wendy Padbury's still around, they should do it! The show seems unable to keep itself from doing continuity nods so why not resolve some old loose ends?

I really wish they would do just that. Susan, Ace, Zoe, Romana... just to name four off the top of my head. (Yes, SJA strongly hints that Ace is doing just fine, would be nice to have some conformation).

Ace I'm fine with.

Susan and Romana I would like to know at least if they are dead or alive. I'd also love to see a return of Susan--give Carole Ann Ford a chance to play Susan as an interesting, grown up character. I always like to think Romana remained in E-Space and thus completely was immune to the effects of the Time War. I know spin-off media likes to cast her as President of the High Council... but I never understood where the transition came from Romana wanting to stay in E-Space and help and wander like the Doctor, to her wanting to return to Gallifrey, which is something she did not want to do in the series by the time her presence in the series came to an end. Maybe Big Finish did cover that transition, but I always felt the whole premise was entirely out of character. (Had Romana stayed Tamm!Romana, maybe, but not Ward!Romana.)

Leela's fate is also a mystery because she remained on Gallifrey. It's plausible the Time Lords gave her an extended lifespan. All I can say is, if Leela was alive when the Dalek War began, there were a hell of a lot of Daleks that went down before she did.

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Mel.. well Mel we can just leave in Limbo. Bonnie Langford may be a nice woman IRL, but that 'Mel Scream' is painful.

Mel's popularity aside, I don't need closure with her. She left to keep an eye on Glitz and I'm fine with imagining her dragging Glitz by the ear out of his dodgy deals across the cosmos.

Honestly, the Doctor Who fan in me would love to see a return of all the companions, even briefly. I realize it would ultimately be cheesy and likely unfeasible. But maybe at least a brief cameo for the 50th Anniversary?

In addition to Ace, SJA gave shoutouts to Tegan, Polly, and Ben, and Ian and Barbara (although I actually didn't like the "immortal professor" thing, that was weird, especially since it negates the chances of William Russell showing up). She spoke of Harry in the past tense (which makes sense since Ian Marter passed away). We've seen what Jo's been up to. On contemporary Earth there should still also be Dodo, Liz, and Tegan, and any number of members of UNIT.

Somewhere in time and space are Steven (on an unnamed planet mediating between two warring tribes), Vicki (as Troilus's Cressida), Jamie in ye olde Scotlande, Zoe in the "21st century" but at a time when we have massive wheel shaped space stations, Nyssa banging around on a leper ship, and Turlough being Prince of Trion or whatever.

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Though if one squints, we can see a Peri Happy Ending in The Stranger episodes. :-)

This is true. :) And oddly while I was not a big fan of Peri, I enjoyed "Miss Brown" much moreso.

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Nevynxxx wrote:

The implication is Amy gets got I think. But the Angels don't kill you, they just throw you about randomly in time I thought? So Amy and Rory end up lost, never to meet again, in a way that the doctor can't go and find them to sort it all out.

Either way, I'll be *very* sad to see Amy go.

Remember this line from The Time of Angels: "Whatever holds the image of an Angel, becomes an Angel."

I am expecting Amy to actually turn into an Angel.

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Lazurin Arborlon wrote:
Since we are on things I would like to see revisited... I want either a few episodes or a whole season with the Doctor's daughter as a companion. A story arc with Romana, and for the upcomming aniversary a multi-doc episode. Even if its just Tennant and Smith, which is low hanging fruit that would be cool, but even better if they could get the last 4 or so going back to McGann.

All the living doctors could appear and look just as they did during their runs via the use of computer technology like was used for Benjamin Button.


LazarX wrote:
Nevynxxx wrote:
But the Angels don't kill you, they just throw you about randomly in time I thought?

That was in "Blink". In their last encounter, the Angels changed their modus operandi to snapping necks. Or they may take out some of your insides so they can mind screw your friends by talking with your voice.

Still, even in "Blink" what the Angels did to you meant that you got robbed of the life you were meant to have.

Yeah, changing their M.O. really ticked me off. "Blink" was probably the creepiest Doctor Who episode ever. The return of the angels wasn't anywhere near as good.

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DeathQuaker wrote:
The only person who might tie with Donna for crappy character ending was Peri.

I'm going to go with the low point as Dodo, who was written out while offscreen:

POLLY: Sir Charles has been looking for you everywhere--we've got a message from him about Dodo.
DOCTOR: Oh, yes, I've been waiting around here for her. Where is she? I very nearly left without her!
BEN: Left?
DOCTOR: Yes, er... er... to the airport, yes. She is well, I hope?
POLLY: She says she's feeling much better and she'd like to stay here in London and sends you her love.
DOCTOR: Her love? Humph, there's gratitude for you! Take her all the way 'round the world, through space and time, and then...
BEN: Come again, Doctor?
DOCTOR: Er, what? I... er... nothing, my dear boy, nothing.


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I dunno. "I see you like a boy. You will stay here. I will come back for you, someday. Unless I start a time war and erase you from existence. Not that I will ever stop by to see if I have any great-grandchildren in the 4 or 5 centuries between now and then."

Or: "Don't hit that button, it opens the airlock!"

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DeathQuaker wrote:
The only person who might tie with Donna for crappy character ending was Peri.

I'm going to go with the low point as Dodo, who was written out while offscreen:

POLLY: Sir Charles has been looking for you everywhere--we've got a message from him about Dodo.
DOCTOR: Oh, yes, I've been waiting around here for her. Where is she? I very nearly left without her!
BEN: Left?
DOCTOR: Yes, er... er... to the airport, yes. She is well, I hope?
POLLY: She says she's feeling much better and she'd like to stay here in London and sends you her love.
DOCTOR: Her love? Humph, there's gratitude for you! Take her all the way 'round the world, through space and time, and then...
BEN: Come again, Doctor?
DOCTOR: Er, what? I... er... nothing, my dear boy, nothing.

*nod* It's a low point in a different way. Her departure wasn't painful like Peri's or Donna's, but she should have gotten a proper goodbye. Which was more of a result of "oh, she's not renewing her contract, so we're not going to pay her to be in the last episode" sort of thing. Not that it excuses it, but they didn't handle it very well.

IIRC, Liz Shaw also got written out off screen. The Doctor was told she'd returned to Cambridge and that was it.

Leela's a runner up for poorly written ending. She DID get a goodbye, but it was another clear case of unexpected actress departure, so uh... let's marry her to the block of wood she's been standing next to for the last few episodes. (The silly thing is, they could have written her out much better by, say, having her decide to live amongst the Outsiders, or staying to help Rodan or something.)

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The Minis Maniac wrote:
There was an interview with Karen Gillen, in which she said the Amy Pond story is coming to a tragic end. Whether she was talking about her feelings about leaving the show or actually what happens to the character is left for us to wonder.

She did say in one interview is that her preference would be that once Amy gets off the TARDIS is that she's off for good, presumably by killing her off. Time does march on, even for the Doctor. We've seen that River Song's story effectively begins and ends with the 11th Doctor. (if you've seen the mini-episode First and Last Night.)

Quite frankly, at this point, I think that killing her off for good is the only way to have a real closure on the character given that we've already seen her "retire" from the TARDIS twice now.

And presumably KG wants to move on from Dr. Who as well.


DeathQuaker wrote:
*nod* It's a low point in a different way. Her departure wasn't painful like Peri's or Donna's, but she should have gotten a proper goodbye. Which was more of a result of "oh, she's not renewing her contract, so we're not going to pay her to be in the last episode" sort of thing. Not that it excuses it, but they didn't handle it very well.

Actually, it was a case of the producers not renewing her contract, not the actress leaving suddenly. The new producer wanted his own characters (Ben and Polly), not the previous characters (Steven and Dodo), so it was bye-bye to them as quickly as possible. Steven got a somewhat proper write-out the story before, but with Dodo, they didn't seem entirely sure how to get rid of her, so just kind of shoved her to the side and forgot about her for half the story.

That kind of thing happened a lot over the third season. Vicki was written out similarly at the beginning of the season. The actress came back from holiday and was told she was being written out in the very next story to be recorded.

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Navior wrote:
DeathQuaker wrote:
*nod* It's a low point in a different way. Her departure wasn't painful like Peri's or Donna's, but she should have gotten a proper goodbye. Which was more of a result of "oh, she's not renewing her contract, so we're not going to pay her to be in the last episode" sort of thing. Not that it excuses it, but they didn't handle it very well.
Actually, it was a case of the producers not renewing her contract, not the actress leaving suddenly. The new producer wanted his own characters

That's very common. Russel T. Davis did a major effort into tiding up all his character sub stories as he knew that Steven Moffat wanted a fairly clean slate to work with. Generally new producers want to put their own stamp on a show they take over. It's also been fairly frequent that a new producer will mean a new Doctor as well.

I wonder if we'll still have Moffat when Matt Smith hangs up his bow tie for good next year.


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Finally, no more Clara. good riddance.

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