Broken Moon - Isn't Estovion Lozarov CR's wrong?


Carrion Crown

Sczarni

I only ask because with 3 levels of aristocrat, he's not able to do dimensional steps. Unless I'm reading it wrong, I thought you needed to be an 8th level conjurer to use that ability.

Am I wrong?

Otherwise I'm okay with him being as is.

Sovereign Court

Yeah, that looks like a mistake that our stat block generator threw in that we didn't catch on editing. As a 7th-level conjurer, he should not yet have access to dimensional steps. His CR, however, is correct.

As for his tactics, just ignore the part about dimensional steps - he still has his scroll of dimension door to use.

Sczarni

Thanks Rob! :) You're still awesome. I appreciate the heads up.


Or even better - replace his levels of Aristocrat with more levels of Wizard.

Sczarni

Toadkiller Dog wrote:
Or even better - replace his levels of Aristocrat with more levels of Wizard.

Yeah but then he loses the ability to fight with his longsword. I know it's not much damage, but consider it's a d8 versus a d4, even with the -3 to damage, it's still more damage on the whole than he would do if he didn't have those levels in aristocrat.

Silver Crusade

Hmmm... Good catch. I will have to up his wizard level then, because if he goes toe to toe with the party, he needs an escape route more than he does a long sword. If he stars swinging that sword, his death will follow in about 6 seconds.


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Yeah but then he loses the ability to fight with his longsword. I know it's not much damage, but consider it's a d8 versus a d4, even with the -3 to damage, it's still more damage on the whole than he would do if he didn't have those levels in aristocrat.

...why in the world would a 10th lvl wizard fight with a longsword?

The Exchange

You could just take 1 level of aristicrat away and replace with conjuror so you could do DS....less modification and still the same end result.....mostly. Or just add a level of conjuror to him.

Sczarni

Nathonicus wrote:
Hmmm... Good catch. I will have to up his wizard level then, because if he goes toe to toe with the party, he needs an escape route more than he does a long sword. If he stars swinging that sword, his death will follow in about 6 seconds.

Probably but I'm hopeful by then he'll have little choice. As I don't intend for him to fight the PCs in the Lodge.

Toadkiller Dog wrote:
...why in the world would a 10th lvl wizard fight with a longsword?

He's not a 10th level wizard. He's not even close to 8th according to Rob.

Fake Healer wrote:
You could just take 1 level of aristicrat away and replace with conjuror so you could do DS....less modification and still the same end result.....mostly. Or just add a level of conjuror to him.

Well I dunno I want to remove that much from his BAB. However, I might add an extra level IF I think he needs it.


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He's not a 10th level wizard. He's not even close to 8th according to Rob.

Missing the point. Why would ANY wizard with spells available fight with a melee weapon with his:

- terrible BAB
- terrible Strength score
- terrible feats (for melee)
- terrible weapon

He even can't hit himself on anything but a 20 to inflict on average 3 points of damage. Per round. If you roll a natural 20.

If you're that desperate for just plain damage (which I don't see why would you be, he has PLENTY of spells), he has his Acid Dart power, which targets Touch AC, and uses his Dex of 16, so he'll probably hit something and more than double his damage output, for a grand total of 6.5 points of damage per round.

Sczarni

Toadkiller Dog wrote:
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He's not a 10th level wizard. He's not even close to 8th according to Rob.

Missing the point. Why would ANY wizard with spells available fight with a melee weapon with his:

- terrible BAB
- terrible Strength score
- terrible feats (for melee)
- terrible weapon

He even can't hit himself on anything but a 20 to inflict on average 3 points of damage. Per round. If you roll a natural 20.

If you're that desperate for just plain damage (which I don't see why would you be, he has PLENTY of spells), he has his Acid Dart power, which targets Touch AC, and uses his Dex of 16, so he'll probably hit something and more than double his damage output, for a grand total of 6.5 points of damage per round.

Uhm if he's surrounded by enemies and in fear for his life? I admit spells are awesome, but not so awesome you can always count on them to save you if you've got overwhelming numbers against you.


And you can count on a longsword that hits 1 in 20 times dealing negligible amount of damage?

If he's in fear for his life more logical choice would be to assume Gaseous Form and flee.

The Exchange

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Toadkiller Dog wrote:

And you can count on a longsword that hits 1 in 20 times dealing negligible amount of damage?

If he's in fear for his life more logical choice would be to assume Gaseous Form and flee.

Gaseous Form is a good way to get killed, unless there tiny holes to escape through. DR10/magic and speed 10 is not a good getaway.

Sczarni

Toadkiller Dog wrote:

And you can count on a longsword that hits 1 in 20 times dealing negligible amount of damage?

If he's in fear for his life more logical choice would be to assume Gaseous Form and flee.

Well at the time I wrote this, I had hoped the PCs wouldn't catch him BEFORE he summoned the vilkas. Unfortunately...that didn't go as planned. Nor did getting him to run via dimensional steps.

I had considered gaseous form, but as shadowfoot pointed out, it's hard to move at speed 10, even if you move between stone.


I'd like to take a very controversial position here and side with the stat block generator. The stat block generator is back engineered alien technology and it doesn't make mistakes. If someone is wrong it has to be us. We don't even fully understand the stat block generator yet or it's awesome power.

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