paizo.com Recent Posts in Sense Motive pumping?paizo.com Recent Posts in Sense Motive pumping?2012-03-05T21:10:57Z2012-03-05T21:10:57ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?gnoamshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#382020-09-13T05:53:29Z2020-09-13T05:53:29Z<p>heh, yeah, I didn't notice that. There's been a lot of thread resurrections lately on these boards.</p>heh, yeah, I didn't notice that. There's been a lot of thread resurrections lately on these boards.gnoams2020-09-13T05:53:29ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?Quixotehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#372020-09-13T02:09:55Z2020-09-13T02:09:55Z<p>Given this post is 6 years old, I doubt the OP will see further responses.</p>Given this post is 6 years old, I doubt the OP will see further responses.Quixote2020-09-13T02:09:55ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?Oli Ironbarhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#362020-09-11T22:09:35Z2020-09-11T22:09:35Z<p>The often overlooked rags to riches spell gives an insight bonus. Useful for most skill maxing.</p>The often overlooked rags to riches spell gives an insight bonus. Useful for most skill maxing.Oli Ironbar2020-09-11T22:09:35ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?gnoamshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#352020-09-11T20:29:34Z2020-09-11T20:29:34Z<p>As a point of reference, if you think your sense motive is good enough, think again. A standard CR7 succubus has a +27 to bluff. The demon lord Nocticula has a +62.</p>As a point of reference, if you think your sense motive is good enough, think again. A standard CR7 succubus has a +27 to bluff. The demon lord Nocticula has a +62.gnoams2020-09-11T20:29:34ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?gnoamshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#342020-09-11T20:19:40Z2020-09-11T20:19:40Z<p>1 level dip in vigilante for the social grace talent gives you a +4 circumstance bonus.</p>
<p>5 levels of Investigator for expanded inspiration and empathy talents. Roll twice and take the highest for all sense motive checks you make, plus add inspiration for free (which is also rolled twice and take the highest).</p>1 level dip in vigilante for the social grace talent gives you a +4 circumstance bonus.
5 levels of Investigator for expanded inspiration and empathy talents. Roll twice and take the highest for all sense motive checks you make, plus add inspiration for free (which is also rolled twice and take the highest).gnoams2020-09-11T20:19:40ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?miknick55https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#332020-09-11T17:39:58Z2020-09-11T17:39:58Z<p>If psionics are on the table, there is the Inquisitor feat. Also, in universal psionic items there are Shards that give a competence bonus to a skill, if you don't already have a competence bonus. They are one-use, though.</p>If psionics are on the table, there is the Inquisitor feat. Also, in universal psionic items there are Shards that give a competence bonus to a skill, if you don't already have a competence bonus. They are one-use, though.miknick552020-09-11T17:39:58ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?Remy Balsterhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#322014-01-23T12:17:48Z2014-01-23T12:17:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Cyberwolf2xs wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Dotted, because I've long thought about playing a Lightman (of the "Lie to Me" series) type of character.
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Of course, that would also require a somewhat maxed bluff skill to go along.</p>
<p>That said, I don't have anything you haven't already mentioned.</p>
<p>If we're done listing possibilities, anyone interestend in creating an actual playable build...?</p>
<p>For maxed Sense Motive, I'd probably go Inquisitor (Exorcist for fun, Heretic for Wis to bluff) with Domain Knowledge (Lore Keeper) or Thought (Read Minds), and mix in Oracle of Lore (for Brain Drain and/or Lore Keeper). </blockquote><p>Bard 2 for Versatile Performance Sing - Now Bluff and Sense Motive go off Sing Perform (Cha based).
<p>Pump Cha instead of Wis. </p>
<p>Skill Focus to Sing</p>
<p>Circlet of Persuasion for +3 to both.</p>
<p>And whatever random other perks that’d boost your Sing checks.</p>Cyberwolf2xs wrote:Dotted, because I've long thought about playing a Lightman (of the "Lie to Me" series) type of character.
Of course, that would also require a somewhat maxed bluff skill to go along.That said, I don't have anything you haven't already mentioned.
If we're done listing possibilities, anyone interestend in creating an actual playable build...?
For maxed Sense Motive, I'd probably go Inquisitor (Exorcist for fun, Heretic for Wis to bluff) with Domain Knowledge (Lore Keeper)...Remy Balster2014-01-23T12:17:48ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?Irontruthhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#312014-01-22T20:42:35Z2014-01-22T20:42:35Z<p>Is there a way to get massive bonuses to Perform (Oratory) or Perform (Sing)? If so, a Bard could use Versatile Performance in place of Sense Motive.</p>
<p>The idea of the court jester who slings nasty jokes at the knight, who gets so angry he can't hit the jester is not an uncommon one.</p>Is there a way to get massive bonuses to Perform (Oratory) or Perform (Sing)? If so, a Bard could use Versatile Performance in place of Sense Motive.
The idea of the court jester who slings nasty jokes at the knight, who gets so angry he can't hit the jester is not an uncommon one.Irontruth2014-01-22T20:42:35ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?Rynjinhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#302014-01-22T20:42:22Z2014-01-22T20:42:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Irontruth wrote:</div><blockquote><br />
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Except you can't use part of Snake Fang if you already used Snake Style. You still get the AoO, but you can't make the second attack since you already used your Immediate Action. I'm looking at playing a monk for a short adventure and too many things want to use my Swift/Immediate Action. You also can't use an Immediate Action on any round you've already used your Swift Action, so if you spend a Ki point to increase your AC, you can't get the second attack from Snake Fang, or replace your AC with Sense Motive. </blockquote><p>So?Irontruth wrote:Except you can't use part of Snake Fang if you already used Snake Style. You still get the AoO, but you can't make the second attack since you already used your Immediate Action. I'm looking at playing a monk for a short adventure and too many things want to use my Swift/Immediate Action. You also can't use an Immediate Action on any round you've already used your Swift Action, so if you spend a Ki point to increase your AC, you can't get the second attack from Snake Fang, or...Rynjin2014-01-22T20:42:22ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?Irontruthhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#292014-01-22T20:29:40Z2014-01-22T20:29:40Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Rynjin wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Ughbash wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">eirip wrote:</div><blockquote> I just looked up snake style. That is just insane. </blockquote><p>Insane? it is IMHO underpowered.
<p>As an IMMEDIATE action (meaning you can do it only once in a round and have no swift action next round), you can replace AC with sense motive for 1 attack.</p>
<p>So if you have 2 people with 3 attacks attacking you, on one of those you can use Sense Motive rather than AC. In most cases boosting AC will serve you a LOT better.</p>
<p>If it allowed you to use that as AC for all attacks from one opponent it would be better and still not replace AC compeltely due to multiple opponents. </blockquote><p>Insane? No.
<p>Underpowered? Hell no.</p>
<p>Awesome Feat. Well balanced, useful, and fun (once you get Snake Fang especially). </blockquote><p>Except you can't use part of Snake Fang if you already used Snake Style. You still get the AoO, but you can't make the second attack since you already used your Immediate Action. I'm looking at playing a monk for a short adventure and too many things want to use my Swift/Immediate Action. You also can't use an Immediate Action on any round you've already used your Swift Action, so if you spend a Ki point to increase your AC, you can't get the second attack from Snake Fang, or replace your AC with Sense Motive.Rynjin wrote:Ughbash wrote: eirip wrote: I just looked up snake style. That is just insane.
Insane? it is IMHO underpowered. As an IMMEDIATE action (meaning you can do it only once in a round and have no swift action next round), you can replace AC with sense motive for 1 attack.
So if you have 2 people with 3 attacks attacking you, on one of those you can use Sense Motive rather than AC. In most cases boosting AC will serve you a LOT better.
If it allowed you to use that as AC for all...Irontruth2014-01-22T20:29:40ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?Burihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#282014-01-22T20:27:13Z2014-01-22T20:18:38Z<p>My level 12 master summoner has a +44 to UMD and has that without sacrificing elsewhere, really. At level 20 that will just be an increase of 8 from levels since I already have the magical aptitude and skill focus feats for it, the headband, and circlet. I'd have to improve the headband to get above a +52. But, really, at level 12 he already outclasses demigods and demon lords with that skill.</p>
<p>Likewise, if you get the same feats and such for sense motive I don't see why you couldn't have similar or more with racial bonuses and class features such as the infiltrator inquisitor.</p>
<p>Just be careful to watch for bonus types. Competence bonuses don't stack.</p>My level 12 master summoner has a +44 to UMD and has that without sacrificing elsewhere, really. At level 20 that will just be an increase of 8 from levels since I already have the magical aptitude and skill focus feats for it, the headband, and circlet. I'd have to improve the headband to get above a +52. But, really, at level 12 he already outclasses demigods and demon lords with that skill.
Likewise, if you get the same feats and such for sense motive I don't see why you couldn't have...Buri2014-01-22T20:18:38ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?snobihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#272014-01-22T20:05:39Z2014-01-22T20:05:39Z<p>"Practicality: Halflings are grounded in hard work and common sense. Halflings with this racial trait gain a +2 bonus on any one Craft or Profession skill, as well as on Sense Motive checks and saves against illusions. This racial trait replaces the fearless and sure-footed racial traits."</p>
<p>I'm sure some other races dish out equal or better bonuses to Sense Motive, but I just happened to run across this.</p>"Practicality: Halflings are grounded in hard work and common sense. Halflings with this racial trait gain a +2 bonus on any one Craft or Profession skill, as well as on Sense Motive checks and saves against illusions. This racial trait replaces the fearless and sure-footed racial traits."
I'm sure some other races dish out equal or better bonuses to Sense Motive, but I just happened to run across this.snobi2014-01-22T20:05:39ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?snobihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#262014-01-22T04:36:28Z2014-01-22T04:36:28Z<p>Unsanctioned Detection (Ultimate Magic)
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You can focus your ability to detect evil for more practical or mundane purposes
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Prerequisite: Detect evil class feature.
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Benefit: As a swift action, you can focus the clarity granted by your detect evil ability to heighten your awareness of other things. This gives you a +10 sacred bonus on Perception and Sense Motive checks for one round. This expends your use of the detect evil class ability for the next 24 hours.</p>Unsanctioned Detection (Ultimate Magic)
You can focus your ability to detect evil for more practical or mundane purposes
Prerequisite: Detect evil class feature.
Benefit: As a swift action, you can focus the clarity granted by your detect evil ability to heighten your awareness of other things. This gives you a +10 sacred bonus on Perception and Sense Motive checks for one round. This expends your use of the detect evil class ability for the next 24 hours.snobi2014-01-22T04:36:28ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?Captain Zoomhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#252014-01-22T04:18:27Z2014-01-22T04:18:27Z<p>Aasimar Inquisitor favored Class bonus is +1/2L on Intimidation, Knowledge and Sense Motive, but only versus outsiders.</p>
<p>Aasimars can also take the Truespeaker racial trait.</p>
<p>Lawbringer Aasimars get +2 racial bonus on Sense Motive.</p>
<p>Aasaimar Wary trait grants +1.</p>
<p>Hellspawn and Beastbrood Tieflings get +2 racial bonus to Sense Motive.</p>
<p>Rangers get Sense Motive bonuses versus favored enemies.</p>
<p>Suspicious Trait grants +1.</p>
<p>Actually, there seems to be alot of traits that grant +1 to Sense Motive.</p>Aasimar Inquisitor favored Class bonus is +1/2L on Intimidation, Knowledge and Sense Motive, but only versus outsiders.
Aasimars can also take the Truespeaker racial trait.
Lawbringer Aasimars get +2 racial bonus on Sense Motive.
Aasaimar Wary trait grants +1.
Hellspawn and Beastbrood Tieflings get +2 racial bonus to Sense Motive.
Rangers get Sense Motive bonuses versus favored enemies.
Suspicious Trait grants +1.
Actually, there seems to be alot of traits that grant +1 to Sense Motive.Captain Zoom2014-01-22T04:18:27ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?Green Smashomancerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#242014-01-22T03:52:45Z2014-01-22T03:52:45Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Thalin wrote:</div><blockquote> You are aware that the sense motive is only against one attack per turn right? You still need to pump your AC up if you want a good AC in general. </blockquote><p>You are aware that the OP points that out in their first post right? Also, +1 to making a polygraph in Golarion.Thalin wrote:You are aware that the sense motive is only against one attack per turn right? You still need to pump your AC up if you want a good AC in general.
You are aware that the OP points that out in their first post right? Also, +1 to making a polygraph in Golarion.Green Smashomancer2014-01-22T03:52:45ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?Rynjinhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#232014-01-22T03:27:13Z2014-01-22T03:27:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Ughbash wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">eirip wrote:</div><blockquote> I just looked up snake style. That is just insane. </blockquote><p>Insane? it is IMHO underpowered.
<p>As an IMMEDIATE action (meaning you can do it only once in a round and have no swift action next round), you can replace AC with sense motive for 1 attack.</p>
<p>So if you have 2 people with 3 attacks attacking you, on one of those you can use Sense Motive rather than AC. In most cases boosting AC will serve you a LOT better.</p>
<p>If it allowed you to use that as AC for all attacks from one opponent it would be better and still not replace AC compeltely due to multiple opponents. </blockquote><p>Insane? No.
<p>Underpowered? Hell no.</p>
<p>Awesome Feat. Well balanced, useful, and fun (once you get Snake Fang especially).</p>Ughbash wrote:eirip wrote: I just looked up snake style. That is just insane.
Insane? it is IMHO underpowered. As an IMMEDIATE action (meaning you can do it only once in a round and have no swift action next round), you can replace AC with sense motive for 1 attack.
So if you have 2 people with 3 attacks attacking you, on one of those you can use Sense Motive rather than AC. In most cases boosting AC will serve you a LOT better.
If it allowed you to use that as AC for all attacks from one...Rynjin2014-01-22T03:27:13ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?Petrus222https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#222014-01-22T01:57:14Z2014-01-22T01:57:14Z<p>Seducers bane (wrist item) gives another +5.
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You could also get another +8 from a skilled synthesist eidolon.</p>Seducers bane (wrist item) gives another +5.
You could also get another +8 from a skilled synthesist eidolon.Petrus2222014-01-22T01:57:14ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?Thalin (alias of Anonymous User 747)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#212013-11-05T13:32:00Z2013-11-05T13:32:00Z<p>You are aware that the sense motive is only against one attack per turn right? You still need to pump your AC up if you want a good AC in general.</p>You are aware that the sense motive is only against one attack per turn right? You still need to pump your AC up if you want a good AC in general.Thalin (alias of Anonymous User 747)2013-11-05T13:32:00ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?Blavehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#202013-11-05T13:09:03Z2013-11-05T13:09:03Z<p>Silver-Tonged Haggler. Trade Subdomain. +1/2 level untyped bonus to sense motive 3 + WIS times per day as a free action.</p>Silver-Tonged Haggler. Trade Subdomain. +1/2 level untyped bonus to sense motive 3 + WIS times per day as a free action.Blave2013-11-05T13:09:03ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?gourry187https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#192013-11-05T12:40:28Z2013-11-05T12:40:28Z<p>Be an inquisitor, static bonus to sense motive equal to 1/2 their level</p>Be an inquisitor, static bonus to sense motive equal to 1/2 their levelgourry1872013-11-05T12:40:28ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?Owlyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#182013-11-05T07:10:21Z2013-11-05T07:10:21Z<p>Your helpful and concerned Cleric friend in the party casts Guidance on you, granting a +1 Competence bonus.</p>Your helpful and concerned Cleric friend in the party casts Guidance on you, granting a +1 Competence bonus.Owly2013-11-05T07:10:21ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?VRMHhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#172013-11-03T20:33:00Z2013-11-03T20:33:00Z<p>The <i>Inexplicable Luck</i> feat, for a +8 once a day.</p>The Inexplicable Luck feat, for a +8 once a day.VRMH2013-11-03T20:33:00ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?Slyph (alias of Stephen Miller 493)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#162013-11-03T09:33:08Z2013-11-03T09:33:08Z<p>If the DM doesn't allow making your own you could use the inquisitor's monocle.</p>If the DM doesn't allow making your own you could use the inquisitor's monocle.Slyph (alias of Stephen Miller 493)2013-11-03T09:33:08ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?SlimGaugehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#152012-03-06T14:49:29Z2012-03-06T14:49:29Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Mergy wrote:</div><blockquote> Once we think of a <a href="http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz5d1r?Masterwork-Tools-A-brainstorm-thread#3" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sense Motive masterwork tool</a>, that'll be a +2 circumstance bonus. </blockquote><p>Somehow I don't think they'll have a polygraph in Golarion, but if some mad wizard has invented one, then that'll be it.Mergy wrote:Once we think of a Sense Motive masterwork tool, that'll be a +2 circumstance bonus.
Somehow I don't think they'll have a polygraph in Golarion, but if some mad wizard has invented one, then that'll be it.SlimGauge2012-03-06T14:49:29ZRe: Forums: Advice: Sense Motive pumping?Cyberwolf2xshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nqky?Sense-Motive-pumping#142012-03-06T14:14:26Z2012-03-06T14:14:26Z<p>Dotted, because I've long thought about playing a Lightman (of the "Lie to Me" series) type of character.
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Of course, that would also require a somewhat maxed bluff skill to go along.</p>
<p>That said, I don't have anything you haven't already mentioned.</p>
<p>If we're done listing possibilities, anyone interestend in creating an actual playable build...?</p>
<p>For maxed Sense Motive, I'd probably go Inquisitor (Exorcist for fun, Heretic for Wis to bluff) with Domain Knowledge (Lore Keeper) or Thought (Read Minds), and mix in Oracle of Lore (for Brain Drain and/or Lore Keeper).</p>Dotted, because I've long thought about playing a Lightman (of the "Lie to Me" series) type of character.
Of course, that would also require a somewhat maxed bluff skill to go along.
That said, I don't have anything you haven't already mentioned.
If we're done listing possibilities, anyone interestend in creating an actual playable build...?
For maxed Sense Motive, I'd probably go Inquisitor (Exorcist for fun, Heretic for Wis to bluff) with Domain Knowledge (Lore Keeper) or Thought (Read...Cyberwolf2xs2012-03-06T14:14:26Z