Chartered Company: The Seventh Veil


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To the gentleman who's introduction was caught in the crossfire when Chris deleted some posts in Community Introductions & Roll Call, I hope you'll consider The Seventh Veil when you're looking for a guild for you and your family. The first few posts in this thread should give you a good feel for what we're about.

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To continue this onward...

Velation: T7V will strive to remove and expose the velation perpetrated by others attempting to hide knowledge that should be shared by all.

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Well, i sure hope that T7V will be what i hope TEO will be too.

And that is Xenophile

;) How else will you get all that knowledge you crave

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(( Imagine this post preceded Gedichtewicht's... ))

Welcoming of players from all walks of life and with all types of positive playstyles.

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Nihimon, your offer was just so obvious we all already assumed it had already been said.

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KitNyx wrote:
Nihimon, your offer was just so obvious we all already assumed it had already been said.

:p

What he said :D

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Nihimon has already acknowledged he will get to my application on Monday, just letting the rest of you know that I have applied to join your august ranks.

Yearning to learn, as yeoman working the land we look for knowledge. We search for yesterday, following the yardang to seek out the relics that emerge from the shifting sands.

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Good choice of "Y"s, well done...thank you.

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Zorro- TSV members should run around in black masks foiling the plans tyrannical authorities and charming the opposite gender with sharp wit and graceful swordplay.

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Andius wrote:
Zorro- TSV members should run around in black masks foiling the plans tyrannical authorities and charming the opposite gender with sharp wit and graceful swordplay.

We're actually quite a bit more open-minded than that :)

Otherwise, spot-on, and a very welcome thought from a good friend :)

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Andius wrote:
Zorro- TSV members should run around in black masks foiling the plans tyrannical authorities and charming the opposite gender with sharp wit and graceful swordplay.

I see my rogue having to slip out of town in the middle of the night because of all the women he charmed chasing him to force marriage upon him. :P

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Just for good measure:

Zwischenzug: It is what we are doing now..and probably our preferred tactic.

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how about zenspreading? ;)

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TSV (at the moment) intends to be Neutral, some of us, like me, are militantly so...believing any extreme is bad due to its desire to censure its opposite. Others of us are neutral in that either through pragmatic tolerance we realize information can be found anywhere...or a true indifference to the wars between good and evil, law and chaos. Technically, this neutrality allows us to cater to any alignment (RP-wise, within game mechanics).

What we are not neutral on is our stance on promoting positive game play. If, for instance, Reputation remains a metric used to measure "positive gameplay", we will do everything in our power to promote and empower those with positive rep...and to fight those with negative.

As an update: TSV is currently working on several initiatives. Among them is the start of the duty granularization briefly discussed here.

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Ok, enough Z-words, you guys have finished, time to party! Free Empyrean Spirit at our tavern The Seraph's Kiss for all Viel members.

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i before e except after c, or when making the sound of an a as in Veil :-)

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The Seventh Duck! (Veal I know.) Just curious if you guys have expanded on your lore at all?

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Well, KitNyx has been expounding on it over on our forums, but that's not really the same thing :)

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Me?

/feign innocence

Well of course I have...that is what I do.

KitNyx, TSV Internal Forums: What do you see TSV as? wrote:

In a high pitched voice tainted by an gnomish accent and an odd, almost Fey cadence:

Forencith wrote:

Much of this is speculation and distant correlation on my part...but I propose The Caeruxi are a bloodline. Eight or nine millenia ago, a race called the Caeruxi crossed from the First World to Golarion. We do not know why, how, where...although I suspect it is no coincidence we find ourselves being drawn to the River Kingdoms.

These people, using the last of their First World magic, shaped themselves into the various species they found on Golarion...giving up their Fey, and their link to The First World. For many years, they lived as a single culture, hiding in plain sight.

Of course, being from the First World, the Caeruxi tried to conquer the limitations the gods have placed on the material realm, the ability to shape reality is a difficult gift to abandon. The origins of our philosophies were born, the nature of the universe must be universal by definition...hence any differences in properties must be artificial, illusions only...like all illusions, the key to dispelling them comes with the realization of their nature...

...but my apologies... I get sidetracked...

Some catastrophe, probably Starfall, or parhaps one of the many wars that have plagued Golarion's history, scattered the Caeruxi. For survival the refugees hid within the cultures of their respective physical forms. Eventually...cut from the magic of the First World, they grew old and died...their children grew old and died...and their children grew old and died. The Caeruxi were all but forgotten.

Now I think, our blood calls. Something...or someone...for the first time in history is calling our blood together. Perhaps...hmmm...intriguing...

The voice trails off in the general direction of the library.

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For the record, The Seventh Veil currently intends to be a supporter of The River Freedoms.

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While I like most of the River Freedoms, how would you define and apply "You have what you hold."

Based on my interpretation it seems to go strongly against some of the stances taken by TSV.

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KitNyx wrote:
For the record, The Seventh Veil currently intends to be a supporter of The River Freedoms.

And Freedom in general, too!

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Andius wrote:

While I like most of the River Freedoms, how would you define and apply "You have what you hold."

Based on my interpretation it seems to go strongly against some of the stances taken by TSV.

It depends on how you interpret it. If someone doesn't like the way we interpret it, I'll refer them to River Freedom #1: Say What You Will, I Live Free!

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Perhaps. My interpretation is it's acceptable to and "honorable" steal that old lady's rocking chair as long as you grab her and hurl her out of it from the front instead of pushing her out from behind.

The only redeeming feature is I would also think it means it's ok if I then come along and take that rocking chair and bash your head in with it, provided I come from in-front of you. I wouldn't bank on me coming from the front though. ;)

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Andius wrote:

While I like most of the River Freedoms, how would you define and apply "You have what you hold."

Based on my interpretation it seems to go strongly against some of the stances taken by TSV.

May I ask, which stance do you feel it might violate?

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The "might makes right" style of this law doesn't seem to jive with TSV's stance against players being jerks to each other. Replace the little old lady with a newb just outside the safezone. Do you really consider it honorable for a vet to rob him as long as he comes from in-front and "gives him a chance to resist"?

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I agree we will have to find a balance between the OOC metric of Reputation and the IC positions represented by the River Freedoms. I do not think the two have to mutually exclusive, and am dedicated to both causes.

My only recourse at the moment however, is to wait and find out how Reputation ends up.

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The newly arrived Pharasma-marked in our territory are on our territory, and so long as we hold that territory we will prevent any robberies of that nature.

"You have what you hold" means that the rules we set apply only where we can enforce them; other settlements are free to sponsor companies that extort everyone in their area who doesn't join up, but nobody is allowed to do that on our turf, including us.

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That's an interesting interpretation but matches the ideals I understand TSV to have much better.

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Andius wrote:
That's an interesting interpretation but matches the ideals I understand TSV to have much better.

Thanks for prompting us to share it :)


DeciusBrutus wrote:
other settlements are free to sponsor companies that extort everyone in their area who doesn't join up, but nobody is allowed to do that on our turf, including us.

Any settlements in particular? >:-)

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Qallz wrote:
DeciusBrutus wrote:
other settlements are free to sponsor companies that extort everyone in their area who doesn't join up, but nobody is allowed to do that on our turf, including us.
Any settlements in particular? >:-)

Phaeros will most certainly not engage in extortion of new players in any area, but it would be premature to say much more than that on this particular subject.

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Qallz wrote:
Andius wrote:

The Seventh Veil is true neutral as an organization, but in no way affiliated with Pax.

TEO has an alliance with TSV that goes back to shortly after our founding on PFO because of our shared interest in community betterment.

Hm, that's interesting considering that TSV has NE as one of their preferred alignments, but, then again, that's to be expected from a TN guild I suppose.

Not to be confused with Reputation Neutrality. We are dedicated to encouraging "positive game-play" as defined by GW.

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If Ryan is correct about Chaotic Evil being the spot on the Alignment Map that reads "Beyond here be a~$%%*+s", then yeah, we won't tolerate them any more than we tolerate Low Reputation.

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Nihimon wrote:
If Ryan is correct about Chaotic Evil being the spot on the Alignment Map that reads "Beyond here be a$**%&!s", then yeah, we won't tolerate them any more than we tolerate Low Reputation.

If, however, it is possible to be CE and high Reputation I think we would be mistaken to categorically reject CE for CE alone.

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I sincerely hope they find a way to hamstring CE Low REP that does not significantly impact CE High REP. Not that it's worth anything, but I agree with KitNyx =)

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