Potion of Fireball


Rules Questions


If I make a potion of fireball, what happens if I drink it? Does it allow you to cast fireball or does it make you the target of the Fireball?

Sovereign Court

You are ground zero of the detonation (the target).

Liberty's Edge

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You can't make a potion of fireball. It don't target creatures or objects.

PRD wrote:


A potion is a magic liquid that produces its effect when imbibed. Potions vary incredibly in appearance. Magic oils are similar to potions, except that oils are applied externally rather than imbibed. A potion or oil can be used only once. It can duplicate the effect of a spell of up to 3rd level that has a casting time of less than 1 minute and targets one or more creatures or objects.

Lantern Lodge

here is how i would handle a "Potion of Fireball". treat it like a freaking hand grenade. you toss it at a square, the square it lands on is the center of the detonation.

but the rules are kind of iffy on it because fireball technically isn't legal potion fodder.


deusvult wrote:
You are ground zero of the detonation (the target).

Great! So I can make a potion of fireball and then use Beguiling Gift to get somebody to drink it?

Sovereign Court

darth_borehd wrote:
deusvult wrote:
You are ground zero of the detonation (the target).
Great! So I can make a potion of fireball and then use Beguiling Gift to get somebody to drink it?

Well Diego Rossi is right, Fireball isn't a good example, but there are plenty of other spells that would be perfetly legal examples to pass via Beguiling Gift. "Here, drink this Potion of Cause Serious Wounds.. you'll Liiiiiiike it!"


Or Scorching Ray?

Liberty's Edge

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darth_borehd wrote:
Or Scorching Ray?

Technically right. I don't love it much but it perfectly legal.

deusvult wrote:


Well Diego Rossi is right, Fireball isn't a good example, but there are plenty of other spells that would be perfetly legal examples to pass via Beguiling Gift. "Here, drink this Potion of Cause Serious Wounds.. you'll Liiiiiiike it!"

I would give the target a bonus to the ST if you were to say that, but that is how the spell work.

I see the RAI of Beguiling Gift as a "Whitesnow apple" gift, something harmful disguised as something positive or harmless.
As written I could force you to drink molten lead if you fail the ST and I was offering it in a fireproof mug (and there is no way to determine the damage of drinking molten lead).


What would you suggest as the best to use with Beguiling Gift?

Sovereign Court

There's another thread around here somewhere about Beguiling Gift with all sorts of possibilities.

One that I recall is handing a Druid a steel shield. "Here ya go buddy! Oops, you didn't want your class powers, did you?"

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Companion Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Offering poison saying it is something helpful, potion of cause wounds saying it is a cure wounds and so on.
There are plenty of uses, simply the harmful part donning or eating the preferred object shouldn't be so evident.
I see it as a "social" spell not a spell to cast in combat.

Another cheesy way to use it is to memorize it several times and, for example, offer a coat or a pair of pants in the middle of combat. "Here, it is cold, don this nice coat." Target drop weapon and shield and start donning the coat. Next turn "Here, put up this pants." Target start unbuckling his pants.
All the above while 5 other guys are hacking him .......

If I should be rendered incapable to act at least use Hold person, I would die with some dignity left.


Potions are restricted to 3rd level spells so maybe blindness deafness or ghoul touch. Of course these are fort saves, and the person who is the most likely to fail the will save to accept it is most likely to make the fort save, but that is the best I can think of other than trying to get them to drink poison which is very expensive.


Does the target get a saving throw from the potion consumed?

I guess ISW isn't too bad in that case, but it hampers ideas like Hold Person.

Edit: Tell them there's something nice inside

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Companion Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber
Ghoul touch wrote:

Range touch
Target living humanoid touched

Imbuing you with negative energy, this spell allows you to paralyze a single living humanoid for the duration of the spell with a successful melee touch attack.

Hmm.

The range say touch, so in theory you can give the capacity to use ghoul touch to the creature touched while casting the spell.
Then the spell say "you", and that usually mean only the caster (and that would make it a personal range spell).

In either interpretation the your idea will not work wraithstrike.
If it give the capacity to use a ghoul touch it would ba a beneficial potion, if it is a personal spell it can't be made into a potion.

Sovereign Court

Archaeik wrote:

Does the target get a saving throw from the potion consumed?

I guess ISW isn't too bad in that case, but it hampers ideas like Hold Person.

Edit: Tell them there's something nice inside

If you're of sufficient capabilities to craft your own cursed items, Beguiling Gift is a fine way to deploy them.

I was thinking Necklace of Strangulation, myself :)


I thought ghoul touch was a target based spell in the sense of charm person. I see now that it won't work.


I've said it before, I'll say it again- Manacles of Cooperation have go to be the best target if not one of the best targets for beguiling gift. Once they 'use' the manacles by putting them on, you can make them drink poison or molten lead simply by asking over and over again until they fail the will save. And they'll never try to escape.

I also think Hideous Laughter would make a great potion to slip somebody. Prone and unable to take actions for 50 GP (bard)? Nice.


darth_borehd wrote:
What would you suggest as the best to use with Beguiling Gift?

I like the Robe of Powerlessness. It's extremely inexpensive to craft by botching a robe of useful items or some other cheap robe, can be re-used, and has an instant and devastating effect.


Hmm...

My personal favorite has always, and will always be, to give them a potion.... Of my favorite spell....

SPONTANEOUS IMMOLATION! Or: How I learned to stop caring and spontaneously combust.


Sooo this is 3 years late but I was working with an Investigator for Wrath of the Righteous and there's a mythic Brew Potion to where you can brew ANY level of spell available and it is technically possible to turn like a fireball or a meteor swarm into potion form provided you have the necessary ingredients and how they would work would be an interesting thing. Hand-grenade makes sense, but centered on you could also work. With Meteor Swarm, however....I wonder if it would be you drink the potion and your body is coursing with magical power to where you'll be able to call down the meteors or whether you throw it and you just get the 1 40ft meteor?


Unless the ability allows you to ignore the fact that potions can only be created from spells with specific targets, you simply can't make them.


Lurk3r wrote:

I've said it before, I'll say it again- Manacles of Cooperation have go to be the best target if not one of the best targets for beguiling gift. Once they 'use' the manacles by putting them on, you can make them drink poison or molten lead simply by asking over and over again until they fail the will save. And they'll never try to escape.

It does specify "reasonable request", so molten lead is out. Poison might work if you disguise it as something harmless, though


There's no good reason you shouldn't be able to brew an Oil of Fireball that explodes at the point of its application [and be able to apply it to a point-of-impact with a thrown touch attack] but it is expressly prohibited by the rules of Brew Potion.

Technically the rules do permit the creation of a similar 'use-activated item' with the same pricing as potions by way of the Craft Wondrous Item feat though.


Personally, I'm fine with that idea. But RAW says no.


Mythic Brew Potion only removes the level limit. It doesn't change the other limits on what kind of spells can be made into potions.

Grand Lodge

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darth_borehd wrote:
If I make a potion of fireball, what happens if I drink it? Does it allow you to cast fireball or does it make you the target of the Fireball?

See prior threads of Potion of Magic Missle.

Yes, you are the target of the spell.. WITH NO SAVING THROW.

However by the rules for Brew Potion, such a potion can not be made.


I always carried around a stick for beguiling gift. At the time we were in the jungle and anaconda abounded. Seemed a good way to save a friend.

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