Slithery D |
Prying Eyes creates sensors with a 30' fly speed that obey your command and know everything you know as they carry them out.
Can they run to reach their observation objective or return to the caster as fast as possible? This seems to be at the intersection of two rules questions that I couldn't find a definitive answer to: (1) can flying creatures run and (2) can creatures (or temporary spell constructs) without a Con score but with a movement speed run?
Given how fragile they are and their non-offensive purpose it doesn't seem like a balance problem to allow it, but I'm wondering if the two questions above have a more definite resolution than I know.
OldSkoolRPG |
2)Why would lack of a Con score mean a creature couldn't run?Good question. I would hope so but RAW apparently not.
Because a creature without a Con score can run their Con score(0) rounds and then must make a Con check (which they don't have) to keep running.
You can run for a number of rounds equal to your Constitution score, but after that you must make a DC 10 Constitution check to continue running.
Edit: Not saying they can't just that rule is the reason some think they can't.
OldSkoolRPG |
The eyes don't have a Con (0), they simply don't have a Con score.
Like undead or constructs, they would not be required to make a Con check.
I was just looking that up and apparently that isn't how it works for undead and constructs. Undead use their charisma score in place of Con and constructs are treated as having a 10 Con for purpose of Con based effects.
No Constitution score. Any DCs or other statistics that rely on a Constitution score treat a construct as having a score of 10 (no bonus or penalty).
No Constitution score. Undead use their Charisma score in place of their Constitution score when calculating hit points, Fortitude saves, and any special ability that relies on Constitution (such as when calculating a breath weapon's DC).
Edit: The spell says each eye is a "fine construct" so they would use the construct rules for running. So they are treated as having a 10 con meaning they can run for 10 rounds and then must make a con check using 10 as their con to continue running.
Snowlilly |
Snowlilly wrote:The eyes don't have a Con (0), they simply don't have a Con score.
Like undead or constructs, they would not be required to make a Con check.
I was just looking that up and apparently that isn't how it works for undead and constructs. Undead use their charisma score in place of Con and constructs are treated as having a 10 Con for purpose of Con based effects.
Construct wrote:No Constitution score. Any DCs or other statistics that rely on a Constitution score treat a construct as having a score of 10 (no bonus or penalty).Undead wrote:No Constitution score. Undead use their Charisma score in place of their Constitution score when calculating hit points, Fortitude saves, and any special ability that relies on Constitution (such as when calculating a breath weapon's DC).
Then given the constitution rules
A character with a Constitution score of 0 is dead.
We must do one of the following:
1. Treat the eyes as a construct
•Constructs do not have a Constitution score. Any DCs or other Statistics that rely on a Constitution score treat a construct as having a score of 10 (no bonus or penalty).
2. Rule that the eyes instantly die upon being summoned.
3. Hand wave the concept of constitution rules applying to spells not otherwise stated.
OldSkoolRPG |
OldSkoolRPG wrote:Snowlilly wrote:The eyes don't have a Con (0), they simply don't have a Con score.
Like undead or constructs, they would not be required to make a Con check.
I was just looking that up and apparently that isn't how it works for undead and constructs. Undead use their charisma score in place of Con and constructs are treated as having a 10 Con for purpose of Con based effects.
Construct wrote:No Constitution score. Any DCs or other statistics that rely on a Constitution score treat a construct as having a score of 10 (no bonus or penalty).Undead wrote:No Constitution score. Undead use their Charisma score in place of their Constitution score when calculating hit points, Fortitude saves, and any special ability that relies on Constitution (such as when calculating a breath weapon's DC).Then given the constitution rules
Quote:A character with a Constitution score of 0 is dead.We must do one of the following:
1. Treat the eyes as a construct
Quote:•Constructs do not have a Constitution score. Any DCs or other Statistics that rely on a Constitution score treat a construct as having a score of 10 (no bonus or penalty).2. Rule that the eyes instantly die upon being summoned.
3. Hand wave the concept of constitution rules applying to spells not otherwise stated.
They eyes are a construct. The spell specifically states that they are.
Each eye is a Fine construct, about the size of a small apple
Snowlilly |
They eyes are a construct. The spell specifically states that they are.
Prying Eyes wrote:Each eye is a Fine construct, about the size of a small apple
Per quoted rules: Constructs do not have a Con score and use a value of 10 for their constitution should a check be required.
Not having a constitution score is not equivalent to having a zero Con.
OldSkoolRPG |
OldSkoolRPG wrote:They eyes are a construct. The spell specifically states that they are.
Prying Eyes wrote:Each eye is a Fine construct, about the size of a small applePer quoted rules: Constructs do not have a Con score and use a value of 10 for their constitution should a check be required.
Not having a constitution score is not equivalent to having a zero Con.
That is correct. If you were thinking I was arguing that point because in my earlier post I had stated their con would be 0 I'm not. I was wrong and now understand how constructs Con works.