Now that a new edition has been announced how show 4th edition end?


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There is almost no reason to continue buying 4th edition items because we aren't too sure if it's going to be compatible. And if they announce that it will be keeping up with that statement is hard since some 4th edition items aren't current with 4th edition since all of the updates and errata, look at magic missile.

That makes me thing of what I wanted from 4th and what came out. Being that the system is closing out I am not wanting any rules or classes, but I would like to have 1 book that was the game system 4th in completion. A book that had the updated rules for the core classes with all of the errata and rules from insider, everything in one place where it would not be changed later since 4th support will be stopped. A sort of “complete 4th Compendium”, even it were a download but a one time purchase that has the complete 4th edition game.

Not adding any new rules or classes what product would you want to close out 4th edition?


Actually there are good reasons to keep buying 4e products. First off, 4e is still an interesting and fun game. Now that it it coming to an end, I will probably look to pick up some of the interesting products I missed. There are also a lot of 4e products such as monsters vault which while primerally 4e products, have a fair amount of usefullness for other roleplaying games.


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Souphin wrote:

There is almost no reason to continue buying 4th edition items because we aren't too sure if it's going to be compatible. And if they announce that it will be keeping up with that statement is hard since some 4th edition items aren't current with 4th edition since all of the updates and errata, look at magic missile.

That makes me thing of what I wanted from 4th and what came out. Being that the system is closing out I am not wanting any rules or classes, but I would like to have 1 book that was the game system 4th in completion. A book that had the updated rules for the core classes with all of the errata and rules from insider, everything in one place where it would not be changed later since 4th support will be stopped. A sort of “complete 4th Compendium”, even it were a download but a one time purchase that has the complete 4th edition game.

Not adding any new rules or classes what product would you want to close out 4th edition?

A world book (like the axed gazetteer of nentir vale) and something urban flavored (waterdeep sourcebook would be my choice).

In my perfect world, a totally updated offline character builder.


I'm probably going to be picking up the same books I would have without the 5th edition announcement. Just like I kept playing 3.5 after 4th edition was released, I will probably continue to play 4th after 5th edition is released.

I have been really liking the latest books in the line, like Essentials and Heroes of the Feywild and I am still looking forward to Heroes of the Elemental Wild coming out soon. It doesn't even matter in my mind if it is incompatible or not.

And what about magic missile? Last time I looked the only books that didn't have the latest version were the first Player's Handbook from several years ago. I wouldn't be buying an updated Player's Handbook with applied errata. That isn't worth the value for me.

Ignoring the likelyhood of success and really hoping for a good quality, I would want more Campaign Setting books, like Planescape and Spelljammer (with a bit less silly).


I see no reason not to continue to pickup dungeon tiles and map packs which have universal usefulness regardless of edition. The new miniatures that are coming out, in addition to possibly being a fun skirmish game, will have usefulness at any D&D table. Some of the adventures, while they'll require conversion to varying degrees if you don't play 4E might be an ok choice on a case by case basis too.

I think that at a high level the only books I'd probably avoid for sure would be heavy crunch books with feats or powers or the like. Fluff if you like it works with any edition.

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Legendarius wrote:

I see no reason not to continue to pickup dungeon tiles and map packs which have universal usefulness regardless of edition. The new miniatures that are coming out, in addition to possibly being a fun skirmish game, will have usefulness at any D&D table. Some of the adventures, while they'll require conversion to varying degrees if you don't play 4E might be an ok choice on a case by case basis too.

I think that at a high level the only books I'd probably avoid for sure would be heavy crunch books with feats or powers or the like. Fluff if you like it works with any edition.

L

Thanks to DDI I haven't really bought any "crunch" books for quite some time now. It'll be nice to be able to switch to 5e and not really feel like I'll never get any use out of my 4e books again. Assuming they keep DDI up and running, I'll always be able to return to 4e.

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I really don't see them keeping DDI running indefinately. I think that after 5e releases, you've probably got at best a year. I do think they might try and do something to smooth over the shutting down of it, like releasing most of the DDI tools / information on DVD-ROM. At least that's how I would do it if I were in charge.


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Kthulhu wrote:
I really don't see them keeping DDI running indefinately. I think that after 5e releases, you've probably got at best a year. I do think they might try and do something to smooth over the shutting down of it, like releasing most of the DDI tools / information on DVD-ROM. At least that's how I would do it if I were in charge.

I think the DDI has been the best feature of 4E. I wouldnt be surprised if the 'next iteration' is released primarily via that format. Supporting 4E at the same time may be as easy as the way they support both pre-essentials and post-essentials character classes.

They've already begun to put out more electronic-only product than print. I dont see any reason to think that they won't continue to evolve in that direction.


Steve Geddes wrote:
They've already begun to put out more electronic-only product than print. I dont see any reason to think that they won't continue to evolve in that direction.

Digital support is a low-overhead way to boost revenue. I can't imagine why they wouldn't continue to support 4E stuff. Failure to do so would result in a loss of customers who don't want to got to 5E. Hopefully WotC has learned that lesson already!


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I think they've also seen the benefit of a subscription service. As their book production has scaled back, the DDI hasn't remained static but has increased (adventures are longer than they used to be, for example).

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If you're a fan of 4E then finish up your collection of books and think of it as "finished" or "complete" instead of "dead".

So yes, there are exactly the same reasons to buy the 4E releases from here until they complete the publication run on the line as you had before this announcement.


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Chuck Wright wrote:

If you're a fan of 4E then finish up your collection of books and think of it as "finished" or "complete" instead of "dead".

So yes, there are exactly the same reasons to buy the 4E releases from here until they complete the publication run on the line as you had before this announcement.

This is my view too, the only niggling doubt being the DDI subscription.

I'm becoming more confident that I'll still have access to 4E tools, even if it shifts focus to a "new iteration". Nonetheless, it will be nice when that's in place.

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Steve Geddes wrote:
Chuck Wright wrote:

If you're a fan of 4E then finish up your collection of books and think of it as "finished" or "complete" instead of "dead".

So yes, there are exactly the same reasons to buy the 4E releases from here until they complete the publication run on the line as you had before this announcement.

This is my view too, the only niggling doubt being the DDI subscription.

I'm becoming more confident that I'll still have access to 4E tools, even if it shifts focus to a "new iteration". Nonetheless, it will be nice when that's in place.

If I were the dude in charge of the DDI I would make the whole thing available as a downloadable and physical product once the support slows down.

It's a much better option for everyone other than letting all of that marketable, money-making effort go "poof".


Steve Geddes wrote:
Souphin wrote:


A world book (like the axed gazetteer of nentir vale) and something urban flavored (waterdeep sourcebook would be my choice).

I prefer Pathfinder over 4E, but Nentir Vale was something I was actually wanting to buy. I think Fallcrest is a fantastic starting area, and if my E6 Eberron game gets off the ground again, it will be mostly there. So, basically, I wish they would publish what they have.


What I expect from DDI:

All the 4E stuff will still be there, but you will have to pay monthly for it. Meanwhile 5E content will start being delivered over DDI as the 4E updates drop off. So the 4E tools aren't quite dead, but the value proposition has changed if you don't have any use for these 5E things. Ideally you eventually capitulate with all this 5E content coming out, and the corporate overlords are pleased.

What might throw a wrench in this plan: if 5E uses OGL, much of the "crunch" may be free anyway.

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In all seriousness, if I have to pay monthly fee to get decent use out of 5E I won't support the edition.


Chuck Wright wrote:
In all seriousness, if I have to pay monthly fee to get decent use out of 5E I won't support the edition.

I think that's going to be an atitude that WotC will have to face, and not in just a few people. I doubt the DDI will be used for 5E.


I pay a monthly fee to Paizo for the AP, I pay a monthly fee to WotC for DDI, I pay a monthly fee to Blizzard and another to Bioware for MMO subscriptions.

I buy pizza and soda and chips and Oreos for my gaming group.

You gotta pay to play.


Kirwyn wrote:

I pay a monthly fee to Paizo for the AP, I pay a monthly fee to WotC for DDI, I pay a monthly fee to Blizzard and another to Bioware for MMO subscriptions.

I buy pizza and soda and chips and Oreos for my gaming group.

You gotta pay to play.

This.

Our hobby isn't free.

It's just incredibly cheap compared to just about anything else you could spend an afternoon with friends doing.


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Jerry Wright 307 wrote:
I think that's going to be an atitude that WotC will have to face, and not in just a few people. I doubt the DDI will be used for 5E.

I agree with you that many people will resist it. Nonetheless, although it doesnt suit me personally, I think the DDI is one of the most successful features of 4E and I'd be surprised if it wasn't expanded in the future.

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Scott Betts wrote:
Kirwyn wrote:

I pay a monthly fee to Paizo for the AP, I pay a monthly fee to WotC for DDI, I pay a monthly fee to Blizzard and another to Bioware for MMO subscriptions.

I buy pizza and soda and chips and Oreos for my gaming group.

You gotta pay to play.

This.

Our hobby isn't free.

It's just incredibly cheap compared to just about anything else you could spend an afternoon with friends doing.

MMOs are much cheaper, by the way. 5 to 7 sizable rule books cost more than a year's subscription.

I don't need to buy the rulebooks and then pay a monthly fee on top of it. If I like the game they will already be getting plenty of money off of me for book purchases.

Simply because I refuse to pay a monthly fee on top of it to do so doesn't mean that I don't understand that our hobby isn't free.

What I understand is that I won't be able to take full advantage of the system if I don't. That makes me feel coerced into paying an extra fee to stay current. I don't like that feeling.


Chuck Wright wrote:
Scott Betts wrote:
Kirwyn wrote:

I pay a monthly fee to Paizo for the AP, I pay a monthly fee to WotC for DDI, I pay a monthly fee to Blizzard and another to Bioware for MMO subscriptions.

I buy pizza and soda and chips and Oreos for my gaming group.

You gotta pay to play.

This.

Our hobby isn't free.

It's just incredibly cheap compared to just about anything else you could spend an afternoon with friends doing.

MMOs are much cheaper, by the way. 5 to 7 sizable rule books cost more than a year's subscription.

I don't need to buy the rulebooks and then pay a monthly fee on top of it. If I like the game they will already be getting plenty of money off of me for book purchases.

Simply because I refuse to pay a monthly fee on top of it to do so doesn't mean that I don't understand that our hobby isn't free.

What I understand is that I won't be able to take full advantage of the system if I don't. That makes me feel coerced into paying an extra fee to stay current. I don't like that feeling.

Right, but many of us see little need for many of the rulebooks when the material is available via subscription. I pay about $60 per year and really don't need to buy books as a result. I buy adventures and game aids, but not much in the way of physical rulebooks.

Liberty's Edge

I would be very suprised if 5E would not have some form of DDI. It's extra revenue for Wotc. Why should they take a hit in profit because a few fans don't want to pay the fee. I'm not happy that I have to pay a fee to use DDI yet I get so much for a small fee. I would not be surprised that in the event of Pathfinder 2E that the Paizo SRD would no longer be free.

As Scotts mentions I too would rather pay the 60$ fee then give myself a hernia lugging books from place to place.


I'm not so much looking for a wrap up of 4th edition as I am hoping they fill in the blanks still left before they stop producing stuff for the system.

Game mechanics-wise, I'm still hoping for mass combat and kingdom building rules, plus I wouldn't mind some attention payed to epic play.

Also, as a huge fan of the Essentials classes, I'm hoping they finish out the sub-themes such as the remaining domains for the warpriest, seasonal builds for the sentinel druid, more virtues for the cavalier, schools for the mage and even some different weapon focuses for the knight and slayer.


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I am hoping they will give us a Heroes of the Far Realms before moving on to 5ED. This would be a good time to show us how crazy they can be with Classes and builds.

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Not with a bang but a whimper?


Honestly I would love to see a Massive (and probably expensive but I can hope itd be cheap) Tome of Heroes or something that was a collection of all the published classes and options for character building and errataed and finished etc. So all my fighter options in one place, etc, all the feats in one place. Then a Gear book that combines all the published gear and magic items. Finally a Massive Tome of Horrors style deal with every published monster, all made sure they are up to mm3 standards. That would be the most amazing thing. Never going to happen, but we aren't talking expectations, were talking desires here :P

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