Forced adherence to WBL assumes the devs didn't know what they were doing when it came to crafting so we should follow assumed RAI. Why would the devs know what they were doing when they made the game? Why would the devs model crafting on a real world idea where people practice to make money? Why haven't the devs changed the mechanics for crafting even though it makes crafters money which could push a PC beyond the WBL?
Except that this interpretation relies on the relative value paid to acquire the item. If you use a relative value the WBL chart serves no purpose.
Your argument is predicated on the fact that crafting acquires the item at a different price. Once we accept this fact, all items must be measured by the price the item is acquired for. There's nothing in the text of the feat that says characters are treated differently for WBL, it only changes their relationship to the item's cost.
Crafting feats do not identify a direct relationship to WBL.
Crafting feats do identify a direct relationship to item cost.
Therefore, it is the items relative cost that affects WBL.
Since an items relative cost affects WBL, than this standard applies to all characters, since Crafting feats do not change WBL, they change item price.
Except that this interpretation relies on the relative value paid to acquire the item. If you use a relative value the WBL chart serves no purpose.
Your argument is predicated on the fact that crafting acquires the item at a different price. It is. This is stated in the crafting abilities. 1/3 the base cost for mundane items. 1/2 the base cost for magical items. Once we accept this fact, all items must be measured by the price the item is acquired for. There's nothing in the text of the feat that says characters are treated differently for WBL, it only changes their relationship to the item's cost. You just confirmed the predicate you stated earlier.
Crafting feats do not identify a direct relationship to WBL. That's why this thread exists.
Crafting feats do identify a direct relationship to item cost. Yes.
Therefore, it is the items relative cost that affects WBL.
Since an items relative cost affects WBL, than this standard applies to all characters, since Crafting feats do not change WBL, they change item price. Yes.
....but if rules support this who am I to eliminate it entirely. The devs created a fun game and I try to follow the rules they've written instead of house ruling everything.Who you are? You're the bloody Games master, that's who you are. As Gary Gygax would have put it in his diatribe against 3.X; Somewhere along the road we seem to have forgotten just what that means.
Problem with just relying on RAW is.... the rules don't take everything into account. They will allow things that will destroy a game more effectively than this argument over WBL. It's why we moderate this game with Humans instead of computers, it's not feasible to run any campaign, including PFS itself, without houseruling. PFS has it's own set of house rules in the Campaign Guidelines.
Yet, Paizo decided to make an MMO based on Pathfinder. :D
You play how you play but to say "if I don't think they're challenged then they don't get xp" is kinda harsh.
Harsh? It's been discussed in the rules since way back in 1e in various forms. If circumstances or level/CR differences make the easier (or harder), the DM should adjust the XP award accordingly.
If you think that playing an MMO on any system is going to be like playing your tabletop games.... your tabletop games must be awful. Playing an MMO is not like playing tabletop save by a major stretch of the imagination.... or really low standards for tabletop play.
The MMO despite what rhetoric may be flowing throw will NOT be based on Pathfinder. It may use a good deal of the proper nouns and have stats that look like Pathfinder stats, but it won't be Pathfinder any more than DDO was Dungeons and Dragons.
I won't go into a long diatribe. Suffice it to say: it's more than possible. All you need for an MMO based on table-top is a very robust rules engine, which is pretty easy to make for PF given the books are very rules-y and quite consistent.
Harsh? It's been discussed in the rules since way back in 1e in various forms. If circumstances or level/CR differences make the easier (or harder), the DM should adjust the XP award accordingly.
Perhaps conceptually. I was just reading the section on awarding xp. Again, just quoting the book. An encounter of a certain CR is worth the same regardless if a group a few levels below fight it or if the group is a few levels above. The only negation comes into play if the group APL is 10 levels above the CR.
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Breaks immersion for me. It's mostly the fact that all the equipment changes around. If it was 'you lose some items if you're WBL is outside of x %, or gain some wealth if it's less than x %' then it might be better, but it still breaks immersion for me.
Easiest solution is to make people starve for loot. Have them with less than the current WBL equivalent, maybe even equivalent to a bit more than one level less. No need to "remove" what they don't have, though a good sunder or steal from times to times if they aren't cautious enough in battle and abou their environment can do marvels.
Then, give them exactly what they wanted for their character as a reward for a specific plot hook - or the possibility to gain this reward. You just saved the kingdom from the impostor ! The King lets you access the Royal Forge to get the finest equipment currently availabe to high-ranked characters. Sadly there isn't much since all high-ranked characters are still at war, but maybe you'll find these Gloves of Dueling/the magesmith can enhance your weapon ? Check how much you can have at your level, you conveniently gain this value in treasures of your choice (still limited by the situation obviously, as some really rare, "useless" or exotic items in an army could not be found without a chance roll), or a bit more if needed to buy several items at once.It's incredible how the "starving character goes through a world of pain + cool plot finished + awesome reward for the finised plot + everyone around the table is happy like if we were opening Christmas presents + no one feels like the s&%*head with two feats has the right to be twice more wealthier" equation is able to make your forget, forgive and handwave how convenient this reward is for everyone around the table.
@Buri: No, you are right. It does need work. I'm playing with a few ideas also, and sort of launched them mid-way. That's my fault--I really haven't had a lot of sleep.
And oiy, this thread got a little heated...
I don't know if Talonhawke is actually suggesting that WBL be strictly adhered to at every level? If so then let me tell you "That way lay madness" WBL is only useful as an arbitrary start point for higher level starts. It is useless in measuring what actual real game parties or individual characters will have if played through each level.
If you want to know what effect the GM enforcing a house rule that locks everyone to the exact WBL entry at each level will have just look to the games that actually use such a rule. Expendables become way more desirable than permanent items because they give you more bang for your gold piece. And groups quickly learn to avoid grabbing any treasure, because that will only reduce the funds they can use at level up to customize a whole new set of personal gear.
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Except that this interpretation relies on the relative value paid to acquire the item. If you use a relative value the WBL chart serves no purpose.
Your argument is predicated on the fact that crafting acquires the item at a different price. It is. This is stated in the crafting abilities. 1/3 the base cost for mundane items. 1/2 the base cost for magical items. Once we accept this fact, all items must be measured by the price the item is acquired for. There's nothing in the text of the feat that says characters are treated differently for WBL, it only changes their relationship to the item's cost. You just confirmed the predicate you stated earlier.
Crafting feats do not identify a direct relationship to WBL. That's why this thread exists.
Crafting feats do identify a direct relationship to item cost. Yes.
Therefore, it is the items relative cost that affects WBL.
Since an items relative cost affects WBL, than this standard applies to all characters, since Crafting feats do not change WBL, they change item price. Yes.
Then you agree. If my character acquires a Holy Avenger for 1g, it only counts for 1g worth of his WBL.
Items found in a hoard (free) do not count at all for WBL. This logical process makes WBL meaningless and not even worth reading for new GM's as it serves no purpose.
Then you agree. If my character acquires a Holy Avenger for 1g, it only counts for 1g worth of his WBL.
In terms of starting gold, yes. However, the GM is still free to adjust encounters and treasure how they see fit.
Items found in a hoard (free) do not count at all for WBL. This logical process makes WBL meaningless and not even worth reading for new GM's as it serves no purpose.
All WBL is at character creation is an amount of gold. If you have an ability that says you can acquire a Holy Avenger for 1 gp then all you've spent of your starting cash is 1 gp and you have the rest to do with as you choose. However, I wouldn't expect a GM to keep future treasure rewards the same if such an ability existed.
Wait,
Everyone in here has been applying this stupid essay to PF, and saying it should be followed like a religion, and now you want to only apply the logic to 3.0? Seriously? Seriously?Ok, I concede that you are correct, and Alexandrian Philosphers are 100% correct. All of the essay is 100% correct.
As applied to 3.0.
It goes to garbage for 3.5 and PF. Please take any future references to the Alexandrian Texts to a 3.0 forum? Thanks.
I wonder if it's really worth responding to this, but I really feel like most people (you included) are missing the point on the essay in question.
The essay is 'calibrating your expectations', and that notion applies, really, to any system...every system even.. To quote from the beginning:
This essay should also be understood as something more than a defense of the game from illegitimate critique. That defense is, in fact, almost an unintentional consequence of what this essay is actually about: Providing a useful resource for those who want a deeper understanding of what the numbers really mean
The numbers he provided were, of course, pulled from the system he was discussing at the time, but if he'd been making the same argument for Shadowrun, AD&D, HERO, or Vampire, I'm sure he'd have used numbers and examples that supported his point (if it was possible).
The specific numbers and examples that he used probably don't apply to pathfinder. They started to fall apart in places with 3.5, if memory serves (IIRC, the jumping rules were changed).
But does that really negate the core premise of figuring out what those REALLY BIG (or really small) numbers actually mean, and calibrating your personal expectations of how they apply, and, as suggested in the concluding thoughts of the essay, find that sweet spot of gameplay that fits both your and your group's expectations and arrange for the game to stay there longer?
With that said, I'm sure that if someone wanted to they could figure out where the 'sweet spot' for PF lies to describe the world we live in today. But I don't play games in the world I live in today. I'm guessing you typically don't either.
Where does it state anything to do with WBL in crafting feats? It doesn't. You are inferring it. It is not explicitly stated anywhere. The only relationship is the cost to acquire the item. You infer that this impacts WBL. If the cost to acquire is what impacts WBL, than that applies to all characters, regardless of the crafting feats.
The text in the WBL section says that characters are to be treated equally. There is no text in the crafting feats that characters aren't to be treated equally. There is no text in the crafting feats that says their crafted items impact WBL differently. It is your interpretation of the WBL section that allows crafting to impact it, not the other way around.
You say WBL is the total cost of all items the characters have.
Crafting affects cost.
Therefore, crafting impacts WBL.
That is a logical argument and can be stated from text within the book.
My point, is that it hinges on the first point and it is that interpretation that allows another character to count his +5 Fiery Burst, Holy, Bane (dragons) Greatsword at 0g, because he found it on the ground (acquired it for 0g).
Since all characters have a WBL greater than 0g, it is perfectly within raw for any character to possess that sword.
Is this ridiculous? Yes, but that's my point. Your interpretation of the rules requires additional clarification and explanation to mitigation scenarios such as this. What if a new GM is rolling random treasure and comes up with that sword, how does he judge if it is within the power level of his group. He isn't experienced, he doesn't know as well how to judge these things. Since it's going to be found, it has an opportunity cost of 0g and so will always be allowed by your interpretation of the WBL rules.
Your interpretation of the rules are flawed.
WBL is the total valuation of all items possessed. It does not take into account the opportunity cost of the item (how you much wealth you spent to acquire it).
The benefit of crafting, say in a Kingmaker campaign is pretty obvious. Character A has 20,000g to spend. If the item is over the cities base value, his only chance to get it is if the item shows up in one of the magic item slots from buildings. If it never shows up, he's out of luck. Character B on the other hand has a crafting feat and can obtain the item by making it for 10,000g. Once it's completed though, it counts for 20,000g of his WBL. The benefit is that he was able to obtain the item he wanted, even though it wasn't normally available.
Where does it state anything to do with WBL in crafting feats? It doesn't. You are inferring it. It is not explicitly stated anywhere. The only relationship is the cost to acquire the item. You infer that this impacts WBL. If the cost to acquire is what impacts WBL, than that applies to all characters, regardless of the crafting feats.
The text in the WBL section says that characters are to be treated equally. There is no text in the crafting feats that characters aren't to be treated equally. There is no text in the crafting feats that says their crafted items impact WBL differently. It is your interpretation of the WBL section that allows crafting to impact it, not the other way around.
You say WBL is the total cost of all items the characters have.
Crafting affects cost.
Therefore, crafting impacts WBL.That is a logical argument and can be stated from text within the book.
My point, is that it hinges on the first point and it is that interpretation that allows another character to count his +5 Fiery Burst, Holy, Bane (dragons) Greatsword at 0g, because he found it on the ground (acquired it for 0g).
Since all characters have a WBL greater than 0g, it is perfectly within raw for any character to possess that sword.
Is this ridiculous? Yes, but that's my point. Your interpretation of the rules requires additional clarification and explanation to mitigation scenarios such as this. What if a new GM is rolling random treasure and comes up with that sword, how does he judge if it is within the power level of his group. He isn't experienced, he doesn't know as well how to judge these things. Since it's going to be found, it has an opportunity cost of 0g and so will always be allowed by your interpretation of the WBL rules.
Your interpretation of the rules are flawed.
WBL is the total valuation of all items possessed. It does not take into account the opportunity cost of the item (how you much wealth you spent to acquire it).
The benefit of crafting, say in a Kingmaker...
Sorry, mate. The text says "Each character begins play with a number of gold pieces" and not "Each character begins play with a number of items whose market value can be as much as x." It's an amount of gold. If the GM says you found a sword for free: freakin' sweet! But, you can't say you did because you don't control the game world, the GM does.
A reminder to everyone that using personal insults/attacks isn't cool. Nor is being passive aggressive. Doing both at the same time is equally not cool. Please try to be civil and respectful when debating rules and their interpretations.
Thanks, Chris. Sometimes we need to be reminded of that.
Any word on if/when this question will get some feedback on the issue at hand?
They probably did to generate the WBL table. Unfortunately that speaks nothing to the topic at hand. :D
Sorry, mate. The text says "Each character begins play with a number of gold pieces" and not "Each character begins play with a number of items whose market value can be as much as x." It's an amount of gold. If the GM says you found a sword for free: freakin' sweet! But, you can't say you did because you don't control the game world, the GM does.
So you're saying that WBL is never again used after character creation? The book does not imply that at all.
Table 12-4 lists the amount of treasure each PC is expect to have at a specific level
My argument is that this is a continuous measuring stick. It is always happening and influencing the GM's decisions for the game.
A characters limit is 20,000gp. He takes half of it to craft an item that normally costs 20,000gp (so 10,000gp crafting cost). His total value of all treasure is now 30,000gp, he is now outside of WBL guideline by 50%. The item is still worth 20,000gp. Yes, he only paid 1/2 for it, but it's worth is unchanged.
Prove to me he does not have 30,000gp worth of stuff now.
Also, can you guys stop just adding bold stuff to posts? It's really hard to respond to that as I have to go through and completely re-edit it to make it even close to readable. Posts are getting harder and hard to read.
So you're saying that WBL is never again used after character creation? The book does not imply that at all.
Table 12-4 lists the amount of treasure each PC is expect to have at a specific levelMy argument is that this is a continuous measuring stick. It is always happening and influencing the GM's decisions for the game.
A characters limit is 20,000gp. He takes half of it to craft an item that normally costs 20,000gp (so 10,000gp crafting cost). His total value of all treasure is now 30,000gp, he is now outside of WBL guideline by 50%. The item is still worth 20,000gp. Yes, he only paid 1/2 for it, but it's worth is unchanged.
Prove to me he does not have 30,000gp worth of stuff now.
I didn't say the WBL doesn't matter post character creation. However, it is useless to the player. After character creation it is a guideline for the GM to use how he wishes but the player will never again look at that table unless they're making another character. That said, a character can choose to hold back gold for use at a later date. Thus, a crafter would still, at least initially, exceed WBL in terms of overall value.
Of course you would then have 30k gp worth of stuff. However, the WBL table doesn't care. It doesn't care because at character creation all it represents is how much gold you have and nothing else. It is up to the GM to keep balance after creation. But, unless otherwise stated by the GM, you get the amount on the WBL table and that amount is a gold amount, not an evaluation of market value.
Also, can you guys stop just adding bold stuff to posts? It's really hard to respond to that as I have to go through and completely re-edit it to make it even close to readable. Posts are getting harder and hard to read.
If you and others stop lumping several points back to back and use paragraph form style writing to separate individual arguments so responses can be easily done. I did it just because I got tired of copy/pasting the quote tags everywhere. :)
Of course you would then have 30k gp worth of stuff. However, the WBL table doesn't care. It doesn't care because at character creation all it represents is how much gold you have and nothing else. It is up to the GM to keep balance after creation. But, unless otherwise stated by the GM, you get the amount on the WBL table and that amount is a gold amount, not an evaluation of market value.
So, if the GM says "make a character with 20k worth of stuff" do you think it's reasonable to show up with a character who has 30k?
So, if the GM says "make a character with 20k worth of stuff" do you think it's reasonable to show up with a character who has 30k?
Nope. However, that's not the case with RAW and, personally, I've never had a GM tell me that. If the WBL says I get 20k gp for my level then that's exactly how much gold I get. How I spend it is my business so long as it's within the confines of the rules. If I'm a crafter and the GM wouldn't allow me to come to the table to "precrafted" gear then I would hold back enough gp for an item or two I'd wanted crafted, purchase an item for the interim, if necessary, and begin crafting ASAP.
I can use if's as well. For example: what if WBL represented only an amount of gold given to the character at creation and you had an ability that said you can make something for half it's base cost? Oh, wait... :P
Yup, we fundamentally differ... as I said 7 pages ago.
I think that your character should show up "roughly equal" to the other members of the party. The rules say "roughly equal", not "use loopholes to stretch your money".
To me, WBL is a measure used to determine effective power level of a characters items (that's what you get when you read the parts talking about existing characters). Your argument is that crafting affects the cost of the item, I agree. Your argument is that the cost of the item is what affects WBL, I disagree.
WBL is the measure of total wealth, this is happening all the time, not just once in the character's life. If a player manages to step over that line, he should not expect any further rewards from the GM until his character is back in line with WBL.
Now, in the past 7 pages, do you think you've influenced me at all? Do you think I've influenced you at all? Do you really want to keep talking about this, as we've been doing for the past 7 pages?
Or would you rather keep talk about something more useful?
I can use if's as well. For example: what if WBL represented only an amount of gold given to the character at creation and you had an ability that said you can make something for half it's base cost? Oh, wait... :P
Except WBL is used for all characters all the time. Is it a hard and fast rule? No, it's a guideline (hence my interpretation of +/- 10%). But if you're going to use it for one character, it has to apply to all characters. The basic rule has to apply to all characters equally. Specific rules can modify general rules, but crafting doesn't modify WBL, it modifies item cost.
I think that your character should show up "roughly equal" to the other members of the party. The rules say "roughly equal", not "use loopholes to stretch your money".
If using an ability per it's text is using loopholes then consider me the loopholiest mofo around.
To me, WBL is a measure used to determine effective power level of a characters items (that's what you get when you read the parts talking about existing characters). Your argument is that crafting affects the cost of the item, I agree. Your argument is that the cost of the item is what affects WBL, I disagree.
Even though it's only gold and not value as stated in the text "you get a certain amount of gold pieces?"
WBL is the measure of total wealth, this is happening all the time, not just once in the character's life. If a player manages to step over that line, he should not expect any further rewards from the GM until his character is back in line with WBL.
Okay.
Now, in the past 7 pages, do you think you've influenced me at all? Do you think I've influenced you at all? Do you really want to keep talking about this, as we've been doing for the past 7 pages?
As long as it hopefully gains developer attention, I honestly do not care.
Or would you rather keep talk about something more useful?
If you want to talk about something useful then let's talk about the topic of the thread or stop posting in the thread. It's a pretty common rule of forum etiquette to discuss the issue the thread is about rather than diverting the subject thereof.
Except WBL is used for all characters all the time. Is it a hard and fast rule? No, it's a guideline (hence my interpretation of +/- 10%). But if you're going to use it for one character, it has to apply to all characters. The basic rule has to apply to all characters equally. Specific rules can modify general rules, but crafting doesn't modify WBL, it modifies item cost.
And.... since you get a certain amount of gp and all costs come from that pool of gp the cost to craft is simply less than the full cost of the item. Where'd you get the 10% deal? There is no section in the WBL paragraphs or the Equipment chapter that says something similar to "your starting gold may vary by plus or minus 10%." That one is all you man.
The way I'm saying is fair. All characters get the same amount of gold. Crafting describes one thing I can do with that gold. Hence, it's a perfectly fair and legit use of my gold since anyone can take those abilities.
As a DM I do not expect tips, but if I do an exceptional job I will not refuse them. :)
What does that have to do with WBL and crafting?
As a DM I do not expect tips, but if I do an exceptional job I will not refuse them. :)
Buy gold futures. Sell Microsoft stock.
As a DM I do not expect tips, but if I do an exceptional job I will not refuse them. :)What does that have to do with WBL and crafting?
I think it got cross-posted in the wrong forum somehow. It's a response to the EXP/NO EXP thread.
Apply this standard to existing characters now. If I pick up an item off the ground (0g), how much does it count against my WBL?
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If using an ability per it's text is using loopholes then consider me the loopholiest mofo around.
RAGELANCEPOUNCE. Do a quick search.
Even though it's only gold and not value as stated in the text "you get a certain amount of gold pieces?"
"For a balanced approach, PCs that are built after 1st level should spend no more than 25% of their wealth on weapons, 25% on armor and protective devices, 25% on other magic items, 15% on disposable items like potions, scrolls, and wands, and 10% on ordinary gear and coins."
That's RAW. 10%.
It's the ONLY mention of having coins in his WBL after 1st level (yeah, you should really start to make the difference between "having gold at first level" and "having a GP equivalent in equipment on any other level").
A developer should, like, really give insight about this. And not the "depends on your game" kind of answer, but the answer that will say whether WBL implies full item price or crafted value or, you know, not.
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I think it got cross-posted in the wrong forum somehow. It's a response to the EXP/NO EXP thread.As a DM I do not expect tips, but if I do an exceptional job I will not refuse them. :)What does that have to do with WBL and crafting?
Whoops, you're right. Sorry about that Buri. Posting from the phone and going in and out of service while traveling. Got my threads crossed.
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This is my first (and likely only) post on this thread.
There are two uses for the Wealth-by-level guidelines. One: it acts, to the GM, as a measuring stick for your campaign as it continues, to see whether your PCs are geared appropriately to the challenges they might expect to face.
If the players note "Hey, we have half the amount of wealth we "should" have, by the WBL guidelines,
- your reply might be: "Yep. that's the low-fantasy kind of campaign we got."
- Or it might be "Well, have no fear, more treasure is just around the corner."
- Or you might observe, "Remember that ship you all bought, and how it sunk? That's your welth per level, right there."
Under that use, you might well allow a PC to trade a feat and time in exchange for the increase in wealth that crafting allows.
The other use, more germaine to the original post, is for GMs and players who begin a campaign in the middle of an adventurer's career. How much stuff does your 14th-level barbarian have?
Now, in this case, wealth-by-level is the least of your problems. A brand-new, no-dents 14th-level barbarian isn't going to have anything like the gear of a 14th-level barbarian who's been played from 1st level. For one thing, the experienced character has a lot of little crufty items that meant a great deal at 3th level, or 8th level, but don't do much now. Maybe she's sold back a lot of her loot for half-price in order to buy something else she wanted at the time. Maybe she spent money on long-downed healing potions that the brand new 14th-level character - who's never been struck in combat, and never been injured -- has never needed. Maybe she's needed to pay for a raise dead spell and a couple of restorations. The off-the-shelf PC doesn't have to worry about any of that, and buys the gear ideal for him as he currently stands.
(My solution: I don't just give out a lump sum of cash. I walk the player through an adventure per level, explaining what gear he found. The player decides how much he kept in usable items, and how much he exchanged for half gold. We also talk about what kinds of encounters he's had, and what sorts of decisions he's made. So he starts the campaign with some artificial dents and dings, and with gear that makes sense to him.
A quick guideline might be to allow the character two months of crafting time per level beyond first. (So, 26 months for the 14th-level chap.)
(I generally don't allow characters like that to buy crafting feats. If I were to do so, because it fit into a character's background, I'd give them the option to convert some of the stuff they find into other stuff at straight-on 1-gp-per-gp value.)
Apply this standard to existing characters now. If I pick up an item off the ground (0g), how much does it count against my WBL?
Depends. Is this character creation and you have some "pick an item off the ground for 0 gp" (sounds similar to how a gunslinger can get a 2k gp weapon for free at level 1) ability? Nothing since you didn't have to use any of your gold to acquire it. If you're a GM you may see this item and give out some less if you think its unbalancing.
If using an ability per it's text is using loopholes then consider me the loopholiest mofo around.RAGELANCEPOUNCE. Do a quick search.
Even though it's only gold and not value as stated in the text "you get a certain amount of gold pieces?""For a balanced approach, PCs that are built after 1st level should spend no more than 25% of their wealth on weapons, 25% on armor and protective devices, 25% on other magic items, 15% on disposable items like potions, scrolls, and wands, and 10% on ordinary gear and coins."
That's RAW. 10%.
It's the ONLY mention of having coins in his WBL after 1st level (yeah, you should really start to make the difference between "having gold at first level" and "having a GP equivalent in equipment on any other level").A developer should, like, really give insight about this. And not the "depends on your game" kind of answer, but the answer that will say whether WBL implies full item price or crafted value or, you know, not.
Keep reading, home boy. Different character types may spend their starting gold in an entirely different way. Those breakdowns don't force anyone to do squat. Also, the 10% in that breakdown doesn't translate to "you may have an extra 10% gold." Sorry.
(I generally don't allow characters like that to buy crafting feats. If I were to do so, because it fit into a character's background, I'd give them the option to convert some of the stuff they find into other stuff at straight-on 1-gp-per-gp value.)
Funny. That's exactly what the craft feats let you do if you're selling items to make other ones. Hmm.