Kim Jong-il dies


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CourtFool wrote:

You are 27 or 28. You just inherited an entire country that has been indoctrinated to believe dear ole dad and dear ole grand-dad are gods. You are surrounded by stuffy old generals telling you that you must maintain the status quo. The world thinks you are just some young punk who doesn't know Kimchi from guksu.

Go!

I cast magic missile at the darkness! (And at the imperialist American pig-dogs, because that would be in character, of course.)


Smarnil le couard wrote:

@BigNorseWolf: they have got at least an uranium mine (Sonbong) and all the reactors needed to enrich it. Unknown output, but half a dozen bombs is all it takes, as they have got ballistic missiles to lauch them too (remember all the nice launches they did over Japan, just for laughs).

But could they HIT japan with those things?

The Exchange

BigNorseWolf wrote:
But could they HIT japan with those things?

There's a saying beloved of all terrorist organizations everywhere: We just have to be lucky once. You have to be lucky every time.


Lincoln Hills wrote:
There's a saying beloved of all terrorist organizations everywhere: We just have to be lucky once. You have to be lucky every time.

Except they only get 10 shots tops before they're out of missles. Even then the us is going to respond fairly quickly, and I'm sure at least one of our subs in the area is packing the good stuff.

Shadow Lodge

9/11 was their 'lucky once'.


North Korea wont really do much with their nukes apart from ensure South Korea doesn't come visit, nor anyone else for that matter.

I can't think of a North Korean funded terrorist strike anywhere in the World, but please let me know if I'm wrong.


Shifty wrote:

North Korea wont really do much with their nukes apart from ensure South Korea doesn't come visit, nor anyone else for that matter.

I can't think of a North Korean funded terrorist strike anywhere in the World, but please let me know if I'm wrong.

Does their kidnapping of other countries' citizens count?


Kerney wrote:
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

The Korean War never officially ended.

I don't think Stalin himself had much to do with the Korean War. I'm pretty sure it was Stalin who agreed to the division of Korea into North and South.

Him dying was one of the things that allowed the ceasefire in the first place.

Doubtful. While Russia was very important for North Korea in establishing their army and providing initial support by 1953 it was really Beijing that was calling the shots.

That said by 1953 Mao wanted peace. He had not wanted the war in the first place and with it going nowhere for either side it was high on everyone's agenda to bring the thing to an end.


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

If you say so.

I thought that Kim Il-sung had approached Stalin about invading the south and he had said "Sure, go ahead, but I don't want to be involved, go see what Mao says."

They sent some materiel assistance, but Soviet involvement in the Northern war effort seemed to be pretty minimal for a full-on proxy war.

The element of North Korea getting Stalin's approval and very limited support is accurate but the Chinese where not consulted. If they had been and given any say what so ever they would have vetoed the idea. The last thing China wanted was a new war. They had just finished winning the Chinese Civil War that had been ongoing in some manner or another since 1912 a few months ago. The Communist Chinese where desperate to consolidate power and start implementing their grand visions to reform China. War completely interrupted that and used up practically every drop of their very limited foreign exchange.

For the Chinese the Korean War was a disaster in which they felt compelled to choose between the lesser of two evils.


One thing the thread has not been considering is that South Korea can't easi;y do anything without China's blessing. China is far and away South Korea's largest trading partner. There practically is not a single manufactured good in the entire country, from toaster ovens to computers, that does not have Chinese components. South Korea could, with difficulty, play ball while the US made frowny faces but they absolutely must have China and Japans OK before getting into such adventurism.

If they did so it would probably come as part of an agreement to ask the Americans to leave Korea, at which point a united Korea more beholden to Beijing then to any one else might be acceptable to China.

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