Aging and Immortality


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


So, if you're reincarnated, your age resets to the minimum adult age for your race. You can use reincarnation to effectively live forever, and there are a number of tricks for being able to reincarnate yourself without outside help.

Likewise, according to Savage Species, you can use the wish spell to transform your race-- even to powerful races with high ECLs.

So why can't a character just use miracle or wish to reset their biological age? Why do you have to jump through so many hoops-- or be a 20th level Wizard-- to become immortal?


With GM permission, you can use Wish to obtain an immunity to aging.


The new Godling feats product from Super Genius Games contains a feat to halt aging.


Heh, to many Old school GM's a player using wish is playing with fire :)


Just remember, if you reincarnate yourself too many times, Inevitables will start hunting you. Constantly.


What's the deal with immortality? Seems kind of useless to me from game point of view. Most games start and finish before aging effect take place. So what difference does immortality make?


Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:
Just remember, if you reincarnate yourself too many times, Inevitables will start hunting you. Constantly.

Let them come. They don't even know what "inevitable" means until they've met me.


voska66 wrote:
What's the deal with immortality? Seems kind of useless to me from game point of view. Most games start and finish before aging effect take place. So what difference does immortality make?

It's one of the greatest concepts in fantasy, even moreso when you include a ton of other races, who (almost) all exceed the human lifespan without trying. (It mostly seems to affect wizards and fighters, in my experience)


Viktyr Korimir wrote:
Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:
Just remember, if you reincarnate yourself too many times, Inevitables will start hunting you. Constantly.
Let them come. They don't even know what "inevitable" means until they've met me.

Looks over Viktyr, Nods to himself. Puts on his best Joker smile.

"Challenge excepted."


voska66 wrote:
What's the deal with immortality? Seems kind of useless to me from game point of view. Most games start and finish before aging effect take place. So what difference does immortality make?

Mechanically? No difference at all for most games. People who take immortality take it for roleplay reasons. The same reason my barbarian learned Ignan. :)


Viktyr Korimir wrote:
Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:
Just remember, if you reincarnate yourself too many times, Inevitables will start hunting you. Constantly.
Let them come. They don't even know what "inevitable" means until they've met me.

You'll run out of spells eventually. You need 8 hours rest to get them back after all. And don't give me anything about they need to find you first, they already have.


Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:
Viktyr Korimir wrote:
Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:
Just remember, if you reincarnate yourself too many times, Inevitables will start hunting you. Constantly.
Let them come. They don't even know what "inevitable" means until they've met me.
You'll run out of spells eventually. You need 8 hours rest to get them back after all. And don't give me anything about they need to find you first, they already have.

Having lived through the many lifetimes you would had to piss off the Inevitables, you would be doing something very wrong, if there is no place you can go where they can follow

Humbly,
Yawar


Darigaaz the Igniter wrote:
And don't give me anything about they need to find you first, they already have.

While I'm sure you can run them that way if you like, there's nothing I've found to suggest that's the case. Inevitables are not all-knowing, nor are they infallible.


The are however endless and never stop.


seekerofshadowlight wrote:
The are however endless and never stop.

Doesn't mean they succeed - look how many undead are out there well past their expiration dates. That the Inevitables don't know when to quit makes them seem more pathetic than terrifying.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Viktyr Korimir wrote:

So, if you're reincarnated, your age resets to the minimum adult age for your race. You can use reincarnation to effectively live forever, and there are a number of tricks for being able to reincarnate yourself without outside help.

Likewise, according to Savage Species, you can use the wish spell to transform your race-- even to powerful races with high ECLs.

So why can't a character just use miracle or wish to reset their biological age? Why do you have to jump through so many hoops-- or be a 20th level Wizard-- to become immortal?

Because immortality shouldn't be as common as candy in a grocery store mayhap?

Grand Lodge

What about Elans, or the race from Races of the Wild, or Warforged, or a few other races who have open ended venerable agesd

Sovereign Court

The Jellyfish have already figured out immortality. No need to worry about computers becoming self aware and taking over the world.. our doom will be the immortal jellyfish!


HappyDaze wrote:
seekerofshadowlight wrote:
The are however endless and never stop.
Doesn't mean they succeed - look how many undead are out there well past their expiration dates. That the Inevitables don't know when to quit makes them seem more pathetic than terrifying.

Not the same thing. If and when somethings number comes up they do not stop till it is balanced. Over all its not something they worry with all that much. But is something is noticed your days are indeed numbered.

Contributor

So far as I've seen with Pathfinder, there are three canon methods for achieving Immortality:

1. Be a 20th level alchemist and pick immunity to aging as your capstone. (Also restores youth, I believe.)

2. Be rich/powerful enough to obtain a continuous supply of Sun Orchid Elixir.

3. Read James' new novel, Death's Heretic, to find out a third method.

I'm certain there are plenty of non-canon methods as well and are basically whatever your GM feels appropriate.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Critzible wrote:

What about Elans, or the race from Races of the Wild, or Warforged, or a few other races who have open ended venerable agesd

What about them? The real question here is not the mechanics of immortality. Because no matter what race or class, I can find a way to fluff you to Immortality. The real question is how you work or make use of it as story material.


Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:

So far as I've seen with Pathfinder, there are three canon methods for achieving Immortality:

1. Be a 20th level alchemist and pick immunity to aging as your capstone. (Also restores youth, I believe.)

2. Be rich/powerful enough to obtain a continuous supply of Sun Orchid Elixir.

3. Read James' new novel, Death's Heretic, to find out a third method.

I'm certain there are plenty of non-canon methods as well and are basically whatever your GM feels appropriate.

Wizard 20 can also select Immortality (an Arcane Discovery).


The monk of the four winds (or is it the Lotus archetype?) gets immortality at level 20 as well.


Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:

So far as I've seen with Pathfinder, there are three canon methods for achieving Immortality:

1. Be a 20th level alchemist and pick immunity to aging as your capstone. (Also restores youth, I believe.)

2. Be rich/powerful enough to obtain a continuous supply of Sun Orchid Elixir.

3. Read James' new novel, Death's Heretic, to find out a third method.

I'm certain there are plenty of non-canon methods as well and are basically whatever your GM feels appropriate.

4) Also certain monk archetypes grant you immortality - not just immunity to getting older, but actual immortality.

EDIT: BAM! Ninja'd TWICE! Good job!

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Critzible wrote:

What about Elans, or the race from Races of the Wild, or Warforged, or a few other races who have open ended venerable agesd

Technically speaking, creatures from another game system are of no concern in a Pathfinder rules forum.

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