Summoning good creatures into a Magic Circle against Good area?


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Maybe I miss the forest for the trees, but is it possible to summon good creatures into an area protected by a Magic Circle against Good? The spell states that "good summoned creatures cannot enter the area" but does enter mean

a) a creature summoned outside cannot enter the circle. a creature summoned inside the circle is not affected.

or

b) a creature cannot enter the area at all. not by going/flying/whatever from outside to inside, and not by being summoned right into the circle.

if b) is right, what happens if it is tried: is the spell lost with no effect or does the creature appears in the nearest possible field outside of the circle?

thanks for any clarification.


This is explained at length in the spell description for "Magic Circle Against Evil" on pg. 308 of the Core Rulebook.

1) Creatures inside it (namely you) gain protection from good (or evil)
2) Evil (or good) summoned creatures cannot enter the circle
3) Creatures already in the area get a single chance to suppress effects
a)Success: effects suppressed while they remain in the area
b)Failure: creature must leave the area

It does not specifically state that you cannot summon a good creature while within a Magic Circle Against Good.

Also, Core Rulebook, pg. 210, under SUMMONING reads:

"A summoning spell instantly brings a creature or object to a place you designate....a summoned object is not sent back unless the spell description specifically indicates this."

This is open to interpretation for sure.

A) Since a summoned creature cannot enter the circle, it cannot be brought into the area you designated, and the spell fizzles outright

B) The spell succeeds, but the creature appears right outside the circle and cannot enter

C) The spell succeeds, and the summoned creature, now in the circle, is subject to the chance to suppress


I know the spell description, and as you said: This is open for interpretation. I think it all depends on the interpretation of "enter" - either as just moving into the circle or as entering the circle in whatever way, e.g. being summoned. I hoped I would miss a thing or there would be a clarifiction on this.


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As a GM, I'd just rule that you can't. If you try they bounce outside the circle.


I'm tending to this interpretation as well - entering is entering. But I fear my group, especially the summoner, will see that just the other way ;)


oddly enough, it doesn't seem to say in the description what happens to summoned creatures already within the area of the circle when the spell is cast. Does it shunt them out or do they get the benefit of the protection spell as well? Both? I was hoping to provide some kind of RAW justification one way or the other, but I can't find anything to grasp onto that hasn't already been mentioned. *marks as FAQ candidate*


It says they can't enter. Interplanar boundary crossing is not an exception. Access denied.


You can do it, and it traps them in the circle. The quote is from Magic circle against evil, so just swap out the word evil for good.

PRD wrote:
This spell has an alternative version that you may choose when casting it. A magic circle against evil can be focused inward rather than outward. When focused inward, the spell binds a nongood called creature (such as those called by the lesser planar binding, planar binding, and greater planar binding spells) for a maximum of 24 hours per caster level, provided that you cast the spell that calls the creature within 1 round of casting the magic circle. The creature cannot cross the circle's boundaries. If a creature too large to fit into the spell's area is the subject of the spell, the spell acts as a normal protection from evil spell for that creature only.


Actually, that quote doesnt fit: it clearly says you have to choose the trapping function while casting the spell. Thats not only a totally different situation, but also it says nothing about the entering Part. There is somewhere mentioned that you can use that spell to hold summoned (called? Is there regarding that point a difference?) creatures at bay, though. But. Thats for the inward option of the spell. For the Option which allows creatures to enter and denies exiting. Its not for the option which denies entering and allows exiting.

Sorry for any weird ortography: German iPhone autocorrect...

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