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Gotta agree fully with Luth, EXCELLENT design work Aravandor. While I do like #1, #2 and #4 really have a good feel to them. What did you used to design these (specifically, are they vector based graphics or not)?
would need to verify with the Community Use policy for the ones using a modified design, but really strong stuff.
Ah. You guys may be exactly right on the legalese angle. I never even considered that. They may march down and clap me in irons for modifying existing stuff.
Those images are bitmaps generated from SVG original files. They scale mathematically to any size and then I can rasterize them to png's or jpegs or whatever flavor bitmap you like. Due to legal issues we probably can't use them though...
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And I will eventually get one of those shirts for myself as soon as the Sczarni start printing them. I have no idea why a shadowy criminal organization would decline to print t-shirts identifying members.
Jake: I'm registered in the Connooga Warhorn site as "Bekra."
I would love an iron-on of the logo when we do deside on a final design. If I could put it on a paizo shirt that would rock, rerolls and representing APL...
The use of the grand lodge logo is pretty cool, I like How it is used in option 2 and 3.
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Ah. You guys may be exactly right on the legalese angle. I never even considered that. They may march down and clap me in irons for modifying existing stuff.
Those images are bitmaps generated from SVG original files. They scale mathematically to any size and then I can rasterize them to png's or jpegs or whatever flavor bitmap you like. Due to legal issues we probably can't use them though...
Legality aside they are awesome looking
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Okay, I just turned my eye to the community use policy, which I think would govern this since we're not intending to publish anything, and this language caught my eye-
"You may not alter the color, typography, design, or proportions of the logos or icons, or otherwise modify them."
Which, judging from your models, actually rules out everything except #3.
That said, with a different color background for the Asheville Building Emblem in #1, there's no reason that you couldn't successfully transpose the black and white pathfinder lodge symbol on top of it. White or black T shirts, with say a darker blue Asheville Logo and the black and white Pathfinder emblem could look pretty hot.
I'd of course help you in dealing with the Paizo folks as best I could, and would suggest that prior to us making any T-shirts, we would run it by them to see whether or not they considered the use of an additional graphic as a background to be "otherwise modifying", but all told I am really impressed with the work. And even if they want to poo-poo your ideas, #3 is still plenty good for my tastes.
Cheers!
SP
Venture-Captain, New Zealand—Dunedin
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I love all of the emblems, especially number 4. But I understand that the community use policy is a bit of a stinker, so I'll go with whatever our legal team thinks is best.
And here I was gonna make business cards. Pffft. Aravandor, your graphic design kung fu is much stronger than mine.
Oh, I made the next Asheville Pathfinder Lodge event official here.
I suggest that we keep sub-groups as private events organized by the GM running them, and keep the main lodge as the main public event. Of course, we can always invite whomever we want personally to the sub-lodge groups. Thoughts?
Love the creativity. My right brain runneth over.
Good idea with the D20, Thorynn. I'll work up some alternates using that. Any other iconic, non-copyrighted images I could use to represent pathfinder/RPG's/gaming come to mind? I'll also check in with somebody at Paizo about option #3. It's not as visually interesting as the others, but I'm almost certain that the others violate terms of the public use policy with the hybrid A/Pathfinder Glyph.
Thanks for the support guys. I think we can hammer out something eye-catching and not offensive to Paizo to work as a logo.
Dain: Once we find something we all like, I can send you original SVG files for use in any further (website) design. I am using a tool called inkscape on my Linux desktop to make these. It's all open-source. There's a flavor for Windoze and Macintrash also. I'm a big fan of Scalable Vector Graphics over bitmap images because the way the image is defined. An SVG file can be thought of like a cooking recipe. Draw a circle of radius R centered at coordinate x, y. Add a line running from point A to point B. Add an arc spanning from point A counterclockwise 28 degrees centered at C. etc... It's a mathematician's paint brush. And inkscape deals very well with fonts and text. When you're done with the design, you just export the image to a bitmap of your choice. Because SVG files are defined in mathematical terms, everything scales as large or small as you like without any kind of degradation. It's a non-lossy format.
Sorry if I'm preaching to the choir. You may be well aware of all of this already.
Good call, Thorynn. I'll pull that into it too...
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Dain: Once we find something we all like, I can send you original SVG files for use in any further (website) design.
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Sorry if I'm preaching to the choir. You may be well aware of all of this already.
Amen, brother amen. ;)
I'm familiar with SVG, though I typically utilize Illustrator when I am building vector graphics (and with logo work, that's what you want as your base file since you have the potential for needing multiple sizes beyond what you initially plan for). For web placement though, I usually convert to .jpg or .png (depending on the need to transparency or not).
From the talk about logos post session last Saturday, I've gone ahead and thrown the compass roses I put together online here if y'all want to peruse; if you want to utilize them somehow in your reworks Aravandor, let me know. I can export the images to .svg and send them over to you.
Lol sorry Dain. I don't mean to lecture you about the tools of your trade. One day I will get it through my head that you're a professional web designer and you know exactly what's going on. SVG was something of a revelation to me so I tend to babble about it too much.
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Lol sorry Dain. I don't mean to lecture you about the tools of your trade. One day I will get it through my head that you're a professional web designer and you know exactly what's going on. SVG was something of a revelation to me so I tend to babble about it too much.
LOL. No worries. I do more work on the back end of sites or implementation of design rather than creating the design itself, but I can do it (even though it is not my strongest skill set ... I really do love playing with Illustrator, Photoshop, Fireworks and InDesign).
SVG is very cool, especially when utilized within a dynamic site. A few years ago, and friend and I tackled designing a 360 evaluation site geared towards private schools (though it should work with companies as well). We used SVG generated off the evaluation content, as well as within a GUI for the creation of a school's faculty hierarchy connections. Very cool stuff.
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Lol sorry Dain. I don't mean to lecture you about the tools of your trade. One day I will get it through my head that you're a professional web designer and you know exactly what's going on. SVG was something of a revelation to me so I tend to babble about it too much.
I know a bit about Digital Media I took about two years of it in college sadly I don't have the programs in this computer. I am a huge fan of Vector graphics, Illustrator is my favorite type of image to work with. I enjoy the art side of digital work and used to do allot of it until my old laptop died.
I suggest that we keep sub-groups as private events organized by the GM running them, and keep the main lodge as the main public event. Of course, we can always invite whomever we want personally to the sub-lodge groups. Thoughts?
I check on Gamer's Haunt and they close at 9pm on weekdays.
I agree, I had said I was doing a "private" game the first time... :)
Marking the game as private may open up the venue options...
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More possible acronyms for the Asheville Pathfinder Lodge:
Coalition of Asheville Social-gamers in Hendersonville (CASH)....that way all the donations to the group will be made out to 'CASH'
Group Of Nice Odd Radical Roleplayers of Hendersonville, Edneyville, and Asheville (GONORRHEA)
South Asheville Roleplaying Society (SARS)
and...
Federated Asheville and Greater Hendersonville Area Gamers Society.
(I'm not typing out this acronym....you can do the math)Thanks to StrangePackages for these.
-Dink
When I was in high school, Asheville had the 'Dungeoneers, Wargamers and Roleplayers Fellowship' (D.W.A.R.F.). It has nothing Paizo specific or Asheville specific, but as former President you're welcome to use it :).
I personally think the Asheville Society of Pathfinders (A.S.P.) is promising.
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Ah. You guys may be exactly right on the legalese angle. I never even considered that. They may march down and clap me in irons for modifying existing stuff.
Those images are bitmaps generated from SVG original files. They scale mathematically to any size and then I can rasterize them to png's or jpegs or whatever flavor bitmap you like. Due to legal issues we probably can't use them though...
Mindful of modification being impermissible, we can always ask for a 'variance' and see if they'll allow it.
All look good though!
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we can always ask for a 'variance' and see if they'll allow it.
Unlikely. I think I remember Vic Wertz having expressed something to the effect that they don't make exceptions because if they make one exception then they risk getting flooded with other requests for exceptions. Imagine the time involved for Paizo staff if 100 Lodges all ask for special exceptions.
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we can always ask for a 'variance' and see if they'll allow it.Unlikely. I think I remember Vic Wertz having expressed something to the effect that they don't make exceptions because if they make one exception then they risk getting flooded with other requests for exceptions. Imagine the time involved for Paizo staff if 100 Lodges all ask for special exceptions.
Worth a try? In the unlikely event 100 lodges petition, its probably be about 100 minutes of their time. In any event we've got a good alternative right here.
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Can you legally start out a character with with old age meaning -3 to all physical and +2 to all mental stats... if so I just made the most improbable but fun old man to play... he'll die but you'll never forget the session he is in.
Smirking,
Luth
Characters can be of any age, but do not alter their ability scores as a result of this roleplaying choice.
Sorry no dice...
Ok, a few more logo suggestions...
Working on some D20 related ones now.
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Ok, a few more logo suggestions...
Working on some D20 related ones now.
Option 8 rocks! The rotated compass rose gives it a nice sense of motion.
Thanks for the feedback, guys. I think I'm done making alternates. Let's see if the others in the lodge are happy with one of these and we can reach some kind of agreement on a style to use for some shirts. I don't think that any of the new designs infringe on any copyrights. Mainly, I want to have something to identify me as being from this lodge at cons. If we set up a website later, it might be useful as well.
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I was thinking a hybrid of some of those. This is all pixelated and terrible due to my limited skills but here it is:
Logo
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Who all is going to StellarCon March 2-4 in High Point? I'm gonna check it out. Anybody know how the PFS tables are going to work down there? The only registration on Warhorn for that is for LFR. I ain't playin' no LFR.
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Who all is going to StellarCon March 2-4 in High Point? I'm gonna check it out. Anybody know how the PFS tables are going to work down there? The only registration on Warhorn for that is for LFR. I ain't playin' no LFR.
Stu and I are planning on attending. and I found the warhorn :) StellarCon 36 Warhorn (I just looked it over and did see that only LFR sessions are listed, I will be waiting with you for PFS stuff.
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Who all is going to StellarCon March 2-4 in High Point? I'm gonna check it out. Anybody know how the PFS tables are going to work down there? The only registration on Warhorn for that is for LFR. I ain't playin' no LFR.
Word.
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The scenario I ran a couple of weeks ago raised a question about Prestige Point awards. I wound up asking our Venture Captain, Del Collins, for clarification. Del was kind enough to clear up the confusion, and I thought it might benefit the entire Lodge if I passed along what I've learned.
Season 1 and 2 scenarios have two faction missions per faction. In those scenarios, you do not receive Prestige Points for completing the main scenario mission. Rather, each faction mission is worth 1 Prestige Point.
Season 0 scenarios are even more confusing. Some of them only have 1 faction mission. Those Season 0 scenarios work like Season 3 scenarios. Other Season 0 scenarios have two faction missions. Those scenarios work like Seasons 1 & 2.
I find the long version a bit wordy and still mildly confusing. So here's a two sentence summary:
If a scenario has two faction missions, then the only way to earn Prestige in that scenario is by completing faction missions.
If a scenario only has one faction mission, then you can earn 1 Prestige Point by completing the faction mission, and 1 Prestige Point by completing the main mission.
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I find the long version a bit wordy and still mildly confusing. So here's a two sentence summary:
If a scenario has two faction missions, then the only way to earn Prestige in that scenario is by completing faction missions.
If a scenario only has one faction mission, then you can earn 1 Prestige Point by completing the faction mission, and 1 Prestige Point by completing the main mission.
Good thing you asked Del, I would have given you much the same answer but would leave you a bit confused as to why... :) Thanks Talos & Del.
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Is Eaghen's awesome flyer up in the store? I could put it up if I had a copy. Also, Hillside mentioned they had a huge restock of Pathfinder stuff, thinking we were showing up again this past saturday (whoops!), but there should be plenty of stuff if you guys need to pick up a book or two. I know I've got my eye on a few.
If anybody does have the final version they can email me at skylandgamesinfo at gmail.
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So far, I only know that I will be running a game. I'm hoping for one or two more GMs. We will be down some people for the ConNooga weekend junket.
Stu, if you're up for running a game, then I'm down. In other words, Get It!
Any others? Bueller? Bueller?
-Dink
I will most likely be at Con-Nooga but if it turns out I'm not going, I could run in a pinch, I have "We be Goblins!" memorized.
I really don't want to miss Stu's first session as GM, that itself may sway me to stay... I will leave all of my GM stuff (Battlematt, minis, Bestary...) with Stu.
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So far, I only know that I will be running a game. I'm hoping for one or two more GMs. We will be down some people for the ConNooga weekend junket.
Stu, if you're up for running a game, then I'm down. In other words, Get It!
Any others? Bueller? Bueller?
-Dink
Um, yeah. ;)
Actually I posted prior to the last session that for the 18th I would be running Before the Dawn Part II.
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Is Eaghen's awesome flyer up in the store? I could put it up if I had a copy.
If you are willing to drop by the Fedex Kinkos on River Drive near Biltmore Village, just tell me how many copies you want and I'll have them paid for and waiting for you.
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I like Aravandor's #8 logo as well and also like Thorynn's d20 variant. For all you artistic geniuses, how about a few elvish words thrown out for consideration as a motto to build in somehow...
Mountain Haven - Orod Lond
Mountain Peace - Orod Sere
Haven in the Sky - Lond e' i' Fanyare
Play in the Mountains - Tyale e' i' Orod
Under the Mountain - Nuin Orod
To Walk a Mountain Path - Ana Vant Orod Acsa (I really like this one)
To Find a Mountain Path - Ana Hir Orod Acsa
Playhaven - Tyalelond
Ash Village - Lith Peler
Asheville Pathfinder Society - Lithpeler Acsahir Nórë (cheese alert)
Friendly Mountain Dream - Nilda Orod Olor
Friendly Mountain Path - Nilda Orod Acsa (not bad)
OK...anyone have any other ideas for a neat phrase that translates well...find a somewhat extensive list of Elvish words here