I came across this combo I would like to get people's opinions on it.
Magus - Hexcrafter Archtype
Take Improved Unarmed Strike
Take Hex Strike
You can now spell combat and cast a spell and deliver a hex in the same attack routine.
e.g.
Take Evil Eye
Spell combat and make all your iterative unarmed attacks first, so long as one hits you can use your swift action to deliver Evil Eye to the target.
Even if the target saves they still take the -2 (or better) effect for 1 round , then you followup with your spell benefiting from the evil eye lowering the AC or saving throw depending on the spell.
There's many combinations you could no doubt pull of with this the above is just a basic useful example of it.
I find it cool that you could in theory use this during a grapple since you using unarmed attacks and need to make a conc check anyway
Thoughts ?
It doesn't work unless you take 1 level of Witch also.
Me and STR Ranger were talking about it in a thread a few weeks ago. I found the build not long after UC came out, but also discovered why it doesn't work without a level-dip in Witch class. He made a similar thread asking about it, and I explained the issue there as well.
Read your class features carefully.
Hexcrafter Magus gets two class features called Hex Magus and Hex Arcana.
The Hex Strike feat specifically requires Hex class feature which the Hexcrafter does not receive. When a feat gives a class feature as a prerequisite, you must have the class feature that matches the name exactly or you don't qualify. Similar names and similar abilities don't count.
The way to resolve the issue is by first taking one level of the only class that does get the Hex class feature: the Witch. Then start taking Hexcrafter Magus levels.
You may be correct by RAW, but I am not sure that is how it is supposed to work by RAI.
not actually an issue Witch1/magus19 works just fine
in fact would work better since you'd be able to spell combat with hexes by level 2 instead of level 4
of course one could make the argument that since the witch is providing the hex class feature that you can only chose a hex taken with which as a target for spell strike.
in which case Magus can't take any Hex related feats even with a level of which.
You can have only one swift action per round, which hurts your build a bit.
not actually an issue Witch1/magus19 works just fine
in fact would work better since you'd be able to spell combat with hexes by level 2 instead of level 4
of course one could make the argument that since the witch is providing the hex class feature that you can only chose a hex taken with which as a target for spell strike.
in which case Magus can't take any Hex related feats even with a level of which.
Extra Hex feat?
You can have only one swift action per round, which hurts your build a bit.
EVEN if you allow Hex Strike.on a Magus (I would) it is not worth it.
You are a 3/4 BAB class. If a Magus wants to hit something he needs an enhancement bonus to attack (via a magic weapon) or he uses a swift for arcane accuracy. Well a weapon won't work, cause, y'know, it's an unarmed strike. You can't use arcane accuracy, cause then you used your swift.
So you can try but you won't hit.
Gtr Magic Fang would work, but not on your spellist.
MAYBE Brass Knuckles??
I had this vision of a Magus, shapeshifted in a Calikang.
6 arms!!
Make your normal attack routine, add another for shocking grasp, then take 4 more slam attacks (this is doable, but, again the slams will probably miss)
You can have only one swift action per round, which hurts your build a bit.EVEN if you allow Hex Strike.on a Magus (I would) it is not worth it.
You are a 3/4 BAB class. If a Magus wants to hit something he needs an enhancement bonus to attack (via a magic weapon) or he uses a swift for arcane accuracy. Well a weapon won't work, cause, y'know, it's an unarmed strike. You can't use arcane accuracy, cause then you used your swift.
So you can try but you won't hit.
Gtr Magic Fang would work, but not on your spellist.
MAYBE Brass Knuckles??I had this vision of a Magus, shapeshifted in a Calikang.
6 arms!!Make your normal attack routine, add another for shocking grasp, then take 4 more slam attacks (this is doable, but, again the slams will probably miss)
I'm not looking to make a hyper optimised Magus , its easy to do and boring to play.
Magus still has the arcane pool which will enchant those brass knuckles for +1 upwards at the beginning of combat. and since your not using your swift for +10 attacks or +10 shield AC from arcana every round having a couple of expensive to use arcana on occasion could have some versatility.
Don't forget this can also work in the opposite direction, use a spell like bestow curse to cripple the enemies AC and then your unarmed attacks are going to hit and land your Hex as well.
Extra Hex feat?not actually an issue Witch1/magus19 works just fine
in fact would work better since you'd be able to spell combat with hexes by level 2 instead of level 4
of course one could make the argument that since the witch is providing the hex class feature that you can only chose a hex taken with which as a target for spell strike.
in which case Magus can't take any Hex related feats even with a level of which.
In Thoery if a Hexcrafter Magus wants an extra Hex they have to take Extra Arcana giving them a bonus arcana which their archetype ability allows them to convert into a hex
You can have only one swift action per round, which hurts your build a bit.
not if your build plans on taking very few if any Arcana that requires swift actions like accuracy ;)
.Brass Knuckles don't work, but the good old GAUNTLET does. It's listed under simple weapons (unarmed) they simply let you do lethal damage with your strike. They can be enchanted like a weapon so works just fine.
Slight issue is you aren't wielding a Scimitar...
Not an issue, if you don't care about spells critting..
And you can't two hand it for spellstrike.
Can you 'wield' a weapon in the same hand as a gauntlet...
Just theorycrafting now. 4th level. If you can wield a scimitar in a gauntleted hand.
You could 2handed Spellstrike when you close, then next round, drop the Scimitar (free action) and declare spell combat (brand) for 2attacks and hex strike on your first attack (evil eye), then make your second attack (brand)...
If you need to move, recover your scimitar (free action) via weapon cord. I know weapon cord says you can't switch weapons but gauntlet is listed as an unarmed strike.
.Brass Knuckles don't work, but the good old GAUNTLET does. It's listed under simple weapons (unarmed) they simply let you do lethal damage with your strike. They can be enchanted like a weapon so works just fine.
Slight issue is you aren't wielding a Scimitar...
Not an issue, if you don't care about spells critting..
And you can't two hand it for spellstrike.
Can you 'wield' a weapon in the same hand as a gauntlet...Just theorycrafting now. 4th level. If you can wield a scimitar in a gauntleted hand.
You could 2handed Spellstrike when you close, then next round, drop the Scimitar (free action) and declare spell combat (brand) for 2attacks and hex strike on your first attack (evil eye), then make your second attack (brand)...If you need to move, recover your scimitar (free action) via weapon cord. I know weapon cord says you can't switch weapons but gauntlet is listed as an unarmed strike.
Gauntlet works for me , your scimitar combo has merit but seems like a lot of messing about for a marginal gain.
So 1handed hex gauntlet and open hand spells, heh seems like the perfect build of a piece armor build with armor down the arm to gauntlet and no armor on the casting arm. I'm likeing this more and more :)
*runs off to check out piece armor rules more thoughly*
glad we found a weapon it works with.
Now you'll just need a DM who'll let Hex Arcana count for Hex class feature....
glad we found a weapon it works with.
Now you'll just need a DM who'll let Hex Arcana count for Hex class feature....
Indeed although I figure since this is sacrificing some of the mechanically better parts of Magus for flavour I'll have a fair chance ;)