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So been looking for a how to get X to Y thread - anyone seen one for pathfinder?

That would the the how to get Cha to reflex saves (Oracle with Lore Mystery - Sidestep Secret Revalation) and so forth...

Is it already done? (then point me in the right direction) - if not - well help me make one...

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I dunno if there is one.

There are two obvious stat flip feats though, Agile Manuevers to use Dex for CMB, and Noble Scion (War) to use Cha for init.

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Petty Alchemy wrote:

I dunno if there is one.

There are two obvious stat flip feats though, Agile Manuevers to use Dex for CMB, and Noble Scion (War) to use Cha for init.

Don't forget Weapon Finesse for DEX to hit in melee, and Dervish Dance for DEX to damage in melee (but only with scimitars in certain conditions).

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Wow, those are even more obvious than the ones I posted. Thanks for the catch.

There's Focused Shot to add Int to damage with (cross)bow, but it's a standard action to use this feat which alone makes it terrible and not worth considering. But it's worth mentioning if you plan to make a complete guide.

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Petty Alchemy wrote:
There's Focused Shot to add Int to damage with (cross)bow, but it's a standard action to use this feat which alone makes it terrible and not worth considering.

That seems like a rather harsh analysis. Play all your games at high levels, do you? Because at BAB 1-5, that's pure gold right there. And at higher levels, you can think of it as a DPR safety net: you want your full attacks, but if you can't get it for some reason (needed to move or something), this will at least keep your damage from dipping as low as it would have otherwise in the same situation.

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Archers usually have more to worry about than to be able to afford a very high int. You get a high dex to hit your target. You get a good str, so you can use a composite bow (and be a switch hitter).

My investment in int with a good PB (25) archer would probably be 13, max. And to build around this feat just seems like a terrible idea, because archers have a much easier time making a FA than meleers.

I would take rapid shot over focused shot at low levels, and rapid shot stays good when you get that BAB 6+ while Focused looks worse and worse.


There's a chain of feats that allows for WIS to hit when using your deity's favored weapon (needs channel energy, so it is obviously attractive to clerics, but I could see maybe monks or inquisitors with dips being interested in this...)


well if there's no threat I guess I'll make one...

I'll just have to find out how format the whole thing...

Edit - so I can Edit the most resent post - but can't edit my first post... That could be a problem.

Wasn't there some sort of playground were I could post my notes/findings?

and then some testing...

Cha:

Reflex, replaces dex - class feature Oracle with Lore Mystery - Sidestep Secret Revalation

AC, replaces dex -(class feature) Oracle with Lore Mystery - Sidestep Secret Revalation

Initiativ - Noble Scion (feat)


Nature Oracles can get Cha to AC and CMD from the Nature's Whispers Revelation.

Agile weapon property gives Dex to attack and damage with any weapon you can finesse with at a +1 cost.


Great keep it comming!

Still nede a Way to have doc i Can make changes in. I guess a Google doc is the Way to go. Since the King of guides Treantmonk uses it it can't be all bad :-)


A few feats..

Osyluth Guile - cha to AC against dodge target when fighting defensively or using total defence action.

Intimidating Prowess add str to intimidate in addition to cha

Fury's Fall - Dex to trip attacks

Agile Maneuvers - add dex to CMB instead of Str


A first level Inquisitor with the Conversion Inquisition can use Wis for Bluff, Diplomacy, and Intimidate.


This from a 3pp

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/3rd-party-feats/super-genius-games/general-fe ats/self-delusion


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Okay currently I'm just making a google doc. A work in progress.
And I'm not really going through the rules line after line looking for X to Y, but I do take notes when i find something...

So here's your finds and a few i found:
Getting X to Y(a work in progress)

STR
The Flexing Arm (Kurgess) (faith Trait)
use str instead of dex to ecsape artics checks
Intimidating Prowess (feat) add Str to Intimidate checks in addition to Cha

DEX
Dex to ranged dam (crossbow) Figter ACF Crosbow man3 ½ dex to ranged attacks
Dex to ranged dam (crossbow) Figter ACF Crosbow man11 dex to ranged attacks
Weapon Finesse (use dex instead of str to attack rolls) Feat
Agile Maneuevers (feat) Use Dex instead of Str to CMB
Dervish Dance (combat feat) Use dex for to hit and damage with scimitar
Fury’s Fall (combat feat) use dex to trip attacks in addition to str

CON
Indomidale Caster (rage prophet 3, class feature) add co to concentration checks
Ragecaster (rage prophet 7) con to DC on spells while raging

INT

WIS
Monkey moves (wis to climb checks)
Monkey Style (wis to acrobatic checks)
Maneuver Master 5 (wis to CMB)
Zen acher 3 (wis instead of dex to ranged to hit)
Hungry Ghost Monk 5 - Steal Ki (wis to saves vs disease
Focused shot (combat feat) Add int to ranged dam (standard action only)
Conversion Inquistion (Inquisitor 1 ACF) use wis to bluff, diplomacy and intimidate instead of cha

CHA
Wand DC bard ACF Magicain 10
Cha to hit against undead Smite Abonomation (spell) Cha to hit single undead, +more
Noble Scion (trait) Cha to initiativ
Natures Whisper (Oracle, nature mystery; revelation) use Cha to AC and CMD instead of dex
Lore Keeper (oracle, lore mystery, revelation) Use Cha to knowledge checks instead of int
Sidestep Secret (oracle, lore mystery, revelation) Use Cha to Ac and reflex saves instead of dex
Agile (+1 weapon enhancement) use dex instead of str to dam on finesse able weapon
unholy fortitude (Agent of the grave 1, class feature) use cha to bonus HP instead of con
Smite evil (paladin 1,4,7,10,13,16,19, class feature) add cha to hit/AC against evil smite target
Divine Grace (Paladin2) Cha to all saves


format is bad - i'll edit when i get around to it.
But if you have more (and i know there's a lot more) post and i'll update...


Sage bloodline (sorceror) use intelligence instead of charisma for class abilities

Empyreal bloodline (sorceror) use wisdom instead of charisma for class abilities.

Dervish dance feat dexterity to damage (with specific weapons)


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Sorcerer bloodlines added (already had dervish dance).
Looked through all prestige classes -added a few things...

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X to Y so far:

Getting X to Y(a work in progress)

STR
The Flexing Arm (Kurgess) (faith Trait) use str instead of dex to ecsape artics checks
Intimidating Prowess (feat) add Str to Intimidate checks in addition to Cha

DEX
Dex to ranged dam (crossbow) Figter ACF Crosbow man3 ½ dex to ranged attacks
Dex to ranged dam (crossbow) Figter ACF Crosbow man11 dex to ranged attacks
Weapon Finesse (use dex instead of str to attack rolls) Feat
Agile Maneuevers (feat) Use Dex instead of Str to CMB
Dervish Dance (combat feat) Use dex for to hit and damage with scimitar
Fury’s Fall (combat feat) use dex to trip attacks in addition to str
Agile (+1 weapon enhancement) use dex instead of str to dam on finesse able weapon

CON
Indomidale Caster (rage prophet 3, class feature) add co to concentration checks
Ragecaster (rage prophet 7) con to DC on spells while raging

INT
Focused Scroll (Cyphermage, Cypher lore) 2x Int to casterlevel checks with scrolls
Insightfull Scroll (Cyphermage, cypher lore) use int to DC from scrolls
Mind over metal (Student of war 2) int to AC instead of dex
Blodline Arcane (Sorcerer, Sage ACF) use Int instead of cha to Sorcerer class features and effects

WIS
Monkey moves (wis to climb checks)
Monkey Style (wis to acrobatic checks)
Maneuver Master 5 (wis to CMB)
Zen acher 3 (wis instead of dex to ranged to hit)
Hungry Ghost Monk 5 - Steal Ki (wis to saves vs disease
Focused shot (combat feat) Add int to ranged dam (standard action only)
Conversion Inquistion (Inquisitor 1 ACF) use wis to bluff, diplomacy and intimidate instead of cha
Guided hand (feat) Use wis as to hit instead of str/dex with deity’s favored weapon
Bloodline Arcane (Sorcerer, Empyreal ACF) use wis instead of cha to Sorcerer class features and effects

CHA
Wand DC bard ACF Magicain 10
Cha to hit against undead Smite Abonomation (spell) Cha to hit single undead, +more
Noble Scion (trait) Cha to initiativ
Natures Whisper (Oracle, nature mystery; revelation) use Cha to AC and CMD instead of dex
Lore Keeper (oracle, lore mystery, revelation) Use Cha to knowledge checks instead of int
Sidestep Secret (oracle, lore mystery, revelation) Use Cha to Ac and reflex saves instead of dex
Unholy fortitude (Agent of the grave 1, class feature) use cha to bonus HP instead of con
Smite evil (paladin 1,4,7,10,13,16,19, class feature) add cha to hit/AC against evil smite target
Smite Evil (chevalier 3, 1/day) as paladin
Divine Grace (Paladin2) Cha to all saves
Insightfull Scroll (Cyphermage, cypher lore) use Cha to DC from scrolls
Smite Chaos (Hellknight 1, 4, 7, 10) as paladin ability against chaos aligned cretures
Sure Shot (Justicar 2,3) to hit with crowbow in addition to dex Class lvl/day

non-paizo
Self Delusion (feat) Use Cha to will saves instead of wis


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Added a few more abilities (still haven't looked at spells, items, might have missed a class feature or two).
So anything missed (class features). Post and I'll update...

Getting X to Y(a work in progress)

Str:

STR
The Flexing Arm (Kurgess) (faith Trait) use str instead of dex to ecsape artics checks
Intimidating Prowess (feat) add Str to Intimidate checks in addition to Cha

Dex:

DEX
Dex to ranged dam (crossbow) Figter ACF Crosbow man3 ½ dex to ranged attacks
Dex to ranged dam (crossbow) Figter ACF Crosbow man11 dex to ranged attacks
Weapon Finesse (use dex instead of str to attack rolls) Feat
Agile Maneuevers (feat) Use Dex instead of Str to CMB
Dervish Dance (combat feat) Use dex for to hit and damage with scimitar
Fury’s Fall (combat feat) use dex to trip attacks in addition to str
Agile (+1 weapon enhancement) use dex instead of str to dam on finesse able weapon

Con:

CON
Indomidale Caster (rage prophet 3, class feature) add con to concentration checks
Ragecaster (rage prophet 7) con to DC on spells while raging

Int:
INT
Focused Scroll (Cyphermage, Cypher lore) 2x Int to casterlevel checks with scrolls
Insightfull Scroll (Cyphermage, cypher lore) use int to DC from scrolls
Mind over metal (Student of war 2) int to AC instead of dex
Blodline Arcane (Sorcerer, Sage ACF) use Int instead of cha to Sorcerer class features and effects
Tactical expertice (Cleric ACF Divine strategist8) add int to hit when flanking and on AoO, and 1/day (+1/day every 2 lvl) int to a single d20 roll made as a readied action
Canny Defence (Duelist 1) Int to Ac while unarmored addition to dex, max 1 pr class level
Canny Defence (Magnus, ACF Kensai 1) Int to Ac while unarmored addition to dex, max 1 pr class level
Iaijutsu (Magnus, ACF Kensai 7) Add int to initiativ in addition to dex
Critical perfection (Magnus, ACF Kensai 9) add int to critical confirmation rolls
Superior reflexes (Magnus, ACF Kensai 11) add int to the no. of AoO pr round stacks with combat reflexes
Iaijutsu focus (Magnus, ACF Kensai 13) Add Int to dam in surprise round against flatfooted foes

Wis:

WIS
AC bonus (monk 1) add wis to Ac and CMD when unarmored and unencumbered
Monkey moves (wis to climb checks)
Monkey Style (wis to acrobatic checks)
Maneuver Master 5 (wis to CMB)
Zen acher 3 (wis instead of dex to ranged to hit)
Hungry Ghost Monk 5 - Steal Ki (wis to saves vs disease
Focused shot (combat feat) Add int to ranged dam (standard action only)
Conversion Inquistion (Inquisitor 1 ACF) use wis to bluff, diplomacy and intimidate instead of cha
Guided hand (feat) Use wis as to hit instead of str/dex with deity’s favored weapon
Bloodline Arcane (Sorcerer, Empyreal ACF) use wis instead of cha to Sorcerer class features and effects
Ki Pool (Rogue trick) gain a Ki poll from wis, or add wis to pool
Rogue Talent->Ki Pool (ninja trick) add wis to Ki pool
Wind Blast (Cleric subdomain: wind) make blast and use cl+ wis to Bull rush instead of str and bab
Guarded Hearth (Cleric home subdomain) wis to saves and to hit, in warded area
Tunnel Runner (cleric8 cave subdomain) wis insight bonus to initiativ, while undergound, 1 min/Cleric lvl(?)
Recall (Cleric, memory subdomain) retry knowledge checks with wis as insight bonus, 3+wis/day
Hand of the Acolyte (cleric magic domain) 3+wis/day wis instead of dex to ranged attack w/ melee weapon
Surge (cleric Oceans subdomain) 3+wis/day make a bullrush/drag with cleric lvl +wis
Earth Child Style (Style feat) add wis to unarmed strikes against giants

Cha:

CHA
Wand mastery (Bard ACF Magicain 10) cha to Wand DC
Cha to hit against undead Smite Abonomation (spell) Cha to hit single undead, +more
Noble Scion (trait) Cha to initiativ
Natures Whisper (Oracle, nature mystery; revelation) use Cha to AC and CMD instead of dex
Lore Keeper (oracle, lore mystery, revelation) Use Cha to knowledge checks instead of int
Sidestep Secret (oracle, lore mystery, revelation) Use Cha to Ac and reflex saves instead of dex
Unholy fortitude (Agent of the grave 1, class feature) use cha to bonus HP instead of con
Smite evil (paladin 1,4,7,10,13,16,19, class feature) add cha to hit/AC against evil smite target
Smite Evil (chevalier 3, 1/day) as paladin
Divine Grace (Paladin2) Cha to all saves
Insightfull Scroll (Cyphermage, cypher lore) use Cha to DC from scrolls
Smite Chaos (Hellknight 1, 4, 7, 10) as paladin ability against chaos aligned cretures
Sure Shot (Justicar 2,3) to hit with crowbow in addition to dex Class lvl/day
Final Revalation (Oracle 20, Ancestor Mystery) Add Cha to Will saves
Guiding star (Oracle, Heavens Mystery) add cha in addition to wis to all wisdom based checks, only while night sky visible
Knowledge of the ages (Oracle, Time Mystery) retry knowledge checks with cha bonus, cha times/day
Friends to animals (oracle, nature mystery) Animals within feet gain your Cha to all saves
Stoic (feat) Use cha instead of con to fort saves
Final revalation (Oracle20, Enlightened Pliosopher ACF) add cha to all saves in addition to dex,con and wis

non-paizo
Self Delusion (feat) Use Cha to will saves instead of wis


Maybe it is wrong but

Stoic
You know from firsthand experience that life is a series of unforgiving trials, and that fear itself is something that can be conquered.

Prerequisite: Iron Will.

Benefit: You gain a +1 bonus on all saving throws against fear effects. If you successfully save against any fear effect, you are immune to further fear effects from that source for 24 hours.

The feat in d20pfrsd do not let you use cha instead of con for the fort save.


yes there are two feats called stoic.
im refering to the one from PCS (?)
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/local-feats

not sure which one is the latest...


bump.

Anything I missed?


sacred witch doctor archtype lets a witch use con for casting


Thefurmonger wrote:
sacred witch doctor archtype lets a witch use con for casting

Scarred Witch Doctor*


Ah right.

Getting this typed in a google doc and added to the guide to guides would be awesome.


Noble Scion (trait) Cha to initiative
Stoic (feat) Use cha instead of con to fort saves

Where do I find these?

Scarab Sages

Noble Scion (of War) is a feat from the Inner Sea World Guide. Stoic is from the Pathfinder Campaign Setting I think, likely superseded by the version in ISWG


minoritarian wrote:
Noble Scion (of War) is a feat from the Inner Sea World Guide. Stoic is from the Pathfinder Campaign Setting I think, likely superseded by the version in ISWG

What? ISWG? That can't be right...

*Opens HeroLab and checks Feat tab*

HOW THE HELL DIDN'T I EVER NOTICE THIS BEFORE!!!???

*bumps head on table*

Also, why did the "Cha-to-Fort" Stoic get replaced by such an useless feat as "+1-Against-Fear-Effects" Stoic? That's actually worse than a freaking trait!


Inquisitor Level 2 gets: Cunning initiative = add wisdom modifier to initiative

I think there a sorcerer bloodline out there that uses constitution as casting stat... something about orcs?

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Kyoni wrote:

Inquisitor Level 2 gets: Cunning initiative = add wisdom modifier to initiative

I think there a sorcerer bloodline out there that uses constitution as casting stat... something about orcs?

It isn't a sorcerer blooline it's an archetype for witches (Scarred Witch Doctor) and was mentioned a few posts back.


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o91Z-s0R7Vf2Ujj1lFqGC5W--9JOyU0I6uC9XRI R5to/edit

New to google docs... Does it work?

Added; a few things since last

There wasn't much interest to start with - so the whole X to Y thing became more of a personal note pad. I could look at format, but for now you should be able to have a look at my notes

Lantern Lodge

Link not working...

Check if you have a public/publish button.


damit

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o91Z-s0R7Vf2Ujj1lFqGC5W--9JOyU0I6uC9XRI R5to/edit

How about now?


No-one mentioned Monk: Wis to AC?

Grand Lodge

Nope, link not working. States it does not exist.

Lantern Lodge

There is a spacing in between I and R (In bold). It seems to be a messageboard bug. The original link has no spacing, the spacing appears after copying and pasting.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1o91Z-s0R7Vf2Ujj1lFqGC5W--9JOyU0I6uC9XRI R5to/edit

Got it working Here.


Thanks :-)

Wis to AC for monks - check

A little better format as well - but ónly a little..

Sczarni

Someone mentioned Inquisitors getting their Wisdom added to their initiative. They also get to add their Wisdom to Knowledge checks when determining the abilities and weaknesses of creatures.

Also, Alchemists add their Int to damage with splash weapons. Not just their bombs-- any splash weapons that deal damage.


Wis to Ac, wis to knowlegde checks added, a few other things as well,

"On a direct hit, an alchemist’s bomb inflicts 1d6 points of fire damage + additional damage equal to the alchemist’s Intelligence modifier"
- seems to me it's only bombs. Is there a errate somewhere?


"Cruel Anatomist (Alchemist ACF Vivisectionist 3) Use Knowledge (nature) skill bonus to heal checks instead of Heal"

- Let say you have int 14, wis 12, Heal 2 ranks, Knowledge (nature) 1, and it's a class skill.

Do you get: +2 int +1 skill +3 class skill = +6 on Heal checks?
Or +1 wis +1 skill +3 class skill = +5 on heal checks?

Shadow Lodge

I haven't seen it mentioned but this is a 3.x thread from GitPG that has all of these nicely formatted. It includes most pathfinder stuff so if nothing else you can steal the appropriate things from it.

I hope this is helpful even though it hasn't been updated since April.


Nice - I'll have to have a look at it.
at the moment I'm just trying to find things that I have missed - format must wait :-)

But that should fill the holes nicely :-)

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Bigtuna wrote:

Wis to Ac, wis to knowlegde checks added, a few other things as well,

"On a direct hit, an alchemist’s bomb inflicts 1d6 points of fire damage + additional damage equal to the alchemist’s Intelligence modifier"
- seems to me it's only bombs. Is there a errate somewhere?

I believe you were only looking in the bomb section. The info is in the Throw Anything section.

PFSRD wrote:

Throw Anything (Ex)

All alchemists gain the Throw Anything feat as a bonus feat at 1st level. An alchemist adds his Intelligence modifier to damage done with Throw Splash Weapon, including the splash damage if any. This bonus damage is already included in the bomb class feature.


Ah - I stand corrected - change have been added.


@Quart Not much parthfinder i'm afraid - but add the few things I hadn't included yet. I guess i never got around to looking at gunslingers before now.

I assummed "Just Pathfinder Material" was all the parthfinder they had included.


Monk (Sensei) 2:
Insightful Strike (Ex)
At 2nd level, a sensei may use his Wisdom bonus in lieu of his Strength or Dexterity on attack rolls and combat maneuver checks with unarmed strikes or monk weapons.


Good news - Steve (aka. Blueluck) have offered to take a look at my bad spelling and format...

@Chrids - Sensei Added :)


Nobody has commented on this in a little while but the guide to guides says to take discussion here so here I am.

Just wanted to add that Kirin Strike gives you 2x INT added to damage as a swift action when you hit a target that you have studied with Kirin Style for any melee or ranged attack.


Added Kirin Strike.

Thanks - sorry for the delay.


Bigtuna, have you looked at the new traits in Ultimate Campaign yet? At the very least, there's Bruising Intellect to replace Cha with Int for Intimidate - potentially very useful for high Int Intimidate builds.

Grand Lodge

Intelligence instead of Charisma for Intimidate?

I must investigate.

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