LOL, AmiB for the win.
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Actually, I tried to run a game more or less without swords a while ago. The biggest conclusion I drew is that spears are so unfairly shafted. :(
The biggest conclusion I drew is that spears are so unfairly shafted. :(
Yep. Even among simple weapons, the basic shortspear is about as good as a club, and the two-handed versions aren't exactly great either.
pistols > swords
The biggest conclusion I drew is that spears are so unfairly shafted. :(Yep. Even among simple weapons, the basic shortspear is about as good as a club, and the two-handed versions aren't exactly great either.
This calls for a movement for spear equality. If we're lucky, we might get a few tax-feats to allow effective spear wielders. :p
This calls for a movement for spear equality. If we're lucky, we might get a few tax-feats to allow effective spear wielders. :pThe biggest conclusion I drew is that spears are so unfairly shafted. :(Yep. Even among simple weapons, the basic shortspear is about as good as a club, and the two-handed versions aren't exactly great either.
Well, there's the spear dancer feat, but it's imo more oriented towards martial polearms - such as a paladin of Shelyn with a glaive.. For now, I'm thinking of maybe making the shortspear and trident's critical modifier x3, maybe removing the trident range increment - it seems a bit too top-heavy to be throwable except as an improvised tactic.
Only if their making a Final Fantasy 8 Squal clone who uses a gunblade. For those not familair with FF8 gunblades (Wikipedia) Squall's weapon is a gunblade, a sword that uses components of a revolver to send vibrations through the blade when triggered. The most rediculous fantasy weapon ever.
Anyone else hate sword-wielding fantasy warriors?
Yes, actually; that's why I always give mine a battleaxe, heavy pick, or great axe.
If they knew anything they would be weilding light sabers not primitive hunks of sharpened metal.
If we stop complaining, what else can we talk about?How much we hate each other, obviously.
Or how awesome my 20th level magic user is.
The only real fantasy warrior is one that wields a frozen fish!
gunslinger/monk/samurai/ninja
Hold on a second... The only one in there that I can think of that commonly wields a sword is the samurai... D:
The biggest conclusion I drew is that spears are so unfairly shafted.
Eye C Wat U Did Thar!
If we stop complaining, what else can we talk about?
How much we hate each other, obviously.
Or how awesome my 20th level magic user is.
Pshh... No matter how awesome your 20th level character is, if you post his stats I bet I can design a character specifically made to kill him, and then he'd wreck him if I can dictate the circumstances of the encounter.
Man, I hate it when you do that! Besides, if you don't rule by 11th level, you're doing it wrong.
Only if their making a Final Fantasy 8 Squal clone who uses a gunblade. For those not familair with FF8 gunblades (Wikipedia) Squall's weapon is a gunblade, a sword that uses components of a revolver to send vibrations through the blade when triggered. The most rediculous fantasy weapon ever.
Except, of course, they really exist. So it should be "the most ridiculous weapon ever conceived and built in fantasy or reality, 'cause they suck as a weapon, seriously."
Well, there's the spear dancer feat, but it's imo more oriented towards martial polearms - such as a paladin of Shelyn with a glaive.. For now, I'm thinking of maybe making the shortspear and trident's critical modifier x3, maybe removing the trident range increment - it seems a bit too top-heavy to be throwable except as an improvised tactic.This calls for a movement for spear equality. If we're lucky, we might get a few tax-feats to allow effective spear wielders. :pThe biggest conclusion I drew is that spears are so unfairly shafted. :(Yep. Even among simple weapons, the basic shortspear is about as good as a club, and the two-handed versions aren't exactly great either.Depends upon the Trident, some are designed to be thrown (I'd give those a +1 to hit if thrown). Perhaps not as far as a Jav, but more than a club.
Also, spears should just do more damage. IRL spears where the weapon of choice for militarys, swords were normally a secondary weapon (yes, even for Japanesse armies, and the Romans used a type of spear as a "opening" attack). In a different RPG (RuneQuest), spears were often the weapon of choice, and javelins were a nasty thrown weapon (did a D10).
I figure the fixation on swords comes out of the fact that most game designers (esp. the early ones) are readers of Swords and Sorcerey fiction, and most fantasy writers are not military (or weapon) historians. Swords are what officers/nobles use (kind of like pistols in a modern army), so that's what the Hero should use.
Here's another thought for you. Why are there so many kinds of swords in RPGs, but there are so few spears? There are A LOT of different spears... most of them just lumped into "short spear" and "long spear".
In large numbers a spear armed unit is pretty devastating presuming you can find relatively flat unbroken terrain but if your just wandering around with you and a couple of buddies and your likely to fight only a handful of enemies a sword in the hands of some one who knows how to use it is a superior weapon. In essence a wall of spear points is pretty hard to deal with but one guy with a spear is at a serious disadvantage.
In large numbers a spear armed unit is pretty devastating presuming you can find relatively flat unbroken terrain but if your just wandering around with you and a couple of buddies and your likely to fight only a handful of enemies a sword in the hands of some one who knows how to use it is a superior weapon. In essence a wall of spear points is pretty hard to deal with but one guy with a spear is at a serious disadvantage.
Better tell Achilles, Cuchullain and Guan Yu. Or if they're too fictional, the Zulus, Samurai, Greek hoplites, Roman triarii, assorted medieval knights, etc who actually dueled in single combat with spears as well as fighting in formation.
The biggest conclusion I drew is that spears are so unfairly shafted.Eye C Wat U Did Thar!
So relieved someone noticed.
Better tell Achilles, Cuchullain and Guan Yu. Or if they're too fictional, the Zulus, Samurai, Greek hoplites, Roman triarii, assorted medieval knights, etc who actually dueled in single combat with spears as well as fighting in formation.
For a more modern fantasy example, Kalladin from Brandon Sanderson's "The Way of Kings" is a complete badass with a spear.
In fact, he pointedly and specifically outdoes a bunch of noble types trained to use the swords they get, despite his low birth and lowly weapon. :p
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I feel a strange disturbance in the force
Sorry, I ordered the Cowboy Breakfast this morning. Too many beans and eggs are enough to disturb the Force!
In reply to the title:
No!
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I hate all sword welding classes and think fighters should only use nerf sticks.
In large numbers a spear armed unit is pretty devastating presuming you can find relatively flat unbroken terrain but if your just wandering around with you and a...Well, there's the spear dancer feat, but it's imo more oriented towards martial polearms - such as a paladin of Shelyn with a glaive.. For now, I'm thinking of maybe making the shortspear and trident's critical modifier x3, maybe removing the trident range increment - it seems a bit too top-heavy to be throwable except as an improvised tactic.This calls for a movement for spear equality. If we're lucky, we might get a few tax-feats to allow effective spear wielders. :pThe biggest conclusion I drew is that spears are so unfairly shafted. :(Yep. Even among simple weapons, the basic shortspear is about as good as a club, and the two-handed versions aren't exactly great either.Depends upon the Trident, some are designed to be thrown (I'd give those a +1 to hit if thrown). Perhaps not as far as a Jav, but more than a club.
Also, spears should just do more damage. IRL spears where the weapon of choice for militarys, swords were normally a secondary weapon (yes, even for Japanesse armies, and the Romans used a type of spear as a "opening" attack). In a different RPG (RuneQuest), spears were often the weapon of choice, and javelins were a nasty thrown weapon (did a D10).
I figure the fixation on swords comes out of the fact that most game designers (esp. the early ones) are readers of Swords and Sorcerey fiction, and most fantasy writers are not military (or weapon) historians. Swords are what officers/nobles use (kind of like pistols in a modern army), so that's what the Hero should use.
Here's another thought for you. Why are there so many kinds of swords in RPGs, but there are so few spears? There are A LOT of different spears... most of them just lumped into "short spear" and "long spear".
I know this isn't seriously accurate combat simulation, but just go check out some LARP or just regular boffer combat. You'll see beginners wielding spears that are able to hold against the experienced sword fighters, and the experienced spear fighters end up dominating battles. Not only are spears longer than swords, but their sweet spot is at the END of the weapon, not in the middle as it is with a swung sword. Also, thrusting a spear is faster and easier to re-ready than swinging a sword, and switching ranges with a spear is easy, just slide your grip up or down the shaft. With a sword, you're stuck with one range and one range only. A spear is also capable of being wielded as a "double-weapon" with a quarterstaff like end, historically often capped off (at least in Europe). Finally, even if you do sunder the tip off of a spear, it's still a staff. Oh, then there's just the straight superiority of poking rather than slashing. Slashing leads to more flesh wounds, or injured limbs. Poking pretty much just kills. Spears punch through armor easier than a sword slices through it.
Swords are superior weapons only in the hand of a superior warrior, or in cases where close quarters restrict you from using weapons with long shafts. For a decent cinematic expression of this, think of the part in Legend of Drunken Master where Chan is dueling the old man under and around the train. A lot of the time Chan was on the defensive because the spear never allowed him within striking distance of the old man.
Remember the whole spate of "is [x] evil?" threads we had awhile back? I do not want to see this happen with "hate" threads.
YAAAY! :D
...er, I mean, 'Nay!'?
Er... Oh, whatever...
:^P
What about HAMMER SAMURAI?
What about HAMMER SAMURAI?
Do they get no armor but at least get monk armor bonuses since the bad guys Can't touch this
What about HAMMER SAMURAI?
Must..play...this...