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I think I want to use the BB as the basis for a P5 campaign. P5 would be similar to the E6 rules for 3.5. Basically it sums up to this:

1) Characters can level only to 5th. Multiclassing would be allowed.

2) After 5th characters could earn 1 additional feat per 5,000 XP.

3) The CR for the party would increase by 1 for ever 2 additional feats earned.

I have never played E6 before so I'd I miss anything?


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fjw70 wrote:

I think I want to use the BB as the basis for a P5 campaign. P5 would be similar to the E6 rules for 3.5. Basically it sums up to this:

1) Characters can level only to 5th. Multiclassing would be allowed.

2) After 5th characters could earn 1 additional feat per 5,000 XP.

3) The CR for the party would increase by 1 for ever 2 additional feats earned.

I have never played E6 before so I'd I miss anything?

There are usually capstone feats you can take after you hit the max level, maybe an iterative attack for full bab classes, or limited 3rd level spell slots for a sorceror/oracle.


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You should really go to 6th level.

At 6th level, single class characters improve all their saves. At 5th level nothing advances.
At 6th level, characters with only Full BAB classes get a second attack as a Full-Attack actions.
At 5th level, wizards and clerics get 3rd level spells, but sorcerers and oracles don't. At 6th level, they all have the same access to spell levels.


fjw70 wrote:

I think I want to use the BB as the basis for a P5 campaign. P5 would be similar to the E6 rules for 3.5. Basically it sums up to this:

1) Characters can level only to 5th. Multiclassing would be allowed.

2) After 5th characters could earn 1 additional feat per 5,000 XP.

3) The CR for the party would increase by 1 for ever 2 additional feats earned.

I have never played E6 before so I'd I miss anything?

O _ O

How have I never heard of this?!?

How have I never THOUGHT of this?!?!

...

How can I convince my group to try it out??!


Yora wrote:

You should really go to 6th level.

At 6th level, single class characters improve all their saves. At 5th level nothing advances.
At 6th level, characters with only Full BAB classes get a second attack as a Full-Attack actions.
At 5th level, wizards and clerics get 3rd level spells, but sorcerers and oracles don't. At 6th level, they all have the same access to spell levels.

Good thoughts thanks.

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There are usually capstone feats you can take after you hit the max level, maybe an iterative attack for full bab classes, or limited 3rd level spell slots for a sorceror/oracle.

I guess going to 6th wiuld take care of this, but an interesting way to get the 6th level stuff.

Sovereign Court

HawaiianWarrior wrote:


O _ O

How have I never heard of this?!?

How have I never THOUGHT of this?!?!

...

How can I convince my group to try it out??!

Here is the full wright up on E6.

Here is a link to a PDF of the rules.

E6 is an excellent way to play!

Further, if you want more help in terms of the kind of campaign framing, you can also point your players to this article which shares similar themes with E6, Calibrating your Expectations.


Actually I'm considering doing my own P5 campaign.

I was thinking of giving a capstone/master ability for each class upon reaching their first epic level

Something like fighters getting an iterative attack (they would be the only ones to have more than one attack per round...)

Also I don't see any problem having sorcerer not being able to cast 3rd level spell as long as they get more spell/day and maybe a bloodline power as capstone ability.

There's still much to be done, but I don't mind contributing to a think tank if you need.


If P5 had a point distinct from E6, it would be keeping the game simple and fast, I think. Avoiding those messy iterative attacks, AoOs and CBMs. You might not even want minor tweaks like sorcerers to exist, again for simplicity. If you want to import the full mess of 3.5/PF then you might as well E6.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Companion Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

I am also working on something like this. In this post I have presented 4 classes to use for BB that I have been developing for just such a campaign.

The Hunter is a ranger type character class focused on ranged attacks.

The Dervish is a two weapon/unarmed character type.

The Shaman is a Druid/Summoner type.

The Warlock is a Sorcerer type who does get access to 3rd level spells, but whose spell selection is very limited.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Companion Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

I've also given some thought to NPCs, crafting, and magic item creation, since they're not part of BB.

I think you could do pretty well to turn craft into a Feat, and supplement it with Master Craft as a requirement for making masterwork items.

Craft

Select one of the categories of items below. You can craft basic items of this type with materials worth half the list price for the item.

Master Craft

prerequisite: Craft

Select one category of items you have the Craft feat for. You can craft masterwork versions of that category of items.

Should be list of categories and time cost should be delineated.


fjw70 wrote:

I think I want to use the BB as the basis for a P5 campaign. P5 would be similar to the E6 rules for 3.5. Basically it sums up to this:

1) Characters can level only to 5th. Multiclassing would be allowed.

2) After 5th characters could earn 1 additional feat per 5,000 XP.

3) The CR for the party would increase by 1 for ever 2 additional feats earned.

I have never played E6 before so I'd I miss anything?

First off, thanks for bringing up this idea. I would just add that your #1 implies that you can go up to Level 5 in Fighter, then start leveling up in Wizard. Is that what you meant? Because if so, it's at tension with with how E6 works (you can ONLY have extra feats once you hit maximum level) and would shift this entire discussion.


The Rot Grub wrote:
fjw70 wrote:

I think I want to use the BB as the basis for a P5 campaign. P5 would be similar to the E6 rules for 3.5. Basically it sums up to this:

1) Characters can level only to 5th. Multiclassing would be allowed.

2) After 5th characters could earn 1 additional feat per 5,000 XP.

3) The CR for the party would increase by 1 for ever 2 additional feats earned.

I have never played E6 before so I'd I miss anything?

First off, thanks for bringing up this idea. I would just add that your #1 implies that you can go up to Level 5 in Fighter, then start leveling up in Wizard. Is that what you meant? Because if so, it's at tension with with how E6 works (you can ONLY have extra feats once you hit maximum level) and would shift this entire discussion.

No total of 5 character levels. So if you want to cast 3rd level wizards spells then you can't multiclass.


Pardon me, but what would the "P" (as in P5) stand for?


Laurefindel wrote:
Pardon me, but what would the "P" (as in P5) stand for?

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fjw70 wrote:
Laurefindel wrote:
Pardon me, but what would the "P" (as in P5) stand for?
Pathfinder

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I should have figured that one out...


Laurefindel wrote:
fjw70 wrote:
Laurefindel wrote:
Pardon me, but what would the "P" (as in P5) stand for?
Pathfinder

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I should have figured that one out...

:)


Laurefindel wrote:
fjw70 wrote:
Laurefindel wrote:
Pardon me, but what would the "P" (as in P5) stand for?
Pathfinder

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I should have figured that one out...

Must have rolled a 1 on your Knowledge skill check. :P


Laurefindel wrote:
I should have figured that one out...

I'm in the same boat as you. The initial post has too many unfamiliar abbreviations for me to figure out what the OP is talking about.

Grand Lodge

I don't think people would object if it was called E5. The 'P' part confused the crap out of me.

The 'E' in E6 isn't a 'D' for Dungeons and Dragons.

Call it P# if you must but using 'E' instead will get less confusion.


Helaman wrote:
I don't think people would object if it was called E5.

I would. I've still no idea what you're talking about.

Grand Lodge

Ambrus wrote:
Helaman wrote:
I don't think people would object if it was called E5.
I would. I've still no idea what you're talking about.

So then its fair to say you don't know about E6 then? E7 or E8?

Mok wrote:


Here is the full wright up on E6.

Here is a link to a PDF of the rules.

E6 is an excellent way to play!

Further, if you want more help in terms of the kind of campaign framing, you can also point your players to this article which shares similar themes with E6, Calibrating your Expectations.


Helaman wrote:
So then its fair to say you don't know about E6 then? E7 or E8?

Correct. I'm afraid that some minutia of RPGs escapes me occasionally. So thanks for the link and subsequent clarification. Interesting idea.


What does BB mean?


jlord wrote:

What does BB mean?

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