I need help, pretty please


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I want to make a pc with an insect/fey theme that cast spells. So you know summoning swarm, web etc... I have kind of chosen three classes (I can use all paizo classes). Summoner, sorcerer sylvan bloodline & druid. Help me compare and cobtrast to get my gimmick, but make the pc survivable and fun.


This is thematic but have you checked out the vermin animal companions from ultimate magic not sure they are optimal but you could make a gnome sylvan bloodline sorcerer with a vermin companion. The summoner you could get is make something like a bug from the outer planes and be gnome but you may want a quadreped base form and to add the extra legs evolution to make it faster and have your eidolon look like an insect.


Any of the above could do a bang up job.


Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
Any of the above could do a bang up job.

I guess my next question is, which are most survivable options? I am trying to play for fun, but I want my pc to live to get past 1st level.


gnomewizard wrote:
Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
Any of the above could do a bang up job.
I guess my next question is, which are most survivable options? I am trying to play for fun, but I want my pc to live to get past 1st level.

Druid. They have muscle (Animal companion) and they stay away from combat otherwise.

Though the others have their own means of survivability.


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The druid would definately be the most survivable. More hit points, a creepy crawly bodygaurd, and an array of spells that are very good at protection/recovery.


You can make the sorcerors survivable if you have a good con and are a gnome and depending on your build. You could make a pretty hard to defeat gnome sylvan bloodline sorcerer with toughness as your first level feat and get a good dex as well that is how most survivability is determined. druids are tough as well and get two really improtant good saves fortitude and will.

Druids also have the best will save due to needing a high wisdom if being made to cast.


doctor_wu wrote:

You can make the sorcerors survivable if you have a good con and are a gnome and depending on your build. You could make a pretty hard to defeat gnome sylvan bloodline sorcerer with toughness as your first level feat and get a good dex as well that is how most survivability is determined. druids are tough as well and get two really improtant good saves fortitude and will.

Druids also have the best will save due to needing a high wisdom if being made to cast.

how would I make the sor survivable.


gnomewizard wrote:
doctor_wu wrote:

You can make the sorcerors survivable if you have a good con and are a gnome and depending on your build. You could make a pretty hard to defeat gnome sylvan bloodline sorcerer with toughness as your first level feat and get a good dex as well that is how most survivability is determined. druids are tough as well and get two really improtant good saves fortitude and will.

Druids also have the best will save due to needing a high wisdom if being made to cast.

how would I make the sor survivable.

...he listed it out in his post.

Toughness, high Con, and high Dex.

Dark Archive

First Worlder summoner actually gets an eidolon with the fey archetype AND access to summons with fey/unicorn types (which have some pretty cool spell effects). The eidolon does take a minor dip in power (1/2 BAB and just over half hp); but it is still a very powerful class.

I'd make the eidolon a trapfinding/scouty type (with wings eventually) and focus on using your summons in combat. Feats should be the Superior Summons line (3 feats) then moonlight summons (I believe? Darkvision and blindsight). You be a high-Cha buffer for summons and the party.


gnomewizard wrote:
I want to make a pc with an insect/fey theme that cast spells. So you know summoning swarm, web etc... I have kind of chosen three classes (I can use all paizo classes). Summoner, sorcerer sylvan bloodline & druid. Help me compare and cobtrast to get my gimmick, but make the pc survivable and fun.

Is there a particular reason Witch didn't make this list? They get all the 'verminy' spells, like Web, Summon (and Vomit) Swarm, Vermin Shape, etc, can have a Verminy familiar, and as well can get access to animal interactions as per Fey thematics. A single level dip in Crossblooded Sorcerer (Fey/Pestilence) gives you a fey connection and allows you to treat Vermin as Animals for mind affecting spells, which you can load up on relevant spells through the Animal Patron.

Just an alternative I didn't know if you'd considered.

As well, regardless of which way you go, check out the Calistrian Trait 'Wasp Whisperer' from Qadira, Gateway to the East; it lets you make diplomacy/wild empathy checks to improve the attitude of hostile and unfriendly insects toward indifferent.

Liberty's Edge

gnomewizard wrote:
I want to make a pc with an insect/fey theme that cast spells. So you know summoning swarm, web etc... I have kind of chosen three classes (I can use all paizo classes). Summoner, sorcerer sylvan bloodline & druid. Help me compare and cobtrast to get my gimmick, but make the pc survivable and fun.

Gnome Fey/Sylvan Sorcerer can start with high cha and good con/dex. With such a good con and a pet you may not need toughness however it would still be a great 1st lvl feat. Beyond that, smart spell selection will be your survivability.

Gnome Druid is probably the most survivable, as others have said, due to better pet and 2 good saves with a higher will save.

I think for me it would come to down to spell selection between the 2. I havent looked myself, but if I were you I would review the spells of each class to see which one helped the insect theme more.

The Exchange

The summoner can work and it's fairly easy to design a Big Bug eidolon, but I don't know that class well enough to comment on it. A Druid is definitely the toughest of the three, but might not be what you want. I'd take a sorceror and stick with fey/insect themed spells: sleep or charm person are good fey-style 1st-level offenses, while defense-wise your best bet would be obscuring mist - particularly if your DM allows you to re-skin the spell as summoning a vast cloud of harmless but irritating midges. Mage armor and shield are more direct defenses but perhaps not as thematic for you. At 2nd level, mirror image is a good offense, while glitterdust (again, ask to re-skin it as a swarm of harmless but irritating beetles that crawl all over everything in the burst) is a nice combination offense/utility spell: you might consider levitate, unless you plan to take fly once you reach 3rd-level spells. Oh, and uncontrollable laughter, which I think you get automatically with the Fey bloodline, could be re-skinned as ants in your pants... Depends on whether your GM is okay with changes that are purely cosmetic. ;)


What about Fey/Sylvan & Verdant Crossblooded Sorcerer. Pretty green, and pretty fey... Thoughts?

Liberty's Edge

gnomewizard wrote:
What about Fey/Sylvan & Verdant Crossblooded Sorcerer. Pretty green, and pretty fey... Thoughts?

Only way I would recommend crossblooded is if you chose human as class and used the alternate favored class option of a bonus spell.


Fing Mandragoran wrote:
gnomewizard wrote:
What about Fey/Sylvan & Verdant Crossblooded Sorcerer. Pretty green, and pretty fey... Thoughts?
Only way I would recommend crossblooded is if you chose human as class and used the alternate favored class option of a bonus spell.

Yeah the more i read it and take notes the more i agree with that sentiment. I want to play a gnome. I always play a gnome, and I like the sylvan bloodline thing for the wings at 15th, but i dislike the Animal companion it is kind of nerfed and you loose Bloodline arcana and laughing touch.


The truth is i want to make a Gnome who is as Fey as possible to match a zenit miniature i saw with dragonfly wings. I need to know where to start at first level to get there

Shadow Lodge

As a sorcerer, I would choose Fey, not worry that I wouldn't get wings, and just take Fly and describe it as growing dragonfly wings.

As a summoner, I can think of two possibilities: go as a synthesist and skin your eidolon as the fey being you wish to emulate, or, go as a broodmaster and have a bunch of small insect eidolons.

One other possibility I would recommend taking a look at: becoming a Wind Oracle. Take the Haunted curse and describe it as just extreme absentmindedness. Top revelations would be Air Barrier, Invisibility, Gaseous Form, and Wings of Air. Focus on enchanting divine spells and curses: Command, Murderous Command, Calm Emotions, Enthrall, Bestow Curse, Quest, Euphoric Tranquility, Disfiguring Touch, Waves of Ecstasy... There's a lot of possibilities there.


Alchemists can get insect wings at 7th level as well,. You could play him as trying to discover his evolutionary roots through alchemy. With the preservationist archetype you can get the flavor of a fey/nature theme as well. Just another option for you.


Just out of curiosity: Is the inspiration for this Rosine from Berserk? A girl who thinks she's a fey and who commands swarms of small fairylike insect creatures...

Liberty's Edge

Honestly if I had your concerns about the Fey/Sylvan Bloodline Id just have a talk with my DM. Explain to him my character concept and how I want to tie the bloodline into it. Then ask him if you can forgo taking the pet at Sylvan one but instead keep laughing touch.

However, I can tell you Im currently playing a Halfling Fey Sorcerer. My least used ability is Laughing Touch. Im never in melee range unless I did something wrong.

The pet, even at minus 3, could be played up fairly well. Have you considered using your medium insect pet as a mount? Not for mounted combat but for travel and possibly a last line of defense for you. Could be pretty cool seeing a gnome riding a giant spider and spewing forth insect swarms etc. Of course using an insect pet as a mount would be a DM question as well.


Ganryu wrote:
Just out of curiosity: Is the inspiration for this Rosine from Berserk? A girl who thinks she's a fey and who commands swarms of small fairylike insect creatures...

no it is from the dragonfly miniature produced by zenit miniatures. In their orphans line. They are kids like the lost boys in peter pan, and in mo make great gnomes.

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